Time out Tuesday

Hello and Good afternoon.

It’s reb here. Well it’s only Tuesday and already we’ve had enough excitement to last the whole week. There’s been tempers, tantrums, tears, accusations flying left and right, doors slamming and that was just at Parliament house.

It was a hotbed of activity here on the blog yesterday, so much so that I forgot to open the magazine shop.

I doubt I would’ve had any customers anyway.

So here’s a little teensy weensy time-out thread for those that want to talk about anything other than ute-gate. You know, like your favourite type of soup…

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  1. Was going to save this for midweek, but given that you have a time out.

    All good things must come to an end and hubby finishes at the desal on Thursday. Originally he was retrenched end of April but was asked back for the shutdown. It’s a bit of a hard task trying to find work when you’re 61yrs old.

  2. By the way, if anyone’s interested Victor has written about our trip to Melbourne with pics of food and write ups about the restaurants:

    http://foodtrail.wordpress.com/

  3. That’s a bummer min… hope hubby finds work soon.

  4. That’s a bit of sad news Min. But you know, one door closes another opens…

  5. Pea and ham.

  6. I like Pumpkin soup best reb.

    Sorry to hear that bad news Min.

  7. Sorry to hear that, Min.

  8. Damn Min. Hopefully you guys won’t be kept out of work for too long (unless you plan on retiring that is…)

  9. Cream of Mushroom.

  10. Meatball soup.

  11. Well, you just have to take it as it comes. Originally Jeff was retrenched end of April but then was asked back for the shutdown. There was some hoho…you’re just lying ag’in.

    Yes indeed Reb I did note the most gorgeous Victor’s blog..will post when I can.

  12. Will mention it to No1 son, Min (he has clients in the Northern Rivers area) – best wishes to J…

  13. Ben..absolutely no chance of us being able to retire. I am a disabled person being hearing impaired and so I have no money. We cashed in all of hubby’s super in order to 1/4 buy this house. Hubby is also a disabled person re polio which he contracted in ’48.

  14. Minestrone “built” on tomato (Big Red of course)… what am I writing?

    Hey, did I tell you its my birthday six days from now? (I’m expecting something special in the post, sreb!)

  15. Speaking of Soup,

    Victor has posted Ross Sharp’s recipe for his famous mushroom soup over at the Foodtrail…

  16. Chicken & mushroom

  17. (I’m expecting something special in the post, sreb!)

    A cafiter?

  18. TB

    (I’m expecting something special in the post, sreb!)

    Be careful what you wish for TB, reb’s being trying to offload that Country CD for about 1/2 a million blog site hits now 😉

  19. I’m partial to leek and potato, but I agree with joni, mushroom is good.

  20. Min,

    My first impression was to colour the thread with my language on how bad I feel for your situation, but my swearing would belie the impression my chiselled good looks otherwise make 😉

    Seriously, if there is anyway a code-monkey on the Central Coast can help out – feel free to drop me a line.

  21. Oh, that’s true Dave55

    I still (unbelievably) have that rare and highly sought after “Stars of Country” CD….

  22. That reminds me, I better load up the crockpot!

    I’ve got try harder to fulfil my reputation as a chauvinist here…should have kicked the wife out of bed early this morning to load it!

  23. TB: I HAVE YOUR BIRTHDAY WRITTEN IN BOLD FOR THE 29TH ON THE CALENDAR. Your 62nd I believe.

    And do you have a bank account where we can send donations?

  24. Ben..your chiselled good looks get you everywhere. But mind you my observation that scaper was Lovely Legs on Tim’s blog is yet to be challenged (insider information).

  25. Apparently the Iranian regime is heavily filtering Internet traffic – far more effectively than China.

    And note:

    Internet censoring in Iran was developed with the initial justification of blocking online pornography, among other material considered offensive by the regime, according to those who have studied the country’s censoring.

    Sounds a little familiar…

  26. US Senator Chris Dodd now says “civil unions” aren’t good enough and full marriage equality for gays is fair and right. Speaking of those gay couples his family knows who are married under Connecticut State law:

    …these couples are married simply because they love each other and want to build a life together. … The things that make those families different from their own pale in comparison to the commitments that bind those couples together.

    And, really, that’s what marriage should be. It’s about rights and responsibilities and, most of all, love.

  27. Min, best of luck with the financial situation and job searches. Hope something good comes your way!

  28. Oops, forgot link to Senator Chris Dodd’s blog post.

  29. Sounds a little familiar…

    Let’s hope Sen Conroy hasn’t been on any study tours to Tehran. 😉

  30. Mum’s chicken soup – so thick you could nearly eat it with a fork and guaranteed to cure any illness! (well almost)

  31. We’re going to an invite only clearance sale tonight.

    It’s a supplier’s invoice + $1 sale so we’re in for a few bargains…in fact I’ll be taking one of the utes because the car is not big enough to hold the stuff I plan to buy.

  32. A ute? A UTE!!!!

    Don’t you know the trouble they cause?

  33. Better not be rusty scaper – you know how much trouble a rusty ute can get you into!

  34. I’ve got nothing to hide, I paid market value for the vehicle off Big John so I owe him no favours…yet!

  35. Absolutely honest, I’m buying a ute soon.

  36. Paint it green and call it the ‘Echo Mobil’.

  37. That sux min. Sorry to hear that.

  38. RIP Tom

  39. Tom will be back, it is like a kid running away from home…been there, done that.

  40. READ ALL ABOUT IT AT …

    TOM-O-GATE..!!!

  41. Yeah, I dunno scaper.

    I hope you’re correct but I suspect Tom may rather eat a shitsandwichwithsauce than go back on his letter of departure.

  42. Hey, remember how bad “Twilight” (the movie) turned out. Looks like someone mixed it with Buffy episode clips to highlight how creepy the main “love interest” was. Worth the watch if you had to sit through the travesty of a vampire film like I did…

  43. We’ll see…somewhere amongst his stoney conviction is a thread of humility.

  44. Min, on June 23rd, 2009 at 2:08 pm Said:

    Thanks, Min, obviously the only one around here who cares …

    My daughter has bought me a copy of The Holy Qu’ran to go with my Gideon’s, Holy Bible …

    … just need a copy of the Jewish, Torah although it is basically the Old Testament (maybe the Talmud – Jewish Laws)

  45. TB, got yourself a Dianetics manual to go with them? 😉

  46. B.Tolputt, on June 23rd, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    LOL! No, but I’ve got a couple of L. R. Hubbards science fiction books on the shelves do they count?

  47. TB, quite likely. You know something funny, aside from his “Mission Earth” series – I never really liked much of his stuff. Which goes to show you don’t even need to be a good fiction writer to sucker in Hollywood celebrities and the like 😀

  48. As I said in the email Min, that is terrible news. My issues seem trivial in comparison.

    The news stays bad for Blogocrats: I will be away until the weekend and I can sense a deep loss will be felt by all.

    Jedda and I have a little business to attend to in Wodonga (and I might take a wee trip to the wine region while I’m there).

  49. Widow of Murdered Fly Seeks White House Apology, Shit

    WASHINGTON — The widow of the housefly murdered by Barack Obama during a recent CNBC television interview announced this morning that she would be filing a wrongful death suit against the President in federal district court. The plaintiff brief — citing pain, suffering and loss of income — seeks a formal apology and compensatory damages, including an unspecified quantity of shit.

    “Bob was a wonderful husband and provider,” said the widow, Mrs. Vivian Vvzzvzwwzzz, wiping tears from her compound eyes. “Even though he was always busy at the Rose Garden turd pile, he always flew home in time to tuck in our maggots.”. . . .

  50. Gee, I loved Twilight. I think it’s a females movie though. Most men I know didn’t enjoy it, because they couldn’t see the sensuality factor.

    Just thought I’d drop in and say hi to everyone. I started a new job yesterday, after 3 months AND 12 interviews. I was starting to think there was something wrong with me.

    Sorry about your hubby Min, things are tough out there.

  51. Hello Angel. Nice to see you here again. You return just as I’m about to take a 5 day break.

    Curse your bad luck.

  52. BTW, the Obama administration has finally decided that waterboarding is a prosecutable offence – but only if it’s a demo at an anti-torture rally.

    Satirists would be hard pressed to make this up. (And try some of the comments too…)

  53. I didn’t think you’d be awake. It’s after 9. Have a nice break.

  54. Thanks Lotharsson. Wow, these people really are not happy with Teh One, are they?

    Who is this person in the Whitehouse and what happened to the Barack Obama that was running to become POTUS?

    im getting to the point,i cant stand listening to him,like chimpie…different reasons same puke response

  55. This is for you Min, as we are all thinking of you. Most Blogocrtas won’t like it, but I know you will.

  56. Meanwhile the UK police have filmed themselves unlawfully (IIRC under UK law) failing to identify themselves when asked by a member of the public, and arresting the questioner and her colleagues, one of whom was attempting to photograph the officer. The charges were assault (!) and obstruction, which were later dropped.

    The UK police seem to be following some of the spirit of the US police in aggressively monitoring – some would argue intimidating – lawful protests.

    The film is now being used in an official complaint. One wonders what would have happened if the police surveillance footage was not available.

  57. Not good Lotharsson. It’s a pity they shaded out the faces of the cops.

  58. Wow, these people really are not happy with Teh One, are they?

    No, they’re not. And for fairly understandable reasons, related in part to the points made by Joe Galloway at McClatchy (one of the very few news organisations that called bulls**t on Bush at the time), or Michael Doyle at the same.

    If you think the FireDogLake commenters don’t like him now, you should try visiting Corrente, where most were very unhappy with him in the first place.

  59. Lotharson

    Remember that I was asked my name and purpose of being at a rally, and the organisations I was associated with when leaving the climate change rally in Sydney. I think that we need to have a list of our rights to carry and produce to the police when confronted by them at rallies.

  60. It’s a pity they shaded out the faces of the cops.

    I imagine that’s only for the news story. The police integrity commission case would (presumably) have the full unedited video.

  61. Remember that I was asked my name and purpose of being at a rally, and the organisations I was associated with when leaving the climate change rally in Sydney.

    Ouch. What did you say?

    I think that we need to have a list of our rights to carry and produce to the police when confronted by them at rallies.

    Sounds like a really good idea.

    And I think this FitWatch group is right – someone has to watch the watchers too. (Think about that guy tasered whilst walking away from police in Oxford(?) St recently – without the camera, what would have happened? Or Rodney King? Slightly different circumstances, but similar principle seems to apply.)

  62. Thanks for the link, lotharsson. Called my shot, too, though I missed The One caving to the banksters with TARP and the accompanying and subsequent looting of two trillio or so.

  63. No problem, lambert. Been checking out Corrente (but IIRC not commenting there) for a few years now.

  64. Greenwald notes that columnist Bob Herbert has been keen on Obama, but is not keen on what he’s been doing (and not doing) these days.

  65. Thank you Migs (a bit late given that you’re having time off). But as a payback..

  66. It’s official……..Fielding is after the anti-AGW vote.

    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25683682-5019059,00.html

  67. Wow, if Fielding’s quoted correctly he agrees with claims that “global temperature isn’t rising”, which avoids the (more easy-to-spin) question of whether/to what extent anthropogenic influences have contributed.

    That’s a pretty hard position to support.

  68. Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young introduces gay marriage bill

    Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young introduced her private member’s Bill, proposing to grant gay couples equal marriage rights, into the Upper House on Wednesday.

    The Bill seeks to remove all discrimination based on sexuality and gender from the Marriage Act.

    It will also allow same-sex marriages legalised abroad to be recognised in Australia.

  69. It could be just my selective memory, but, apart from Bill Clinton, it always seem to be Republican politicians and Protestant preachers that are caught out in these extra-curricular sexual activities be it tapping a foot in an airport toilet stall, having it off with juniors in the senate or holidaying with a mistress.

    Listening to this governor on the radio this morning spouting God and the Bible in his defence was truly sickening. When are Americans going to wake up the fact of their manipulation by ‘God-fearing’ politicians and pastors.

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/awol-governor-admits-affair-20090625-cx2r.html

  70. Thank God amongst all the broo ha over “Utegate” some things carry on regardless………….

    I noticed in yesterday’s Sydney Morning Herald that the exclusive Sydney private school Cranbook was looking at finally filling its vacant paid position of School Rowing Coach.

    Thank God for the economic stimulus I say !

  71. It’s official……..Fielding is after the anti-AGW vote.
    Toilethound, on June 24th, 2009 at 7:26 pm Said:

    It’s the only thing that he can latch onto that gives him some “product differentiation” with Victorian voters.

    Otherwise he’s just another senator to them with nothing really to hang his hat on.

  72. Daphon,

    There are dozens of examples of spectacular hypocrisy in action. Newt Gingrich was having a (long-running?) affair outside of his marriage when he led the charge to impeach Clinton for extra-curricular activities. Now he turns up on TV a lot apparently a leading light of the GOP. Several GOP politicians who strongly campaign against gay rights have been caught with someone who doesn’t have the “correct” genitals for them to be playing with. And a number of officials who have campaigned strongly for various types of child protection laws have been caught in compromising situations with underage people.

    IIRC it’s mostly Republicans – and high profile preachers – in these situations, but there are a few Democrats. Even then, Democrats typically aren’t running on a platform of legislating “family values”.

    Listening to this governor on the radio this morning spouting God and the Bible in his defence was truly sickening. When are Americans going to wake up the fact of their manipulation by ‘God-fearing’ politicians and pastors.

    There have been a number of people analyse this phenomenon (IIRC including at Orcinus?), some in terms of “authoritarian followers“. “Evangelicals”, as the target segment of the population is known to politicians, generally aren’t put off by rank hypocrisy and abject failure to live up to the values that you want to legislate – as long as you publicly call on God for forgiveness etc. Apparently this makes you more moral and upstanding than someone who doesn’t engage in the offending behaviour in the first place – so they’ll keep voting for/following you. There’s almost nothing the leaders could do that would lead followers to abandon them in droves.

  73. I’m with you, Walrus, ‘Utegate’ is turning me off the ‘Net. I’ve reached saturation point.

    I can’t believe the amount of words expended on it. What a pity people (politicians, the public and MSM) couldn’t put half the energy into an abomination such as this:

    http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/man-dies-in-50-degree-heat-during-inhumane-treatment-20090613-c6gx.html

  74. Daphon, on June 25th, 2009 at 11:13 am Said:

    Yeh…………!

    Let’s hope the Company gets its arse sued and the 2 guards get charged with manslaughter.

    Simply appalling……………..!

  75. …it always seem to be Republican politicians and Protestant preachers that are caught out in these extra-curricular sexual activities…

    Fox News can help you with that unfair and unbalanced perception 😉

    And IIRC this is not the first time they’ve done that.

  76. Here’s a link to Sen Fielding’s (‘his’ scientists’, anyway) “Assessment of Minister Wong’s Written Reply”.

    (Via Fielding’s blog.)

  77. Tony, on June 25th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    Quite an interesting read. I’d also be interested in the science of ‘jobs’; it’s the bit of the sciences that keeps turning up as a ‘could’ but gets very little treatment in, arguably, lop-sided accounts which draw upon it like a precautionary mantra; and good scientists seem to eschew the precautionary doctrine; a bet each way when it suits?

  78. Tony,

    I see they’ve gone straight for the “no warming after 1998” talking point. That instantly undercuts their credibility.

    I very much doubt they understood what the government response said about “natural variability” given their response to it.

    Ironic quote:

    …the government is making the common error of failing to distinguish between the occurrence of warming and the identification of its cause…

    Er, paging Senator Fielding. Apparently your guys think warming is occurring 😉 And they’re even more clear about that later in the doc. Perhaps you might care to revise your statement denying that?

    5.2 No argument is presented in Question 1. Rather a simple question and its supplementary are asked.

    Hmmm, nitpicking disingenuousness – not a good look. Of course there is an argument intended to sit behind Q1…

    Global warming between the last glacial maximum and the Holocene varied according to region.

    Er, no. The impact of global warming may have varied by region, but by definition global warming is measured using… how to put this gently … a global, not a regional metric. OK, maybe that’s nitpicking 😉

    They argue that Mann’s hockey stick is discredited, completely ignoring that Mann published his data, corrections were made, and the results were largely the same as the “discredited” version. Worse still, they throw out this data point as if discrediting it undermines the case, when it clearly does not. This also undercuts their credibility.

    They throw in UHI (Urban Heat Island effect) without pointing out that its magnitude has been studied and corrected for.

    They seem to be primarily attacking CO2 as a source of radiative forcing by attacking Hansen’s 20-year old research – which rather tends to ignore a whole bunch of subsequent research…

  79. Legion, on June 25th, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    N.B. I say lop-sided because politics is, arguably, about who gets what, when, why, and how; the ‘hard science’ is only part of ‘the debate’; ‘what to do’ and ‘what can be done’ and ‘who should do it’ and ‘when’ is intimately bound up with anthropogenic activity; and the ‘economic prescriptions’ of/for policy are multi-faceted, even when it comes to the possible interfaces between ‘hard science’ and ‘soft science’.

  80. Lotharsson,

    Er, paging Senator Fielding. Apparently your guys think warming is occurring And they’re even more clear about that later in the doc. Perhaps you might care to revise your statement denying that?

    Perhaps you could clarify what it is you say they are denying; it can’t be that warming has occurred, given their statements like this one:

    Scientists have known for more than one hundred years that earth’s climate has warmed since the depth of the Little Ice Age during the 17th century. Indeed, the climate system had already undergone considerable warming before the establishment of a global network of observing stations in the late 19th century, which first allowed for the systematic monitoring of near-surface air temperature.

    The key questions are not whether the climate system has warmed during the 20th century, but rather (i) whether the warming terminated in 1998 (Question 1); (iii) whether the warming was unusual in rate and magnitude (Question 2); and (ii) the degree to which the warming might have been caused by human carbon dioxide emissions (Questions 2 and 3). These questions are those that were posed by Senator Fielding, and they remain unanswered by the government.

  81. I’ wondering about Mr Grech’s hospitalisation. It seems to have come about as a direct result of pressure he’s been under. My theory? If you don’t have anything to hide you have nothing to be afraid of – then again, we can all react in different ways – his reaction nonetheless looks suspiciously like and adverse reaction to the truth being exposed. Or is his condition unrelated to the stress he’s been under?

  82. oops, wrong thread

  83. The other half of Fielding’s piece, and not necessarily the least ‘driver’ of his thinking on the ‘science’…

    I have no doubt that we must wait until Copenhagen.

    Any move by Australia to act before the big polluters and economies would be committing economic suicide.

    Thousand of Australian jobs could be lost, electricity prices could sky rocket. All for nothing if the big economies do nothing.

  84. Lotharsson, on June 25th, 2009 at 1:20 pm Said:
    “I very much doubt they understood what the government response said about “natural variability” given their response to it.”

    The way I understood the government response about natural variability is that there are yet to be identified, or quantified, natural forces that can overwhelm those driving AGW. But they are only short term in nature even though they are as yet identified.

  85. Wow, everywhere I go it’s the same topic!

    Had to connect to the water meter on a vacant block this morning because I need to get the pool shell in before the house is built due to access.

    Got bitten by a Redback spider which is unusual for this time of year…I reckon he pumped his whole poison sack into me as my knee is swollen and I’ve got a poison taste in the back of my throat.

    I’ve lost count of the times I’ve been bitten by wasps and Redbacks over the years and I’ve built up an immunity…I’m more concerned with the spider as I’m a pretty toxic scaper, lol!

  86. FWIW, some purported information on Singer whose work on glaciers was cited. He doesn’t seem to be entirely honest, particularly when it comes to his funding, and petitions and declarations he promotes – oh, and in 2005 his institute (more specifically, his wife) was exposed as lying about the state of the world’s glaciers – which might be significant since Fielding’s doc relies on his co-authored paper on glaciers.

    You can look up other people on those two links if you so desire (including Carter, Evans, Kininmonth and the Idsos). Some of it is very interesting. (Kininmonth has his own apparently personal “Climate Research Institute”, and believes that greenhouse gases cool the atmosphere.)

    I’ve previously posted on other climate change threads about McIntyre and McKitrick who found small errors in the procedures used to create the hockey stick graph and proceeded to make a lot of noise implying that this was a huge error that disproved global warming. At least one of them is laughably incompetent (self-congratulatedly reporting that a paper they had written was thoroughly reviewed and reported rock solid results, before someone pointed out that said results were computed using latitudes expressed in degrees when the software treats them as radians – e.g. a bit like measuring the distance between Sydney and Melbourne in centimeters when your software expects yards).

  87. The way I understood the government response about natural variability is that there are yet to be identified, or quantified, natural forces that can overwhelm those driving AGW.

    Given that the doc only quoted selected snippets of the government response, that may be drawing a long bow.

    And I’d imagine that La Nina, El Nino, and the various oscillations that you discuss elsewhere would all be part of the natural variability according to the government, given that they’re frequently mentioned when climate scientists respond to people who say things like “but it has been cooling since 1998”.

  88. scaper…, on June 25th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Got bitten by a Redback spider which is unusual for this time of year…I reckon he pumped his whole poison sack into me as my knee is swollen and I’ve got a poison taste in the back of my throat.

    Was it a he or a she? Either way, sorry to hear that you got bit.

  89. Ben has put up a devoted ‘Fielding’s Reply’ thread here.

  90. Perhaps you could clarify what it is you say they are denying; it can’t be that warming has occurred, given their statements like this one:

    You are correct. The doc claims warming has occurred, but if Fielding was quoted correctly in the news article, he claims that “global warming isn’t real”. Later the report claims his doc says:

    Global temperature isn’t rising

    (which is not a direct quote from the doc you linked to).

    This might just be sloppy reporting – failing to distinguish between GW and AGW…

  91. Lotharsson, I would be quite happy if they didn’t stop at “time scales of around a decade” but allowed for all the longer ones still being identified.
    As was stated, it was the IPCC who have previously denied the effect of natural variability.

  92. Legion, I’m not sure as all I saw was the stripe before it jumped off me and disappeared into the long grass.

    “Symptoms may appear immediately after exposure or be delayed. They may include limb weakness or numbness, loss of memory, vision, and/or intellect, uncontrollable obsessive and/or compulsive behaviors, delusions, headache, cognitive and behavioral problems.”

    Gee, how am I to identify these symptoms…nothing out of the ordinary…lol!

  93. A little something for/on the WCP Club (or those simply interested in the ebb and flow of a segment of world wealth)…

    Millionaires’ club culled by crisis

    Capgemini: The 13th annual World Wealth Report 2009

  94. I’ll take the climate stuff over to Ben’s thread…

  95. scaper…, on June 25th, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    Legion, I’m not sure as all I saw was the stripe before it jumped off me and disappeared into the long grass.

    If you saw the spider and the stripe, chances are she was a she. Sometimes, the female of the species really is more deadly than the male.

  96. Legion, I got bitten by a male when I was seventeen, I went to hospital but got bored and discharged myself, played five sets of tennis and finished up in the pub until closing.

    I would say it was a female as it was fairly large, I’m feeling half pissed at the moment, might have to go and find that spider tomorrow as there is no cane toads to lick at the moment!

  97. Millionaires’ club culled by crisis

    I wonder if so-called Reb of WCP-Central was affected? My guess is he’s moved up a few places on the ladder, at the expense of some less fortunate ‘multis’.

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