Torture – be careful what you wish for

In one of our previous threads on the use of torture by the US, Sparta said this:

Submitted on 2009/03/12 at 12:31pm


Geez….yes I have read this one as well. Let me remind you one more time, EVIDENCE is not the same as an OPINION….even the opinion of a committee headed by one of the most liberal senators in the US who is obsessed with linking the former administration with a policy of torture! If the evidence is there, where is it and why do they wait? Where are the indictments Joni??????

Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA

Well, it looks like his wish could come true. Baltasar Garzón, who is a counter-terrorism judge in Spain has started criminal proceedings in Spain against 6 senior Bush officials.  So here come the indictments.

The officials named in the case include the most senior legal minds in the Bush administration. They are: Alberto Gonzales, a former White House counsel and attorney general; David Addington, former vice-president Dick Cheney’s chief of staff; Douglas Feith, who was under-secretary of defence; William Haynes, formerly the Pentagon’s general counsel; and John Yoo and Jay Bybee, who were both senior justice department legal advisers.

Court documents say that, without their legal advice in a series of internal administration memos, “it would have been impossible to structure a legal framework that supported what happened [in Guantánamo]”.

From what I gather, the problem for the US is that they signed and ratified the 1984 UN Convention against Torture, which requires the signatory countries to “investigate allegations of torture committed on their territory or by their nationals, or extradite them to stand trial elsewhere”.

Maybe this will force the Obama administration to start proceedings in the US, or those on the list could have extradition proceedings started against them.

Oh – and last week the UK started criminal proceedings into MI5 to look into their part in the torture of Binyam Mohamed.

As we keep saying, those responsible for allow, permitting and creating the conditions in which torture took place should be held accountable for their actions.

US official admits they torture

I am both amazed and not amazed (is that possible) that Susan Crawford has gone public with the revelation that the US did torture inmates at Gitmo. Susan Crawford is the convening authority of the military commissions at Gitmo.

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Which US corporations are the naughtiest?

Project Government on Oversight (POGO) has set up a website, Federal Contractor Misconduct Database, ranking and documenting the number of misconducts by multinational corporations that have been awarded US governmental contracts.

Compiling their results from 1995, the most naughty contractor is none other than Lockheed Martin which chalked up 47 cases in all. These misconducts range from age discrimination to violating nuclear safety regulations. Other military contractors on the list includes Boeing, Northrop Grumman, Haliburton/ KBR and Raytheon. Continue reading

McCain v Obama

The second POTUS debate is going on at the moment. During the afternoon we can use this thread to post any comments on it. I wonder if Min is watching the debate, and whether she can add some initial thoughts on what is happening for those of us who cannot watch it live.

Torture R US

I thought the US did not torture?

In the debate last weekend between McCain and Obama, McCain said something that seemed to be at odds with what we have been told all along by the US (and their apologists).

McCain said:

I have opposed the president on spending, on climate change, on torture of prisoner…

Now – if the US does not torture, why is McCain opposed to it?

Either they do torture – in which case they have been lying to us.

Or they do not torture – in which case what is McCain opposed to?