Message from reb

Hello fellow human beings (and Toilet Boss)

Tony has asked the question – “WTF is going on?” And I suppose it deserves an answer.

The following is just my view, and joni (and others) may have differing opinions; neither view is perhaps universally right nor wrong, and mine is just my own personal interpretation of how I see things. I guess I owe some sort of explanation.

As most of you know, virtually one year ago (can you believe it?) Tim Dunlop threw in the towel at news.com.au with his blog site – Blogocracy. A few of us kept in contact via email, and from this early collaboration this new site “Blogocrats” was born..

The editorial content has been mostly written by me and joni with occasional guest posts from other bloggers. The debate has been lively and sometimes heated.

We have tried to be as open as possible – with anyone allowed to comment ‘without moderation’.

As you may be aware, joni and me both work full time, so we don’t really have time to review each and every comment before it is published.

Unfortunately, this has led to some occasions where bloggers have launched fairly personal attacks against other participants.

There have been calls for individuals to be banned, and in some cases this measure has been enforced.

I am sure I speak for both joni and myself when I say that I really feel uncomfortable with the idea of having to ban someone from participating, however this has been a step that some people have felt necessary to impose.

At this time I decided to open The Gutter as a no-frills, trailer-trash type of blog with no pretences about being anything intellectual or intelligent. I also wanted to maintain an “open comments’ policy.

Joni has been working on a new home to replace this site using new technology rather than the wordpress software. The new home is now working and live at http://www.blogocrats.com

I imagine joni is making some final changes before announcing “The Launch” of the new Blogocrats web site, but for all intents and purposes people can start blogging there now. You will need to register before you can submit comments.

I think one thing that joni and I have always maintained is that Blogocrats belongs to all of us, it doesn’t belong to me, or joni. The site has evolved over time, with input from many of you, and is what it is at the new home.

I imagine that the lights will soon be switched off here soon, and you’ll be able to continue blogging at the new home…

Cheers
reb

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85 Responses

  1. So, http://www.blogocrats.com becomes our new home …

    … what about Gutter Trash? Will that continue?

    … and I ask the question because it splits the team (you and joni) and polarises contributors to some extent …

  2. Gutter Trash will keep going as long as it provides me (and anyone else that wants to post topics or comment) with an avenue for expression and discussion for things that weren’t really consistent with the direction of where Blogocrats is heading.

    I prefer a blogging experience where anyone is free to comment or contribute. But that’s just me.

    I note that even my editorial submissions are now moderated and ‘screened’ before being published at the new Blogocrats site.

    Naturally contributors will be able to contribute at either or both sites. The only difference being that people will need to register first at Blogocrats.

  3. Jack the Insider had to rein in some posters as it was getting dominated by abusers, sock puppets and by a left wing clique that was communicating by Email and conspiring against others.

    He has put his foot down now as it was off putting to read the garbage being written.

    http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/jacktheinsider/index.php/theaustralian/comments/180_up_and_time_to_change_course/

  4. I have a feeling a certain swarthy moderator – let’s just call him ‘K’ for the sake of anonymity – could be got if the right offer was made; and, believe me, he’d soon sort out the riff-raff over at Jack’s place.

  5. And hey, they’re probably all on Facebook together too 🙂

  6. reb,joni
    having trouble registering over at new site. cannot type in required fields.
    help please.
    handyrab

  7. “And hey, they’re probably all on Facebook together too”

    No, it started with one that asked to swap Email addresses and it spiralled from there, it is one thing to make aquaintances outside a blog but it is completely another thing to conspire and gang up on other people.

    The ring leader goes back to the days of Matt Price and all her posts were deleted from a previous blog.

  8. Not another conspiracy Scaper, lol how many is that now?

    By the way how was your snow trip.

  9. At this time I decided to open The Gutter as a no-frills, trailer-trash type of blog with no pretences about being anything intellectual or intelligent. I also wanted to maintain an “open comments’ policy.

    Speak for yourself rebster. Without fear of contradiction I can proudly boast that I bring a certain level of class and intellect to the Gutter.

    My presence clearly brings credibility to the site.

  10. Yeh scaper, how was the snowjob?

  11. Hexx, Jack has a way of confirming these things.

    I’m down Jindabyne now, we arrived at lunch time and had a frollick in the snow at Perisher.

    I wish I had the camera out as the girls were overawed as they have never been to the snow before!

    Tomorrow will be fun.

  12. Miglo, a place to buy Cubans in Canberra?

    I’ve had quite a few drinks over the last few days and will run out by the end of the week.

    Can’t have a holiday and not drink!

  13. So why are you so stressed, have some fun. What some of us would do to be in the snow , go do some yoga and feel refreshed.

    Now i know why people report seeing an angry snowman

  14. “I can proudly boast that I bring a certain level of class and intellect to the Gutter.”

    Quite so, Migs, quite so…

  15. Only people who grew up in the snow can’t understand why other people “love” the bloody stuff …

    Brrrrrr ….

  16. Scaper, there’s a little wine bar on Northbourne Ave in the city that sells a large range of Cubans and top shelf reds.

    Naturally I don’t frequent the place.

  17. Although Miglo,

    I notice your distinct absence from the philosophy thread.

  18. TB, quite right. Don the K2s, do a little down hill before breakfast, back to the ABom for strawberry pancakes then a little crosscountry. However, as you say TB for the people who live in it, it’s mud and slush.

  19. Thanks for the heads up, Migs.

  20. Nine hits at paintball! (On me!) Lovely bruises too!

    Although I got my own back + a bit more – three hours up hill and down dale in the bush took me back forty years! Shot off 500 rounds!

    If I hadn’t been there, my daughter (now 40) would have been the eldest! … and I was 21 when she was born!

    The grandkids are still hobbling about! He he …

    15 year old asked his mum why Granda wasn’t sore – she said, “… ’cause he’s a legend, son…” – OK what she actually said was, “… don’t worry – he is…”

    Would I do it again? At $137 for half a day … only if one of my other grandson’s asked …

    Talk is the next one is go-kart racing … should be fun…

    …a-aand off to Fraser Island on Saturday morning with son and mates (3am start!) back on Tuesday – laden with fish (yeah, so says my son!)

  21. Hah! I don’t want to be a human anyway.

    I prefer to be a digital pest.

  22. “Nine hits at paintball! (On me!)”

    Um, the idea of the game is that you ‘hit’ the players on the other team, not yourself.

    “Shot off 500 rounds!’

    and you still only managed to hit yourself 9 times?

    BTW the idea of the game is that you’re supposed to shoot the other team, not yourself.

  23. TB Queensland, on August 3rd, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    One of our workers is raving on about Laser Tag. She got a go for her birthday as a present from her hubby and now can’t wait to go again.

    Boss is thinking of doing it for the Chrissy do. He always puts on something different each year.

  24. scaper…, on August 3rd, 2009 at 3:42 pm Said:

    Jack the Insider had to rein in some posters as it was getting dominated by abusers, sock puppets and by a left wing clique that was communicating by Email and conspiring against others.

    This has me intrigued as Jack doesn’t say anything about left or right wingers, but how did you find out people were sending emails to each other to gang up on others?

    Not disbelieving but genuinely curious as to how you intercepted their emails or did they boast of it?

  25. Laser Tag is fun, but the potential consequence of genuine pain involved in being hit by a Paintball (or 9) makes Paintball a far superior thrill.

    Laser beams don’t leave gigantic welts & you don’t have to run away from them like you’re in fear of your life.

  26. TB…so pleased to hear that you survived the paintball experience. What J* didn’t tell you is that son still has a large round mark on his neck 2 years later…hence the reason that I said, make sure the protective gear is fastened and tightly. But nothing could have kept you away from your grandson’s 18th birthday anyway 🙂

    At least we knew that you had home made apple pie and all the trimmings to go home to.

  27. So it’s Laser Tag for me then and I’ll leave you to your masochism.

  28. Adrian..I’m far too short to run (and escape)..it’s competitive yoga for me 🙂

  29. How do I know?

    I remember a few years ago on Matt’s blog going against the coalition supporters…I was contacted but I run with no packs so I declined.

    I will just say it had something to do with the so called ‘scandal’ and the same person/s were involved.

    By crosschecking with GM I needed to save further egg on face.

    If you look at the page I linked to at Jack’s, it might become somewhat clear.

    Someone owes me a beer…

  30. That reminds me, scaper!

    +++++++++++++++++++

    Min, right on all counts! (Daughter is now sporting a bruise about the size of a large saucer on her thigh!)

    +++++++++++++++++++

    Adrian, someone else told us about laser tag – bit too easy … inside on a flat playing field – bit like a ship I suppose – real blokes get out in the bush! 😉

    Slogging up and down the ravines was the real pain …

    … at least my grandson’s (18 & 15) now know that Battlefield 2 and Call of Duty 4 are nothing like getting down and dirty …

  31. scaper, has it ever struck you that these so called “scandals” and “conspiracies” might all just be a figment of your own imagination?

  32. Reb, has it ever struck you that I have intimate contact with certain people and have a different view on events because of this?

    I’ve got the proof but after not backing me up on that Bolt thing with Adrian you ain’t going to see it.

    I had to send that Bolt thing to James for authentication!

  33. Reb, Scaper is indeed correct. You may or may not be aware, but there is an enormous amount of organised manipulation of opinion done through weblogs. I suspect one or two members of this blog are involved and am certain that there are or were quite a lot over at Blogocracy back in the day. There are a number of clues as to who may be involved the most obvious of which is endless repetition of soundbites. eg The list of “Howard’s Lies” most of which were not. It’s not confined to the Left, Bolt and others certainly have their Righties playing the same game, not that Bolt etc are necessarily involved, in fact I’d go so far as to suggest that they (he at least) is not, but I think it’s more prevalent or at least better organised from the Left. It shits me. There’s always been an element of it in politics but the danger with blogs is that falsehoods repeated often enough can become historical “fact” which is why I take great interest in fact checking and great delight in pointing out blatant falsehoods.

  34. I saw the comment elsewhere – “I have intimate contact with certain people”

    Heavens, so do I!!!

    But only “certain people”, only those that obtain their hair colouring from a bottle.

    One of life’s lessons is the more intimate contact the better. The mayor and I have finally reached agreement.

  35. Hi James, I bet you had a good holiday.

    Boy, was I played for sucker!

    So was a lot of others.

  36. “I’ve got the proof but after not backing me up on that Bolt thing with Adrian”

    Huh?

    I am clearly too naive to comprehend what’s going on….

  37. C’mon James, Howard opened his mouth it was a lie. Hindsight, as the SBS documentary illustrates, shows just about everything of Howard’s was a lie or manipulation for power. Nearly everything he did and said was a deception couched for winning elections. It was the very nature of the man going back to when he first entered politics. For a person who touts as being a champion of honesty James you certainly supported the most dishonest leader this country has ever had.

    ————————————-
    scaper…, on August 3rd, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    First if I recall correctly I apologised on more than one occasion over the PP thing and sending confirmation to James over Bolt proves nothing.

    So yet again I am sorry for wrongly calling you up on the PP rock thing. And I’ll apologise again if that makes you feel better.

    Instead of a beer I’ll buy you a bottle of good Scotch scaper if you can show me where this actual information is that proves a “left wing clique that was communicating by Email and conspiring against others”, as I’ve gone through Jacks piece and replies and can’t find any page you’ve linked to or any mention of this.

    If you look at the page I linked to at Jack’s, it might become somewhat clear.

    I’ve got the proof but after not backing me up on that Bolt thing with Adrian you ain’t going to see it.

    That has to be the lamest cop out I’ve ever read anywhere, really. If you have proof you have it, if you don’t you don’t. Something I was absolutely wrong on in the past and apologised for on more than one occasion should not alter whether you can prove something unrelated now.

    ————————————-
    My own conspiracy theory.

    Telling that you don’t hear from James for ages and then scaper’s asked about an accusation he’s made and guess who pops up as a back stop?

    As to manipulation of weblogs, what a laugh James. Here you are going on about being honest and taking delight in pointing out falsehoods, yet you make accusations without one bit of evidence except for “clues”. And who do you point to in the deception, not the Liberal party who were named in the press as carrying out web manipulation during the last election (and continue to over at The Punch as I linked to the other day) but you have a go at those accusing Howard of lies.

    Don’t make yourself out as holier than thou James, you are not.

  38. No one here owes me a beer.

    The person that does stuck his neck out on a very well constructed false allegation that could have cost him his job!

    As far as the Bolt thing goes…well, it was alleged that Bolt was made aware of what was happening over at PP, he did not have a clue until I made him aware and I sent the proof to this site’s Email for confirmation but none was forthcoming.

    I have proof to back up what I have put forward but will not copy and paste it here.

  39. Hi Guys

    Yes I am still here and still loyal to Blogocrats, have just been so very very busy. Did not get chopped into bits by Samuri Sword man thank God ( or not God for those who don’t believe). I will follow onto the new website that is for sure.

    As for conspiracy theories I think both sides are to blame equally. The Left has its loonies and so does the right. For the right look no further than the religious nutters in the south of the US. Problem is when people align themselves with this type of nonsense they cannot see reality and instead align themlseves with everything Right or Left as though the other side is some demon out to destroy us all.

    Most of our capitalist traits were instigated by the right of politicas and most of our social traits were instigated by the left. As a result I think that in Australia we have a very good mix which results in a much better society than many other countries. We have whingers from the Right and the Left but overall our capitalist democracy with social policies for all is the correct way to keep balance.

    I refuse to align myself with either side, however I would call myself more centre left as I believe in a social responsibility to our planet and its inhabitants.

    As all of you know I have always been respectful of others and even used the correct names for our politicians of both sides of the political persuasion. I was raised to debate issues, stand up for my principles and always respect others who have a different opinion.

    Seems that Jack is now realising the moral thunder box that is our standards regarding treatment of others and has decided to stop the crap. I am all for that.

    I stopped watching Australian Idol as soon a Kyle became a judge. I see no point in on air criticism of contestants and degradation. Maybe the public are turning as well, becuase the highest rating show has been Master Chef where the judges were positive while giving constructive criticism.

    Maybe there is hope yet for manners and respect to return to our society.

  40. By the way Joni, when it all switches over I would like to post a blog on a weekly basis if that is OK. I think things should be back to normal by the end of this month. While I seem to lack the time at the moment to read and respond to most postings. I would like to make a weekly contribution to assist in keeping blogocrats going by creating debate, rather than expect Joni and Reb to post almost all of the comments. Maybe an experience I had during the week ( have a wonderful telstra story to tell from my move, but dont get me started now) or Samuri man incident, or the sea eagle incident where my chooks were under attack from above.

  41. I have proof to back up what I have put forward but will not copy and paste it here.

    But that is not what you stated earlier. You stated this:

    If you look at the page I linked to at Jack’s, it might become somewhat clear

    .Sorry I cannot find that link and what makes it somewhat clear. Am I missing something or have I misunderstood what you are getting at or saying, if so I’m sorry?

    Can you please clear me up on this matter and the statement you made, that is all I have asked for from the start. As I opened with I’m not accusing you of anything but am genuinely curious on this matter and that groups using email are ganging together to attack a blogger or commentator. How would you know they are doing that unless you can intercept private email accounts or they confessed to it, if the later where are the confessions, which would be public?

  42. Good stuff shaneinqld and I’ve always thought of you as fair.

  43. Good point, Scaper. In think the best idea is to shut down the comments thread on a blog after say 48 hours. This can be done automatically. It may be a very good solution. “By the way, Scaper thanks for your support. ”

    Can you work it out now?

    Hi Ho, it’s off to the snow I go.

  44. Adrian, you really are a dill. It’s well documented that I have been overseas for the last 5 weeks and returned on Sunday. Scaper has my email address from when Blogocracy closed down and we have communicated perhaps a dozen times since then, mostly regarding GSC. I pursued him for details, almost to the point of stalking, regarding “The Scandal” and he did provide me with proof regarding the Pure Poison stuff, which is unrelated. In this particular discussion, I noticed Scaper mentioned my name so I simply confirmed what he said then added my own explanatory note and opinion. I have said before that I find the conduct of the Young Liberals equally if not more distasteful in this regard. Adrian, I have lied many times in my life, usually about the size of things (fish I mean) and football stats. I have never lied on this or any other blog and I challenge you to show where I have. You, on the other hand, have frequently perpetuated falsehoods and have been picked up on them at the time…….Bottom of the Harbour is but one example.

  45. Hi Shane,

    You would be very welcome to submit posts for discussion at the new place…

    cheers
    reb

  46. Ha ha that’s funny – work full time eh? More like sitting on your arse getting paid to monitor this blog! Someone needs to have a chat to your boss !

  47. Good old davo.

    Always dependable for an intelligent contribution.

    🙄

  48. Davo, I’m his boss. Take it up with me.

  49. Wow and you’re willing to admit it ! Does YOUR boss know how much company time is being wasted there? Maybe you sit there complaining about his lack of productivity like he does about his workers hahaha !

  50. davo,

    Miglo is the CEO and the Chairman of the Board of Directors.

    There is no higher boss.

    The buck stops with the duck.

  51. How embarrassing

  52. Aha..the truth revealed. When the duck quacks, we jump (according to ability).

  53. I thought of Miglo a great deal when travelling through the south of France. I can only suggest he never visits that region.

  54. James, you were thinking of Miglo ‘a great deal’ while you were on your honeymoon????

  55. Have I been away that long that James got married and went on a honeymoon ?

  56. Davo, reb does an outstanding job and the company is lucky to have him. Sure, he spends a few minutes here and there on personal matters but he has days where he puts in 15 hours of hard yards.

    If you have a good employee you do what it takes to keep hin or her.

    I don’t want to lose such a highly skilled and credentialed employee like reb, so I toss him a bit of slack.

  57. James, you were thinking of Miglo ‘a great deal’ while you were on your honeymoon????

    Min, he clearly needed my advice.

  58. Shane..wonderful to see Riley again! Am very much looking forward to reading your input re Telstra etc.

  59. Miglo..or inspiration? 🙂

  60. “Miglo is the CEO and the Chairman of the Board of Directors.”

    Which company?
    N’

  61. Nas’..you’ve decided to grow a beard over the weekend.

  62. Nas,

    I was missing that bear the other one is way too bearish 🙂

  63. James of North Melbourne, on August 4th, 2009 at 9:20 am

    Wow James I’m supposedly a dill for not being able to work all that out when the only thing I knew was that you were overseas for a while.

    I tell you what instead of calling people dills because they can’t read your mind or know what you do covertly between other bloggers in the background, how about giving us a twitter like run down every hour or so?

    How have I lied about Bottom of the Harbour?

    And that’s a favourite tactic of yours accusing others of being liars and I’m not the only one you have done this to.

    And what about your misdirection on Howard not lying and it being proved he didn’t? If you mean vindicated by stacked enquiries Howard set up then you are more an ideological fool than I ever thought you were.

    ————————–
    scaper, still waiting for the link you stated existed?

  64. Not sure what the ‘bottom of the harbour’ discussion entailed but it was Howard and his retrospective laws regarding it that finally made me quit the Liberal Party in the early 80s after holding office in both it and the Young Libs in the previous years.

    (I was a public servant at the time and the BOTH scheme didn’t affect me in any way. I had grown to really dislike Howard even then and I found the idea of retrospective laws to be a real worry and still do.)

  65. No, Adrian you are a dill for implying that I had generally gone missing and only popped back up to support something Scaper had written, the implication being that he had summoned me. You know, the kind of stuff of which we have all criticised in the Opposition Leader.

    You held Howard responsible for the Bottom of the Harbour stuff.

    And if you read my post, it was not so much a judgement on Howard’s honesty or otherwise, but an example of an indicator of a left wing plant. And furthermore, I have never branded you a liar without substantiation, that is, good evidence.

  66. [blockquote]”The Taxation (Unpaid Company Tax) Assessment Act 1982 went further, allowing for the recovery of tax avoided under bottom of the harbour tax schemes between 1 January 1972 and 4 December 1980. The retrospectivity in this act was even more controversial than making the avoidance a crime.

    Treasurer John Howard said the normal reluctance against retrospectivity was “tempered by the competing consideration of overall perceptions as to the equity and fairness of our taxation system and the distribution of the tax burden.” (House, 23 September 1982). Senator Don Chipp thought the purpose noble but was strongly against retrospectivity, saying “I do not trust politicians to legislate retrospectively. One of the few protections that the ordinary citizen has is that he knows the law.” (Senate, 19 November 1982).”[/blockquote]

    Howard was hypocrite even then. “..fairness of our taxation system and the distribution of the tax burden..” Packer et al must have been quaking in the Guccis.

  67. Gee,deductive reasoning could work it out!

    Shame that Jack had to wipe over forty comments off his last thread because of the implications due to legal issues.

    Came a gutsa today and sprained my thumb…oh well.

    I’ll be at the pub in Woollamia for lunch on Sunday…

  68. “you’ve decided to grow a beard over the weekend.”

    nah min., it’s just a side effect of changing my beer.

    “I was missing that bear the other one is way too bearish”

    Either way Huh, I shall remain bearish on the economy for a few years yet.

    N’

  69. …I suspect one or two members of this blog are involved and am certain that there are or were quite a lot over at Blogocracy back in the day.

    Why would people bother?, Could it be more the right wing News Ltd, rather than blog sites that are the problem? News Ltd blogs, particularly the sites of Bolt, Blair, Akerman and Albrechtsen, are well known for controlling and censoring comments.

    Tim Blair was (on his previous blog) was known for geeing up his attack dogs to descend upon the blogs of his ideological opponents.

    …Reb, has it ever struck you that I have intimate contact with certain people and have a different view on events because of this?…

    Scaper, you have an opinion because of what is told to you by others, but how do we know that it is the truth? If you don’t back up your statements with evidence, none of us will know whether your opinion is being manipulated or that you are not trying to manipulate ours.

    I have not found Adrian to lie and I resent the ongoing attacks upon his integrity and honesty, it is poor form IMO.

  70. The personal attacks did sometimes get nasty and they left a bad impression of blogocrats.

    reb, I understand what you and joni were trying to achieve and kudos for trying to remain, in the words of tony abbott ‘pure of heart blog in all things’! I’m sorry that blogocrats caused so much stress, concern and disappointment for you (even WCP have feelings!). Here’s to better consideration from all of us.

    As long as we have the pleasure of reb and joni’s ongoing contributions, I am happy. I look forward to the posts to come from the new authors too, the more the merrier (and it eases the workload of reb/joni).

    I might add that I would like to see tom back here, I’m not aware of any other bannings, although a few months ago I might have suggested some more! Lets begin again.

  71. Which company?

    Miglo Munitions.

  72. Daphon, on August 4th, 2009 at 6:52 pm Said:

    Not sure what the ‘bottom of the harbour’ discussion entailed but it was Howard and his retrospective laws regarding it that finally made me quit the Liberal Party in the early 80s after holding office in both it and the Young Libs in the previous years.

    (I was a public servant at the time and the BOTH scheme didn’t affect me in any way. I had grown to really dislike Howard even then and I found the idea of retrospective laws to be a real worry and still do.)

    Daphon, I despised Howard from the first time I ever saw his *weasel face and heard his weasel words. Nothing he has said or done since has shaken my belief that he is one of the nastiest, most spiteful and mean spirited people ever to stalk the corridors of parliament house.

    I must say I’m confuzzled with all the secret squirrel stuff, re email and other conspiracies in various places. Do all the conspirators wear steeple hats, black coats and carry round bombs? Bit Biggles for me. I feel like good old Ginger will pop up shortly with a hearty “What ho!” and an asinine laugh.

    I’m in awe of all the hard work that well known WCP Baron reb of Rebotopia and joni have put into this blog and I’ve enjoyed the, at times, “very spirited” discussions some commenters have had. I’ve learned a lot and had a lot of laughs, too. There you have it; educational and humourous, too. It doesn’t get much better than this, folks!

    * with apologies to weasels, who apparently are the salt of the earth and have just had a very bad press.

  73. Jane,

    Or as Homer would say:

    “Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It’s what separates us from the animals … except the weasel.”

  74. Jane, did you happen to notice that the Power has been turned on?

  75. Oh boy, if Adrian wants to know what and why, he knows where I will be on Sunday.

  76. Ah Biggles, now THAT was literature!

  77. Miglo, on August 4th, 2009 at 10:19 pm Said:

    Jane, did you happen to notice that the Power has been turned on?

    I certainly did, migs. And was happy to revel in the crestfallen faces at Skilled. I didn’t go to the match, so can only assume that I must be a jinx, because I fronted to the showdown and look what happened!!!!!

    Lol, Tony.

    James, I thought Biggles would bring back fond memories to a young lad.

  78. scaper…, on August 4th, 2009 at 10:44 pm Said:

    Oh boy, if Adrian wants to know what and why, he knows where I will be on Sunday.

    Again another cop out. If you couldn’t back up your statement without resorting to secret squirrel stuff and making people go out of their way to meet you, which I will do if you pay for it all including my time off from work, then why make the statement or insinuation of that type in the first place.

    I believe what you state is true as you have proven me wrong in an accusation of dishonesty against you previously so I’m making this enquiry out of curiosity. But if something is that sensitive that it can’t be detailed publicly, especially on an open blog, then don’t mention it at all in the first place. I’m sure Defence would not have been happy if I went around telling people about ‘A’, but sorry can’t the details because it’s secret.

  79. Secret squirrel of the highest order, has a personal network of power and influence with all and sundry and gets the ‘inside info’ from the people who matter.

    Can’t say anything though, but it’s enough that he knows.

  80. “but it’s enough that he knows.”

    LOL!

    But why does he have to keep reminding us that “he knows?”

    I’d rather not know.

  81. Come on guys (ladies), he has described an attempt by a left wing clique (not that this sort of thing is confined to the left by any stretch) to lure him in to a campaign of which he refused to be a part. These campaigns are not new (see Pure Poison) and it’s not something which requires proof, it being a first hand account of a personal experience. I wish Scaper would be less cryptic at times but FFS, why does anyone with a dissenting viewpoint get so hounded all the time?

  82. Where is anyone being hounded?

    That’s just an hilarious suggestion.

    We’re the ones that are being led to believe that there’s some entire email conspiracy thing going on, but no one can prove anything because it’s all top secret, but we’re supposed to believe it anyway.

    I mean seriously, if that’s what’s going on, frankly I’d rather not know about it.

    I couldn’t care less. But if there are those that want to buy into it all, then they are perfectly entitled to, just don’t expect me to join the bandwagon of conspiracy theorists.

  83. “I might add that I would like to see tom back here.”

    I second that.

  84. “We’re the ones that are being led to believe that there’s some entire email conspiracy thing going on, but no one can prove anything because it’s all top secret, but we’re supposed to believe it anyway.”

    Sounds like a load of bunkum to me.

    Sometimes I feel like I need an alien language translation device on this blog

    🙂
    N’

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