Kevin Rudd Talks to God Everyday.

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In the latest revelation in the unravelling of the PM’s constitution, it’s been revealed that the PM, Kevin Rudd talks to God every day.

Now there’s nothing unusual about this.

In fact, many well-respected, articulate and otherwise intelligent world leaders from all walks of life, have relied on heavenly advice when it comes to carrying out their day-to-day political responsibilities.

And fair enough too.

Former Prime Minister, John Howard, for example, was (and probably still is by all accounts) a devout Christian, and enjoyed a close relationship with George Pell (until they fell out over WorkChoices). Now they hate each other. But that’s another story…

Likewise the hugely popular US President George W Bush claimed to have a direct line to the divine from the Oval Office and went hell bent into the immensely successful war in Iraq firmly believing that “God was on his side”. And who would doubt him.

Following recent reports that Kevin Rudd might be a tad vain, The Courier Mail reports that Kev has to remind himself on a daily basis that “it’s not all about me.”

“When I manage to remember that principle . . . I’m much the better person for it,” said Mr Rudd.

Mr Rudd told the Salvation Army’s War Cry his preferred book of daily devotionals was “My Utmost for His Highest”, which features some spiritual “truths” for every day of the year.

“I work out of that and the scriptural readings upon which each day’s devotions are based,” he said.

“And I try very, very hard to reflect on that before I get stuck into the day.”

And who can blame him?

The only question I have, is, if Kevin Rudd talks to God every day, then what does God say back?

Surely it’s a fair question. And personally I’d like to know.

Even if it’s just inconsequential things like “I’m not sure if that tie matches those cufflinks,” or “perhaps you really ought to cut down on salt,” the fact that he is receiving divine counsel and “tips from the top” is something we really ought to know about.

I mean, I don’t really care about the trivial stuff, but if God tells Kevin to nuke Campbelltown for example, and let’s face it, who wouldn’t in their right mind, then I think the public ought to know where the PM’s getting his advice from before we read about the nuclear fallout in the day after tomorrow’s gazette.

Of course, talking to God is really like talking to an imaginary friend. A friend that probably looks a lot like Humpty Dumpty and just looks straight back at you with a blank stare.

I used to have an imaginary friend, but we had a disagreement over religion so I killed him.

Now we just have to depend on my own fickle judgement and limited common sense..

May God have mercy on us all.

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128 Responses

  1. Clint Eastwood: I Talk to The Trees. My lilly pillies love me 🙂

  2. Oh! Jesus…not another one!

  3. Rudd the polymorph deforms more into a RWDB everyday. It’s a worry.

    If Rudd comes out like Bush did and says he is fighting Gog and Magog then we are really in deep shit. And by the way Howard was 100% behind Bush at the time Dubya stated God talks to him and he was fighting Gog and Magog.

    Oh by the way Pell who had a fallout with Howard is back in with Turnbull and is sticking up for Malcolm’s policy stance.

  4. Thank God he’s not Catholic !

  5. I believe he used to be, Walrus. Now he’s High Anglican.

  6. I would suggest that God drifted off to sleep somewhere between “natural complimentarity” and “the question is this” and woke with a start when Rudd asked what he thought. “Sounds great” said the Lord and thus is explained the sanctimonious conceit of the duplicitous twerp.

  7. Thank Heavens that The Courier Mail is at the forefront of things..that well known conveyer of accurate and unbiased information.

  8. What’s a “High Anglican” ?

    Us Catholics were taught that all others were going to burn in Hell.

    So they certainly did not teach us about each religion as it was………………well…………………….irrelevant..

  9. Well IATW you gotta admit it us Catholics (well I’m ex) have the pick of the religions. Just about all the others are going to burn if they sin but the Micks can sin up until their deathbed confess and voila paradise. That’s gotta be better than blowing yourself up for 72 virgins.

    And the beauty is if you have guilt pangs about all your sining along the way, just pop into a box behind a curtain with a priest on the other side who cannot tell anyone ever what you say, a few Hail Mary’s, and voila you’re good to go until your guilt gets you again or your deathbed.

    Rudd’s a fool if he gave that up and must be having guilt trips by the dozens on the porkies he’s been telling.

  10. High Anglicans are Roman Catholic wannabes. The Low Anglicans (evangelicals) are winning the race to control the Anglican Communion and many Anglo-Catholics are signing up with Rome.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Anglicanism

  11. “………..or your deathbed.”

    Ah Yes…………………..the Last Rites

    Absolution fron Sin even when you are already ………….Dead !

  12. Maybe Rudd’s go no-one else to talk to. Maybe he’s just lonely up there. Plus, I’ve never known God to answer back. A fairly compliant thing…God.
    Talking to a god is really just talking to self.

  13. Daphon, I think that I’ll stick with my lilly pillies. Hubby is Catholic and I am High Church..kids were baptised Uniting and they went to Seventh Day Adventist Sunday School…cos it was the most fun.

  14. I had this housemate once who used to talk to God, well actually yell at him, in the shower every morning. She’d come out and I’d say “You don’t have to yell, He hears all” but she would just give me a funny little smile. She would be glowing though, so the experience must have been pretty good.

  15. I wonder if God can make Rudd say “billions”?

  16. The opposition can and did in parliament.

  17. Good talking to god everyday. Still better talking to the God in you daily, for he surely listens.

  18. James..when I was at Toorak Teachers’ College a friend disappeared for a while and came back as..a nun. It’s hard to explain, but she was so contented that no one criticised at all. What ever works I think.

  19. Oh yeah, mobius? Does that make Turnbull a deity?

    And MIn – yeah – the present is something I have to get (love Dr Suess, too).

  20. Not another thread uncomplimentary of religion. Next thing James of North Melbourne ( of “a prominent Catholic family”) will have to start a thread to announce his departure – again! To speed up the process, Reb, how about a sacrilegious piccy to go with your post…

  21. Joni..it’s my job..to remind you crew to get the partners presents. I should set up a calendar. Have to choof, Jeff is home early.

  22. sulochanosho, on May 26th, 2009 at 5:14 pm Said:

    Good talking to god everyday. Still better talking to the God in you daily, for he surely listens.

    He/She/It/They must be a great listener as He/She/It/They never talks back.

  23. Is this Jesus listening to Rudd?

    Doctor Jesus (Guatemala)

  24. Mobius: re not talking back..an unknown factor.

  25. “……….for he surely listens………”

    How do you know ?

    What if he cant hear you ?

    By the Bible’s own admission he’s bound to live right next to one of a few thousand flight paths……!

  26. Damn “tempt”.

  27. Caney, you intellectual midget, get fucked.

  28. Mobius

    That’s a very interesting site Mobius…………….Have you ever noticed that the Evangelical Christians always get the hot chicks as per the site you linked to.

  29. FWIW, I was once a practising ‘hard’ atheist, raised as an atheist, and within an atheist family…until the day He did choose to speak commune (it was decidedly nothing like speaking or reflecting or praying; it was more like an essential ‘sharing’ or ‘transference’), which was quite a revelation to an atheist who was absolutely certain of the absurdity of any notion of a ‘God’ or ‘gods’. I ‘met’ and only have ‘met’ Him the once (for all of about 0.00002% of my lifetime to date); and yet I would and must witness that occasion as being key to my understanding of the ‘world’. And it’s true (for me, at least, and as a consequence of that relational interaction): ‘God’ IS Love; He also didn’t seem to have any ‘religion’ beyond that; and isn’t really a ‘He’, more an ineffable ‘Spirit’. So, yeah, I guess I’d have to say that it’s important that I remember every day that it’s not all about me, either; and that the ‘me’ bit isn’t even necessarily real as a discrete thing, more an inseparable part of an Everything, if what I learned in that communion, among other things I learned, was close to being correct.

  30. “Rudd the polymorph deforms more into a RWDB everyday. It’s a worry”Mobius

    Yes it is. It really makes all of the crap about what an evil socialist he is sound even more akin to crap.

  31. Well, I was raised ‘skeptic’ until my family decided to join one of the local churches. Since then, bringing a healthy (in my mind) level of skepticism to the claims of religion is liable to cause familial tension.

    I raise my kids as “open minded” introducing them to all religions we come across and explaining why I don’t particularly think they are the “One True Way”.

  32. Legion, on May 26th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    Legion, that is, perhaps, the most “lucid” post you have made (my opinion only)!! I understood every word!

    FWIW I was brought up in the Church of England (in England arrived here as I turned 12).

    I have been an agnostic (I neither believe, nor disbelieve) since my mid-teens (not popular with my parents nor some of their friends… and not a discussion point in the 1960’s/70’s

    … the Army in 1970 still had trouble dealing with someone (administratively) who did not have a “faith” …

    … in my mind both athiests and religion driven people are the extremes …

    … of course, those people who know the stance of agnostics seem to think that it provides and opportunity to “convert” me … although the instances of that have decreased significantly over the last coujple of decades …

    … and Legion, thanks for sharing …

  33. That’s all very well Legion, but did you get any wine..??

  34. G’day, sreb, “clink” – just off for WT II … 😉

  35. And I am just about to check out (of the hotel) and have cracked open a Tiger beer… then to the airplanestation for the 380 flight home.

  36. *clink* TB, just savouring my first glass of Shiraz..

    Joni,

    You must be relieved to be leaving Singapore…

  37. “So, yeah, I guess I’d have to say that it’s important that I remember every day that it’s not all about me, either; and that the ‘me’ bit isn’t even necessarily real as a discrete thing, more an inseparable part of an Everything”Legion

    Thanks for sharing &, for me at least, that puts a lot of past comments into perspective.

    Strangely perhaps, I’d claim a similar pov (but not derived from any one singular “encounter”). I think the only difference is that I would maybe call it my “conscience” rather than “God”. I don’t believe in god as an entity or an institution, or any form of god per se, but I well understand love & selflessness (to a certain extent) & they are the great common ground for humans when we put aside our “differences” (which are mostly superficial).

    My main divergence from religion is the realisation that dogma & the myth of a “Creator” is, IMO, man imagined.

  38. Not so much leaving Singapore – just to be getting home and giving the bf a big hug. So over this trip – just hope no one on the plane has pig flu.

  39. Didn’t the Kiwi petrol station managers run to Singapore?

  40. Reb – BBC News has an article on a museum devoted to your alter-ego – TinTin!

  41. I wish I could see that Joni (the TinTin piece). We have so much in common…

  42. joni, don’t get lost in the airplanestation 😯

  43. TB, I think that you can be an atheist without being an extremist, it’s just a realisation of your place in the universe as best you can deduce from the available information & misinformation from established institutions; coupled with insight gained on your personal journey through life (no instruction manuals).

    I am certainly not out to convert anybody. I think it’s amusing that anyone would want to “copy” my beliefs just because I say so.
    To me agnosticism is too much like fence sitting, a bet either way, covering all bases so to speak.
    There is no logical argument that says you cannot be a “good” & moral person without belief in a god. I hold no such belief & am as “good” as anyone I’ve ever encountered.
    Each to their own of course, but to discuss or postulate atheism is no worse than asserting godly belief IMO. The extremists, of any vein, are the loud ones that stand out on the fringes; generally not indicative of either majority.

  44. That’s very true TB, the Singapore airplanestation is very big, but the shops all look the same, so you keep thinking to yourself “haven’t I walked past here already? Like about five times..?”

    (Even though you’re walking in a straight line).

    KAMAHLODERATOR: Topic please..

  45. HD,

    If! There is a God, surely she/he/it is nice …

    Most organised religions are not … indicates human beings to me …

    If! God is not nice … then she/he/it is not someone I would want worship …

    If! There isn’t a God … then I have only my own conscience to tell me that life is short and I shall be judged by my peers (I will anyway) on how I have conducted my life … and every day is important … to be lived … each day is a gift – tha’s why we call it the present …

    Oh! and I do believe in GOD .. Grow Old Disgracefully …

    “clink”

  46. Min,

    I used to be Anglo-Catholic when I was still religious. My parish church was Christ Church St Laurence in Railway Square, Sydney. More Catholic than any RC church I’ve been in. CCSL had a large gay contingent in the congretation: for some reason gays are attracted to the smells and bells and frilly frocks 😉

    http://www.ccsl.org.au/

    I’ve been at the other end of the spectrum for a few years now – an atheist.

  47. HD,

    Just read your post.

    Agnostics rarely try to convert me … but a fence sitter? (Standard Comment BTW – not like you).

    Why is my “there may be a God – there may not be a God” – a bet each way? Its The Truth and The Way … 😉

  48. “I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation and is but a reflection of human frailty.”

    Albert Einstein

  49. “clink” yourself TB.

    3rd WT after a compulsory “training” day whereby we finish Arvo shift at 11:00pm last night & are back at work at 8:00am this morning to sit through 8hrs of dubious “training” while suffering pronounced sleep deprivation.

    The only thing that makes it endurable is that 19 other crew members are all in the same (tired) boat & watching the anger flare between the usual suspects takes the edge off of the fatigue.

  50. Hey TB, I hadn’t read your response prior to posting & fence-sitter is certainly not an observation directed at you personally.

  51. Check out the range and scope of this world’s religions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups.

    How can so many people in so many countries be right and how can so many people in so many countries be wrong?

    As ‘science’ advances, ‘religion’ retreats’.

    Personally, I don’t find it a problem if Rudd talks to his god, but I would be really worried if god supposedly talked back and Rudd acted on that advice. A La Bush.

  52. Toiletboss, on May 26th, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    I know that, brother… 😉

  53. What? Cum stains all over Saint Kev? I guess I shouldn’t be surprised on this site !

  54. davo, on May 26th, 2009 at 8:00 pm

    Meaning we ‘ave a go at anyone, Davros? Exterminate! Exterminate!

  55. Davo either hasn’t read the thread or didn’t understand what he did read?

  56. Well I do hope that Kevin asks for His forgiveness for all the promises he has broken lately.

    His God is probably more forgiving than some of us.

  57. Yes – it is a big airplanestation – and they have free innertube terminals around the place.

    And to keep on topic, when I look to my left, the size of that 380 elicits cries of “OMG – that things is too big, it cannot fly!”

  58. His God is probably more forgiving than some of us.”

    Not really Tom. ALP voters are the most forgiving of all. It does not matter how corrupt, immoral or dishonest the ALP is they will still get 45% of the vote.

    Throw in some lies about doing something about global warming and then you have the greenoid vote which is enough to “win” the election.

    ALP voters are the most forgiving of all. The ALP won the last election but the ” Commonwealth of Australia” lost the last election.

  59. Neil of Sydney, on May 26th, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    How’s the suicide bomber training going, Neil?

    Had any practice runs yet? Oops! That’s right, you only get one go …

    Just keep pushin’ them buttons, son, something will blow up soon …

  60. How’s the suicide bomber training going, Neil?

    You know TB when someone cannot argue against the points they then just give some abuse.

    You know TB when you put your cross on the ballot paper in 2007 you voted for a $35B deficit in 2008 and a $ 58B deficit in 2009. Thats $93B in debt in just 18 months.

    I hope you are happy with your vote

  61. Well I didn’t vote for Labor Neil but I’m STILL very happy to be rid of the shitwipes that were previously in control.

    That the new lot aren’t altogether different isn’t a surprise to me; if you observe our 2p pref system it’s exactly what you’d expect.
    You are as guilty of wild bias & generalisation as any leftoid pervert Neil.

    But you’re funny, don’t stop.

  62. More proof, if it were needed, that religion is the last bastion of the modern scoundrel. No wonder Hillsong feels right at home in whacko Brisvegas.

  63. Neil – “TB when you put your cross on the ballot paper in 2007…”

    You’ve certainly nailed TB there Neil. He uses a cross because he can’t count to 7 – typically the number of candidates in a house of reps seat.

  64. You know TB when someone cannot argue against the points they then just give some abuse.

    You’re really a riot, Neil. You didn’t make a point. You simply made a rant that:
    – Stated nearly half of Australia likes a party you don’t.
    – You believe global warming is a lie
    – You think that Australia lost out because Labour won.

    Pray tell, which one of these “points” was TB meant to debate? Whoops, that would be impossible because their all your opinions… Silly, silly Neil… One day you’ll understand debate is about facts & reason; not who can foam at the mouth more than the other bloke!

  65. Is the ACCC about to launch an enquiry into the Hillsong Corporation’s Queensland merger and acquisition activity?

  66. Neil I know I promised not to react but you really a class ‘clown’ act.

    Neil when you voted for Howard, did you know he was taking us into Iraq? That he would introduce WCs.? Or whatever?

    All governments are mugged by a constantly evolving ‘reality’. It’s how they respond that’s important.

    And yes I know governments make ‘promises’ but sensible people realise that when circumstances change only idiots adhere.

    Now one could argue that political leaders shouldn’t make promises but then again who is going to vote for those who only express aspirations? LOL>

  67. B. Tolputt – “One day you’ll understand debate is about facts & reason; not who can foam at the mouth more than the other bloke!”

    That seems a pretty dull idea. Certainly not the type of blogging that I’m interested in.

  68. James of North Melbourne, on May 26th, 2009 at 5:52 pm Said:

    Caney, you intellectual midget, get fucked.

    James of North Melbourne, you lying Liberal lowlife, didn’t you say you were going?

    Why start a thread to call attention to yourself as “quitting” the blog … and then re-appear within a month as though nothing happened?

    And re-appear on a thread about religion, what’s more. When it was a thread about religion that supposedly drove you off the blog with your attention-seeking hissy in the first place.

    You Liberals don’t know whether you’re coming or going, and couldn’t tell the truth about it either.

    What’d you say, Liberal:

    breathtakingly hypocritical

    https://blogocrats.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/call-me-precious/

  69. – You think that Australia lost out because Labour won.
    B.Tolputt, on May 26th, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    Absolutely!!! Also you spelt Labor wrong.

    Yep the ALP “won” the election but “Australia” lost. So true.

  70. Yep the ALP “won” the election but “Australia” lost.

    Like we could have had even lower interest rates?

    Methinks a very lame response.

  71. As ’science’ advances, ‘religion’ retreats’.

    Indeed, that seems to be the long term trend.

    This is some interesting analysis, partly of the rise of disbelief – Why The Gods Are Not Winning.

  72. You’re really a riot, Neil. You didn’t make a point. You simply made a rant that:
    – You believe global warming is a lie
    B.Tolputt, on May 26th, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    Thank you for the amusing comment. I actually made a rant that TB is a fool for his vote. i do not recall mention Global Warming. i have talked about this on another thread.

  73. Methinks a very lame response.

    As is pointing to a low interest rate regime, as if it’s an inherent good in and of itself, without giving due consideration to why rates are currently so low.

  74. Tony, on May 26th, 2009 at 10:29 pm Said:

    As is pointing to a low interest rate regime, as if it’s an inherent good in and of itself, without giving due consideration to why rates are currently so low.

    Indeed! You do get ‘irony’ don’t you Tony? Like most things are simply not within the control of national governments?

    Perhaps evidence of a new ‘insight’?

    BTW how are you going with the notion that ‘black’ and ‘white’ are simply the same notion because they both deal with the same concept of colour?

  75. What I meant to say was that the ALP will do something about Global warming.

    I did not say that Global Warming is a lie (but i do suspect this).

    i do have doubts that GW it is due to humans.
    I have never said that GW is a lie.

    I have always believed that the ALP have used this for political purposes to get elected.

  76. Neil of Sydney, on May 26th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
    Throw in some lies about doing something about global warming ”

    Actually that what i said. i have been drinking too much wine.

    “You believe global warming is a lie” B.Tolputt, on May 26th, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    I said they lied about doing something about GW not that GW is a lie. it takes a LEFTOID to twist what i said.

  77. Caney, I left because I was upset. I returned because I was invited. Any other questions?

  78. @Neil:
    I stand corrected. You think Labor were lying about doing something on Global Warming, ignoring the fact you preferred party are blocking attempts for this to occur (ETS for example). Was this the point you wanted debated?

    Or was it that you think Australia lost out? Given (by your own words) a majority of Australians disagree with you (after all, the Coalition lost the election) – get yourself a soapbox and tell them off.

    The problem Neil is that you want to foam at the mouth and anything is an excuse. The reason people don’t debate you (but rather use you as stress relief by poking you with sticks) is that you only come here to fight *shrug*

  79. Neil,

    You know, Neil, you’re right, I’m still trying to find “points” to discuss/argue with you…

    …with nothing else to play with, I thought I’d have a bit of fun with you, I forgot, that you have no sense of humour and very little experience … my deepest apology …

    Under these curcumstances I assume you will n ow refrain from calling me (and others) “lying Leftoids” when we attempt discuss issues logically with you?

    Oh! and Tom, see what happens when you agree with, Neil, your standard drops (erm, becomes more established…) – even you should know that had I placed a cross on a Federal ballot paper, I wouldn’t have voted at all!

  80. James:

    I had this housemate once who used to talk to God, well actually yell at him, in the shower every morning. She’d come out and I’d say “You don’t have to yell, He hears all” but she would just give me a funny little smile. She would be glowing though, so the experience must have been pretty good.

    LOL – I have a feeling that went over some peoples heads though.

  81. Re Rudd’s conversationswith god:
    I doubt God gets a word in – Rudd asks the question, Rudd answers the question – end of conversation.

  82. Dave55

    I doubt God would understand what Rudd was saying most of the time. Unless he has the dictionary handy 🙂

  83. TB at 6.07pm … the Army in 1970 still had trouble dealing with someone (administratively) who did not have a “faith”.

    And they still do..should imagine that the Army isn’t any much different to the Navy. Son when he entered the Navy was somewhat perplexed about what to put down as ‘Religion’ and ended up settling for ‘Christian’ as he figured that he wasn’t Jewish nor Muslim nor Sanyassin. I suggested that what The Form was hunting for was denomination. But that’s not what it says he argued, It states Religion.

  84. Under these curcumstances I assume you will n ow refrain from calling me (and others) “lying Leftoids” when we attempt discuss issues logically with you?
    TB Queensland, on May 27th, 2009 at 8:52 am”

    Well TB it is what I believe. Are you saying i should tell lies??

    But you tell lies about me. i am not a suicide bomber

    “Or was it that you think Australia lost out?
    B.Tolputt, on May 27th, 2009 at 8:42 am”

    Yes this my opinion. Am I not allowed to express my opinion??? Australia lost the last election. And yes I think labor is using GW to get the greenoid vote. After getting the vote it had not done much.

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,,25116053-30538,00.html

    Its just politics by the ALP. Also on the environment which is the political party that has built desalination plants (bottled electricity according to Bob Carr)???

  85. Neil, I give up … let me know when you graduate …

  86. “… let me know when you graduate …”

    From junior high?

  87. Neil, I give up … let me know when you graduate …

    Well actually TB you made a statement the other day that the LIbs wasted $342B from the mining boom. I have seen this comment several times before. Apparently the mining boom started in 2003. This means the Libs got an extra $85B/year for the last 4 years in power. And you claim they wasted this money.

    I think mining companies pay royalties so this means the state govts (all labor) also benefited from this boom. Why do you pick on the Libs???

    I would like to know where you got this $342B figure from so i can check that you are not telling me fibs. You are most probably correct but I would like a reference.

    Furthermore I think it was the Liberals IR laws that helped us so much. Wait till Labor brings in its IR laws and you will see unemployment increase.

  88. The Last Post

    Neil, do you work?

  89. Kevin talks to Turnbull as well, but neither are really there.

  90. Neil, do you work?
    TB

    Yep. I asked a simple question and I got a smart alec response.

    You actually made an allegation that the LIBS wasted $342B of the mining boom.

    I just want some documentation for your allegations. Any problems with this???

    You also said they were Pork barrelling. Again can you give me the evidence.

  91. Neil, when you experience life outside your bubble – call us, we’re always willing to forgive. Until then, try learning that name-calling & subject changes do not win you a debate, they only lose you credibility.

  92. Sorry TB I got the numbers wrong. This is what you said

    “Had John Howard & The Private School Bullies spent the $314 billion SURPLUS, from the mining boom on infrastructure and building the nation – the ALP wouldn’t need to do it now…
    TB Queensland, on May 21st, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    It was $314B not $342B as I stated. i would like a reference for this so i can check if what you are saying is true. I think states get royalities from mining so they got this boom also

    “pork barrelling (FFS look it up!), going to war, tax cuts, middle class welfare, phfft – there goes the 12 years of surplus”

    What pork barrelling???

  93. Neil, the figures TB mentions come from the Treasury document “Economic Roundup Summer 2008:
    A perspective on trends in Australian Government spending”

    http://www.treasury.gov.au/documents/1352/HTML/docshell.asp?URL=03_spending_growth.asp
    Good luck!

  94. O.K. Bacchus- thanks, i am grateful

    Someone has finally given me some figures. i have to go out now. I will have a look at them.

    I am sure you say “good luck” because you think I am too stupid to understand the data.

    Before i even look at the figures I will say we got all this extra revenue because of the Howard govt IR laws, policies, contacts with China etc.

    it didn’t just happen. it was hard work.

    You say the Libs just got lucky. it is amazing that people who work hard get lucky and people who bludge get unlucky.

    PS- why did you say “good luck”
    You say they just got lucky. O.K you may be right and you may be wrong.

  95. I like Neil. He’s either really good at taking the piss, or he’s trying very hard in his own ‘abrupt’ way – to understand. I think the latter.

  96. I have to go out now

    It must be exercise time at the home…

  97. This is what Stephen Koukoulas said about Costello:

    While there is no doubt that Costello was Treasurer when some very good economic times were recorded, his legacy could be compared to a doctor who tells a patient they don’t have cancer rather than the surgeon who performed the miraculous operations to cure another cancer patient.

  98. Tony, on May 27th, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    I do hope you’re right, ToSY, can you help him in future …

    bacchus, thanks, mate!

  99. Or Neil has to go back into his head – as it seems he spends most of his time out of it.

  100. If Wayne Swan walks into my hospital room with his scrub suit on, I’m outta there.

  101. joni, on May 27th, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    Wh-aat? Where have you been, joni?

    Is that the same as the mechanic who tells an owner that his car is fine and the other mechanic who does a tune up and makes it more efficient?

  102. Thought for the day, 27th of May, in the year of our Lord 2009:

    May 27th. THE LIFE THAT LIVES

    “Tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.” Luke 24:49

    The disciples had to tarry until the day of Pentecost not for their own preparation only; they had to wait until the Lord was glorified historically. As soon as He was glorified, what happened? “Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, He hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.” The parenthesis in John 7:39 (“For the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified”) does not apply to us; the Holy Ghost has been given, the Lord is glorified; the waiting depends not on God’s providence, but on our fitness.

    The Holy Spirit’s influence and power were at work before Pentecost, but He was not here. Immediately Our Lord was glorified in Ascension, the Holy Spirit came into this world, and He has been here ever since. We have to receive the revelation that He is here. The reception of the Holy Spirit is the maintained attitude of a believer. When we receive the Holy Spirit, we receive quickening life from the ascended Lord.

    It is not the baptism of the Holy Ghost which changes men, but the power of the ascended Christ coming into men’s lives by the Holy Ghost that changes them. We too often divorce what the New Testament never divorces. The baptism of the Holy Ghost is not an experience apart from Jesus Christ: it is the evidence of the ascended Christ.

    The baptism of the Holy Ghost does not make you think of Time or Eternity, it is one amazing glorious NOW. “This is life eternal that they might know Thee.” Begin to know Him now, and finish never.

    Ok, got it: tarrying and procrastination are good.

  103. PS- why did you say “good luck”
    You’ve got form Neil – I’ve posted links before which you’ve dismissed as being too hard for you to bother with…

  104. I think (regardless of their faith) most Australians cringe at the thought of the “hallelujah, I’ve found God” style admission.

    It isn’t mainstream here; does anyone else feel a sense of unease or embarrassment about this?

  105. Just this once, I’m with you, Tom. Australians have always tended to be suspicious of pushy extremists – be they religious, political or social.

    Have all the faith you like … in private.

  106. It is odd Ray, I feel sorry rather than persuaded by those poor, decrepit types that hang around the city reciting their love of God.

    There is always a sense that they are slightly demented.

    People that want to publically profess their love for a God is for those that are unable to rely on their own sense of worth.

    Costello was diminished by similar nonsense.

  107. Have all the faith you like … in private.

    Indeed. I did mean to mention to HD that it’s the common ground that should be held sacred (on my read of things), not the consecrated grounds, in a liberal democracy operating under principles of a separation of church and state AND freedom of conscience (whatever the a- ir- or religious content of that conscience might happen to be).

    I, also, can’t follow the premise that public manifestations of religion or religiosity (or anything else) is the domain of ‘extremists’, however, if it’s an effective attenuation of their public beings as members of the demos; trying to foist their sectional interests off on others may be ‘extreme’ where it impinges on the common aspect of common ground, or where it attempts to infiltrate private spaces, I would contend.

  108. It is odd Ray, I feel sorry rather than persuaded by those poor, decrepit types that hang around the city reciting their love of God.

    There is always a sense that they are slightly demented.

    People that want to publically profess their love for a God is for those that are unable to rely on their own sense of worth.

    I find those kinds of statements are usually made by people who like to inflate their relative senses of self worths, Tom. Eternity is like that, though; and time enough to ponder the relational qualities of dyadic interactions, even passing ones on the streets involving speech acts, and internal monologue.

  109. I think Rudd’s religious ‘stunts’ aimed at marginal Qld electorates go in the same category as Costello playing footsies with Hillsong, Tom.

    Pity about the law of diminishing returns. When Kev spends too much time whistling the North, he is also likely to be annoying the progressive-swing-vote in Melbourne, Sydney and elsewhere. That’s good for the Greens, not the ALP.

  110. Legion, who knows?

    As you’ve pointed out, the choice of religion, or not, is a personal one.

    Public expression about the subject, particularly from political leaders, is crass or odd.

    I think Ray Hunt might have the right take on Rudd’s motivation.

    Re – “eternity”, despite Gowings use of the symbolism, I don’t think it helped much.

  111. Hi Legion, agree, the public space in a Democracy belongs to everyone. Even our friend Sparta has the right to be wrong … lol

    Back on topic, I seriously practice a particular sect’s interpretations of a particular Sutra. Every day, because it works well for me. But I found my own way to, what is for me, a nurturing, still and loving space. I have never tried to persuade anyone else. I hope I never do. People have their own journeys. There are many cross roads. Many choices. I don’t believe there is a single generic ‘right path.’

    And as Democratic citizens everyone’s religious opinion is valid – that’s why our system evolved the separation of church and state powers – that’s also why polite-society conventions say “no” to religious conversations at dinner parties.

    The spiritual world belongs in the private domain …

  112. You’ve got form Neil – I’ve posted links before which you’ve dismissed as being too hard for you to bother with…
    bacchus, on May 27th, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    Have I?? I hope not. I really like the link you gave showing the Terms of Trade. Looks like we have had trade surpluses for the past 9 months.

    Just got back home. I will have a look at the link you gave

  113. Neil

    Looks like we have had trade surpluses for the past 9 months.

    Bloody Labor Government … rooned I tell ya 😉

    (In reality its just due to the lower dollar and our Ag sector actually producing some stuff for export after a number of years of below average yields due to droughts)

  114. “I like Neil. He’s either really good at taking the piss, or he’s trying very hard in his own ‘abrupt’ way – to understand. I think the latter”TOSY

    I agree Tony, that’s how I read Neil too. I don’t think he harbours malice.

  115. (For mine, I don’t recognise the either/or scenario proposed, and instead favour a tentative both – based on the old, edgier pre-November 2007/early 2008 ‘Neil’ and the new, I’m just askin’ questions and playin’ possum ‘Neil’).

  116. “he’s trying very hard in his own ‘abrupt’ way – to understand”

    Sorry, have to disagree that Neil is trying to understand. Neil has from in regards to ignoring facts provided to him and has on previous occassions admitted his ignorance on various matters while refusing to even attempt to remedy that ignorance when information has been provided to him.

    Sorry, but someone who refuses to inform themselves of matters of which they are admittedly ignorant is not trying to understand anything they are sticking their head in the sand “I don’t know and I don’t want to know. I’ve made up my mind and NOTHING is going to change it”

  117. Or maybe we are just all stoopid leftoid perverts.

  118. Huh – “and has on previous occassions admitted his ignorance on various matters”

    So he admits ignorance – unlike those that use multiple names to post reinforcing commentary that don’t bother to admit it.

  119. Australia lost the last election.

    I find that statement rather…eliminationist. The country voted; the results must be accepted by all; the country cannot in any actual sense lose the election.

    Yes, I know, it’s a metaphor.

    But to imply, even via a deliberately confronting metaphor, that the country’s choice is invalid is to imply that democracy is only to be valued when it produces a result you think is valid.

    That’s not on.

  120. It isn’t mainstream here; does anyone else feel a sense of unease or embarrassment about this?

    Hell, yeah!

    People that want to publically profess their love for a God is for those that are unable to rely on their own sense of worth.

    I think you hit one nail on the head there (“reflected sense of worth”).

    I think the ones who seem to really need to be converting others to their beliefs are quite often manically trying to cover up their own doubts. I remember being brought up to believe that “doubt” was bad – a position I rejected because anything that couldn’t survive questioning wasn’t worth believing.

  121. the results must be accepted by all”

    I accepted the results, I just don’t agree with the majority of Australians.

    I think it is good for govts to be changed from time to time to get rid of corruption that always builds up.

    But i do not understand peoples thinking in the last election. Unemployment halved, Federal govt debt was paid off with some money in the kitty.

    This govt was replaced by people who can only produce debt and unemployment. Makes no sense to me.

    Australians turned to the dark side at the last election

  122. Lotharsson, obviously some Australians are being tortured by the last Federal election results …

    … must be akin to waterboarding …

    …did I tell you that the Brisbane Dam system has plenty of water – it has now reached over 74% capacity … ?

    … the only thing that never changes is change itself …

  123. TB The problem for conservatives is that, by their very nature, they are resistant to change.

    Which reminds me of a joke:

    Q:How many conservatives does it take to change a light bulb?

    A: Change? Change? … What’s wrong with the dark?

  124. Lotharsson,

    I think the ones who seem to really need to be converting others to their beliefs are quite often manically trying to cover up their own doubts.

    Then there are those who are on a mission from God.

  125. Lotharsson, on May 28th, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    I think (regardless of their life philosophy) most Syracusians cringe at the thought of the “Eureka, I have found it” style admission.

    It isn’t mainstream here; does anyone else feel a sense of unease or embarrassment about this?

    It is odd Marcion, I feel sorry rather than persuaded by those poor, decrepit types that hang around the agora reciting their love of mathematics.

    There is always a sense that they are slightly demented.
    People that want to publically profess their love for mathematics is for those that are unable to rely on their own sense of worth.

    Diogenes was diminished by similar nonsense.

  126. Tony – is that youtube link the “Blue Brothers”?

    (cant look at youtube here at work)

  127. Yes, Joni, but my comment had a literal meaning as well.

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