Midweek Mayhem!!

Hello

Good afternoon and welcome to Midweek Mayhem. Our middle-of-the-week chit-chat thread.

As Joni has alluded to earlier, reports are coming in that Australians spent a record $19.3 billion in March, coinciding with the Government’s stimulus cash handouts.

Figures released by the Australian Bureau of Statistics indicate that retail trade at current prices rose by 2.2 per cent in March to a seasonally adjusted $19.3 billion. This was well above the market expectations of just a 0.5 per cent increase.

By all accounts, the media and economists are overwhelmingly attributing the increase in consumer spending to the Government’s stimulus handouts.

Now what was it that Malcolm Turnbull was saying the other day about the majority of Australians saving the cash handout rather than spending it?

In other news, Wolverine has opened to crap reviews but this hasn’t prevented Hugh Jackman from making a motza at the box office. Send some of it my way Hughie baby..!

Now I know that everyone here would have been watching the Logies with baited breath so feel free to elaborate on any lasting impressions…

Today’s youtube clip is an absolute classic which you simply must watch – even if you’ve seen it already.

Go on, watch it…

WATCH IT…!!!!!!!

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258 Responses

  1. I think the original is by the “Back Door Boys” (or something like that).

  2. Wow, I didn’t know the government gave away $19.3B on the first handout.

    I’m impressed!

  3. Interesting. US Op Ed columnist David Brooks talks about the myths and messages of Westerns as misappropriated by the GOP, and reprises “I live in a society, not an economy” (just not in that language).

  4. These “Logies” who or what are they?

    😉

  5. Sorry reb, can’t bring myself to watch it.

    Now if you’d put up something by Braindrill on the other hand…

  6. These “Logies” who or what are they?

    Lotharsson, on May 6th, 2009 at 5:04 pm Said:

    Lotharsson,

    Are you a resident of Oz or do you just like to visit when Sparta pokes up his incredibly ugly head………..?

  7. “These “Logies” who or what are they?”

    Our very own public wankfest version of the US’s adulatory Cult of personality, cheaper & nastier but just as shallow.

    ZOMFG! Them peoples are off of Teh TV! calling all fluffers.

  8. How’s the furry razorblades Walrus?

  9. Lotharsson is sage.

  10. I am indeed a resident of Oz, although I lived in California for 5 years. Just don’t have much time for the Logies myself 😉

  11. How’s the furry razorblades Walrus?

    Toiletboss, on May 6th, 2009 at 5:10 pm Said:

    They are both very well Toiletboss thankyou very much for asking.

    They will soon have their very own Facebook page including their various movie interests, music interests, favourite movie actors, favourite TV shows, likes and dislikes etc.

    They had the hair stylist around last Saturday morning (as just like poodles Maltese dont shed their hair). So of course that meant the indoor heater had to come on as this will be the final clip before it gets really cold.

    But as a reward they got to share the Webber lamb roast on Sunday night followed by Webber roasted chicken on Monday

    We know it’s starting to get colder when the female of the two starts getting under the doona around 2am in the morning.

    Usually she’s content to lie on top of the doona which is quite enough for Mrs Walrus and I as we would not want to spoil them

  12. Can anyone answer me this…………………….

    Why is there no pork based pet food. You can get lamb…………..beef…………….chicken……………..fish…………..but no pork.

    Both my dogs and our cats love pork……………….is there some sort of underlying assuption in relation to the religious followings of our animals ?????

  13. “These “Logies” who or what are they?”

    No idea. Perhaps it’s short for ApoLOGIES?

  14. Perhaps it’s short for ApoLOGIES?

    LOL 🙂

  15. “Usually she’s content to lie on top of the doona which is quite enough for Mrs Walrus and I as we would not want to spoil them”

    lol. My poor old mate is now too old to be able to jump up on the bed; she used to sleep under the doona by my foot for the first 12 years.

    My cats & dog love a good helping of swine too, the forbidden fruit. God says NO!

  16. Walrus,

    Re the pork thing, I suspect because it’s higher in fat than most other meats, can’t see any other reason, pigs ears and pork trotters are popular dog treats …

  17. “My poor old mate is now too old to be able to jump up on the bed”

    Reminds me of my boyfriend….

  18. My poor old mate is now too old to be able to jump up on the bed; she used to sleep under the doona by my foot for the first 12 years.

    Toiletboss, on May 6th, 2009 at 5:37 pm Said:

    Our female is too small to comfortably jump on the bed so she has a very small coffee table she jumps onto which gives her sufficient elevation to……. then jump onto my bedside table………… then onto the matress………….then the decision has to be made as to whether to either sleep above or below the doona……………………..

    Such tough decisions to make at the end of a tough day barking at possible canine enemies passing by…..

  19. “……….pigs ears and pork trotters are popular dog treats …”

    Dave55, on May 6th, 2009 at 5:47 pm Said:

    That makes sense………..I’d actually forgotten about the pigs ears which are quite popular around our place.

    I even tried one a few weeks ago (pigs ear) as our local butcher who smokes his own meat was experimenting and testing out the pet supply side of things

  20. “I even tried one a few weeks ago ..”

    Now, that’s gross!!

    Even our dog won’t eat them!!

  21. “Now, that’s gross!!”

    It was not cut from a rotting pigs carcass……………….it was just like the pet stores but very fresh…………..but not much taste besides the “smokiness”

  22. Plus it was yet to dry out completely as it was only partially “smoked”.

    It was kind of like pork crackling gone wrong………..but no taste……….just rubbery

  23. I even tried one a few weeks ago (pigs ear) as our local butcher who smokes his own meat was experimenting and testing out the pet supply side of things

    Do they come with a silk purse?

    And how come you lot can afford these female maids a jumping, amongst other things,

    and is the Logies a Television show?, Certainly not on Radio National or Classic FM.

  24. “Plus it was yet to dry out completely as it was only partially “smoked”.

    Funnily enough, you’re still not convincing me there Walrus…

  25. “……….you’re still not convincing me there Walrus…”

    reb, on May 6th, 2009 at 6:12 pm Said:

    It’s not something I’d do every day

    My local butcher is Italian ……………….he smokes all sorts of different meats. Makes up his own salamis…………….fantastic smoked legs of ham, continental sausages etc.

    All sorts of stuff that Western Europeans find very difficult to source in Sydney South. You’d have to go to Leichhardt otherwise and try and find a car park.

    Dogs like pigs ears for the chewing…………..certainly not the flavour as there is none………. but then their sense of smell/taste is thousands of times more powerful than ours.

  26. Economy: Lull before the storm wait for it!

    The Media: A very reliable source of information – most of them predicted the GFC…duh!

    Mal Turncoat: Dead man walking…slime from the mouth

    Wolverine: Margaret and David ravaged it…I’ll wait…saw Defiance (Daniel Craig) on “Tightarse” Tuesday – highly recommend it – if you like WWII movies…

    Logies: I would have thought anyone who could type legibly on Blogocrats would avoid it like the plague!
    (I guess that means just you and Legion, sreb?)

    Youtube clip: What a load of crap…

  27. “My local butcher is Italian ……………….he smokes all sorts of different meats. Makes up his own salamis…………….fantastic smoked legs of ham, continental sausages etc. ”

    Now you’re making me jealous!

    Leichhardt was next to my old stomping ground – Newtown and Marrickville..

  28. “Youtube clip: What a load of crap…”

    aah, TB, welcome back! You’ve been missed.

    Tony was asking after you just today – are you still on the lap top?

  29. Very interesting blog with US/AUS statistics

    Time to pick and choose: Housing or Jobs
    http://www.whocrashedtheeconomy.com/blog/?p=397#comments

  30. Nice photo here of TB trying out his new computer. Right up to the minute TB!

    Bet you can’t pick TB in the photo.

    He’s a little older, but still maintains the same sense of style!

  31. TB Queensland, on May 6th, 2009 at 6:29 pm Said:

    Economy: Lull before the storm wait for it!

    Lol TB It seems many who were the last to realise there was a crisis looming are now the first to be calling a recovery. Long way to go yet, it’s only just getting started.

  32. lol, great post TB!

    Nice to see ya around.

    “Youtube clip: What a load of crap…”

    Thanx muchly for confirming my suspicions. Now if you want some great utoob look up Braindrill or Beneath The Massacre…I know that they were gonna be reb’s second & third choices.

  33. Anyone else know much about Tarantino’s pending epic of goresoaked Nazi slaughter, Inglorious Bastards?

  34. “Tony was asking after you just today – are you still on the lap top?”

    Fortunately, no…I finally found someone at Dell who went out of her way to help me…I think I posted that the first power supply I received blew up – literally BANG! (scared the crap out of me! It had been set to 115 volts) – second one arrived on Tuesday (ten minutes work and it was all over).

    In the meantime I ordered (and negotiated a good price on two new Dell XPS 630’s – for the tech heads:

    4 Gb RAM
    2x 500Gb HDD
    23″ HD Widescreen monitor
    Blue Ray double layer burner (and CD/DVD)
    Nvidia 512Mb 9800GT graphics card
    Etherner
    Stereo/subwoofer sound system
    3 year on-site warranty

    Mine will be fitted with an Intel Quad Core Q9650 with 12Mb cache and a Creative X-Fi Elite Pro Soundblaster.

    The Minister’s with a Quad Core Q9400 and integrated 7.1 sound system.

    Won’t speed up my posts but will speed up my HD video editing and improve my music recording…and it will free up more time for Blogocrats.

    I’m still fighting issues on a couple of “fronts” eg Godfrey Hirst/CarpetChoice have agreed to replace our carpet but “have to manufacture the carpet” we chose – that was over two months ago…the world really is full of wankers…

    Oh!.. and g’day Tony (thanks for askin’) and other Blogocrats! Nice to back (sort of)

  35. Tom of Melbourne, on May 6th, 2009 at 6:52 pm Said:

    S#!t, Tom, where did that come from? I bet you don’t know which one is me? Uncanny…

  36. 23 inches you say…?

    I guess that beats my 22 inch screen…

    But then size isn’t everything…

    Blu Ray DVD player and burner?? And subwoofer!!

    Now you’re talking TB…

    You’d better warn the neighbours!

    Did you have to refinance the house to pay for this impressive machine..??

  37. reb, on May 6th, 2009 at 7:26 pm Said:

    Nah! But it did help when The Minister couldn’t play her favourite game on her 8 year old computer with an integrated video card – haha! ~ however, she insisted on a twin (we always did that it business…)

    This is the Dell 630

    http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsdt_630?c=au&cs=audhs1&l=en&s=dhs&~ck=mn

  38. Very nice TB (the Dell 360)..

    Makes my Dell look like a relic even though it’s only 3 years old..

    So, can we look forward to online video clips of “TB live at Ipswich RSL” in future editions of Blogocrats leisure & lifestyle threads???

    🙂

  39. Ipswich! Ipswich! Philistine!

    Haven’t changed a bit have yer?

    BTW its 630 – numerically dyslexic too!
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Anyone listening to this twit Turncoat on 7:30 Report? Alternative PM – my arse – current, PM, my arse…

    Its a wonder we don’t have anarchy on the streets…
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    JMc – so the people are spending us out of the recession? How much is STILL on credit card and how many people STILL don’t realise that if China can’t sell to its products to its global clients – the USA and that other basket case the EU – why would China want more of our minerals – talk is cheap, everything else is bloody expensive!

    The Minister and I are still stocking up on food and non perishable goods (and WT and Gordon’s of course) – tough times ahead – about three years to go I reckon, just hope my lot are in the 90% still employed…

    Stock exchanges stil haven’t climbed enough to suck people in for the DCB! Patience at the moment really is a virtue…

  40. Tom, you’ve mentioned Hunter S. Thompson in the past, owing to the generation gap I’m unfamiliar but interested in his work. I’m looking for a book on Amazon but he has shitloads to choose from & I’m not in a position to pick…any recommendations?

    Gonzo is an interesting concept for a book.

  41. OMG!!

    Did anyone just see Malcolm Turnbull’s performance on the 7.30 report?

    He declared that the country is being run by socialists!!

    Final nail in the coffin I reckon..

    what a tragic and desperate performance from a man who clearly knows that his days are numbered..

  42. Hi, TB and John, I agree, the carnage has not begun.

    It’s getting patchy out there and I’ve had three cancellations this month but I’m still cruising along…just.

    I’ve lowered my margins in anticipation as the market will get cut throat, what’s coming will sort out the cowboys in my industry.

  43. “Did anyone just see Malcolm Turnbull’s performance on the 7.30 report?

    He declared that the country is being run by socialists!!”

    Hard to see that playing well with anyone but the most paranoid of Coalition boosters.

    They need to learn that “terrorism” is the new buzzword, not “socialism” or, by extension, “communism”.

    Desperate times for malcum & those who follow closely behind him with daggers drawn.

  44. Hunter S. Thompson
    Fear and Loathing in LA

  45. scaper…, on May 6th, 2009 at 8:01 pm Said

    The Stimulus Package “giveaways” only delayed the inevitable – those retail businesses (and others) that will go under in the next six/twelve months would/should have gone under anyway.

    Unfortunately the “innocents”, workers and their families go with them – and that’s what the “giveaway” money should have been reserved for – those who will be in most need…

    While the Liberals (Coalition?) has become a cemetery run by zombies, Kevin Rudd’s mob have made some awful on the run mistakes – the giveaway being one, the unlimited guarantee to the banks, STILL no regulatory changes or action and the banks reeling it in…and patting themselves on the back as “good corporate citizens” GMAB…

    …and while I’m talking about Robber Baron’s…

    … if I hear again that, Richard Pratt, wasn’t one! I’ll hit something! A self confessed thief who gave away other people’s money and was called a benefactor (reminds me of Kevin & Co) and fathered a love child to his mistress, is a good guy? Not in my books…and all the other Robber Barons gathered round to tell us what a wonderful person he was – here comes the rain – another one is born…

  46. “… if I hear again that, Richard Pratt, wasn’t one! I’ll hit something!”TB

    Smash down that tall poppy TB, he was a robber baron if ever there was one.

    I think you’re correct about the impact of the “GFC” being yet to be truly felt too; the next 18 months is when the squeeze will really be on. Not a lot of widespread impact as yet, but it is gurgling up the S-bend & will surface.
    The US multinational I work for has put off 1000 employees in the US in the last fortnight with more doom forecast on a global scale. Hard to see it not having a negative collision here but time will tell.
    I’ve had 3 payrises (due to competency based training) in the last 6 months & start training on a new skill next week, which means another pay rise in a couple of months, so have been insulated thus far.
    I’ve been riding my luck though. The last company I worked for, Carter Holt Harvey, last week decimated it’s workforce down here by putting off 100 people; I feel for them, & indeed I know most of them. The town in which the mill is located is destined for ghost-town status.
    This is all before any implementation of an ETS, which the CEO of SE Asia of my company has already told us will impact profit margins by 30%, minimum; although how much of that is an effort to drive down our bargaining position in our imminent EBA is uncertain.

  47. “By all accounts, the media and economists are overwhelmingly attributing the increase in consumer spending to the Government’s stimulus handouts.”

    Ha ha you beauty! What happens to the stores all the following months once the money is spent you idiots ! Maybe we should have a monthly bonus to keep the good sales figures going?

  48. That clip was sensational.

    And these guys are the dreaded Yellow Peril?

    More like a couple of Bankstown Boys having a bit of fun, if you ask me.

  49. HiToiletboss

    I’ve just been out to a very nice little restaurant, so missed you query.

    Hunter S Thompson has written a few good books.

    Try “Fear & Loathing on the Campaign Trail ‘72”

    The title says it all. Sensational and funny.

  50. “Try “Fear & Loathing on the Campaign Trail ‘72”

    The title says it all. Sensational and funny.”

    I suspected that that one may have appealed to you.

    ’72 eh? I was still circling in Dad’s sack.

    Of course you realise that if I read it (which I will) & find it to be unsettling I will automatically put you in my drawer labelled pathetic lamaste!!!!!!!!

  51. Ta for the recomendation BTW.

    At the moment I’m reading a book one of my coworkers gave me about Skunk Works but it’s light & I’ll be through it in no time so will be after something else.

  52. What sort of board do you ride Tom?

    Been out (past the shorebreak) recently?

  53. Wow. I think we will hit 400000 hits tomorrow. Well done to all.

    I will probably be off air until the weekend, and so an early congratulations to all.

  54. “Did anyone just see Malcolm Turnbull’s performance on the 7.30 report?

    He declared that the country is being run by socialists!!”

    it’s just so US Republican isn’t it?
    Only trouble is it doesn’t translate well to Aussie politics, we just don’t have the same commie phobia that the US capitalists have instilled in everyone over there.

  55. Toiletboss, far be it from me to recommend reading anything that would result in a “lamaste”.

    Refer to the following –

    “Ulkomaankauppaministeri Jari Vilén: Lamasta nousuun: Suomen talouden elpyminen 1990-luvulla”

    And

    “Katson olevani niin hyvä tulevaisuuden ennustaja, että kruunaa ja klaavaa heitettäessä osun 50:n prosentin todennäköisyydellä oikeaan. Sen parempia lahjoja minulla ei tarvitsekaan olla, kun ennustan että Jari Sarasvuo ja Trainer´s House selviävät lamasta.”

    I now understand that “lamaste” is plural for “lamasta”, this is an archaic Finnish ritual and involves involuntary animal husbandry with a lama. Lamaste is therefore the demand for husbandry with multiple lamas.

    It is a fate of unimaginable horror, particularly for the lama. Don’t blame me when some lamaste is thrown in your direction by the mayor.

  56. Walrus,

    “Are you a resident of Oz or do you just like to visit when Sparta pokes up his incredibly ugly head………..?”

    I have often wondered that myself………..I seem to bring out the best in people…LOL…….Ugly, just highly misunderstood there Walrus!

  57. Well Toiletboss, I’ve got a few boards. I like to stack them up on the roof and select one, a bit like golf.

    My favourite is bit retro, 6’6 swallow tail. It is probably a little young for me, I may have to go back to one a bit longer, and ride smaller waves. I’m too old to be out the back with the young people.

    What about you?

  58. Haven’t been for a while, sold my board when we left the city & can’t bring myself to jump on the esky lid.
    Really should make an effort as it’s not crowded down here & the surf can be epic if you pick your days carefully (shiftwork makes that nigh on impossible).

    Cccccooolllddd! down here too, & only getting (much) colder at this time of the year. Great though, great even to just sit in the car & watch it sometimes.

    Probably only about 20 mins away max, so no good excuse for not going.

    Yeah, I don’t like the young people either, lol.

  59. Shiftwork, & clean, uncrowded waves.

    What a life! Get a board!

  60. I’m off for now, mayhem tomorrow.

  61. Kruunaa ja klaavaa heitettäessä osun 50:n prosentin todennäköisyydellä oikeaan.

    Dilarang merokok. Mayat Gajah. Perkebunnan Teh. Keluarga saya. Anjing galak…harimau galak.

  62. The upcoming DOJ ethics report on the torture memo lawyers Bybee, Yoo and Bradbury is said not to recommend pressing charges for criminal conspiracy. (There’s apparently some backroom games and pressure from Bushies going on – and unusually IIRC the draft report was shown to some of those involved for comment before it was released, but it’s claimed it won’t change ). Hilzoy argues that criminal charges are a high bar to meet, so that recommendation could be entirely understandable – but that the three should be disbarred for completely inept lawyering…

  63. More detail on what’s appeared in the press about the DOJ ethics report, including puzzlement over why Bradbury doesn’t appear to be sanctioned, and quotes about Mukasey and his Deputy writing letters relating their opinion of the report (and presumably trying to shift it, seeing Mukasey has a historical public stance to try and protect).

  64. Lotharsson,

    Give it a rest already….we don’t need to keep dragging this over to every thread as Shane has pointed out……I am sure we will get another thread on the subject when the “photos” are released…

  65. There may be an interesting relationship between the DOJ ethics committee avoiding recommending charges and the possible Spanish cases. The Spanish judges basically hinted that they’d prefer the US to take the cases (because a reasonable pursuit of the alleged offenses in the US makes the Spanish case unnecessary under the law), but they don’t seem to be giving up if the US doesn’t run with them.

  66. Give it a rest already….

    It’s really easy to skip over for those who aren’t interested.

  67. What makes you think anybody else is interested? I seem to recall only you and the occasional “chrip” from the person not really participating…a.k.a….Legion?

    Let me put your mind at ease, EVERYBODY on this site believes the US “tortures” except me as the language is crystal clear to them apparently, so who are you trying to convince at this point? Talk about preaching to the choir….. You obviously just need to get your “fix”……..Please, excuse me…..

  68. Apologies….”chirp”…..

  69. Sparta, there’s no preaching in my recent posts trying to “convince” anyone. It’s merely highlighting developments that may be interesting to some, and some other people’s further thinking about those developments that may also be of interest. In the past there have been several who have found that type of comment interesting, not just Legion.

    Feel free to ignore it.

  70. John Bolton’s Op Ed. Apparently the Spanish judges are part of an “inquisitorial” system. (I wonder if he really thought through that choice of word, given the practices that were used by the original Inquisition?)

    And if they aren’t stopped, then they will run amok and “criminalize policy differences”. (Not sure he gets that they’re investigating allegations of violations of the law, rather than writing law to criminalize policy after the fact. But then he never made much sense to me.)

  71. No prob……..Obsess away……..

  72. Some groups want Creationism (or its rebranded version “Intelligent Design”) taught as science in schools in the US. To do so they argue that it’s NOT religious – it’s just science.

    However, it usually gets rejected as not scientific, even by the courts, although not always, or at least not at first (Kansas, I’m looking at you – and IIRC people are trying to get it into the Texas schoolbooks at the moment).

    Now it looks like in California that Creationism gets to be protected as religion. (Wow, both particle and wave!) A government teacher criticized it as “religious, superstitious nonsense” when it was put forward as an alternative to evolutionary science. A judge ruled that violated the 1st Amendment (government may not establish any religion, etc.) Nothing like having it both ways, eh?

    It’s hard to see the sense in this ruling, and if it goes to appeal it doesn’t seem likely it will stand. But then IANAL and sometimes courts do strange things…

  73. “Asylum seekers arrive at Christmas Island after being found on Deliverance Island last week.”

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/

    I just love the pictures of these “poor-down” trodden folks. All smiling, well nourished and grinning ear to ear that the “dumb” Australian will give them a new start, costing them only a boat ride. Meanwhile, the Aboriginals/Australian poor suffer and many more “real refugees” languish in camps around the world without the 5,000 AUD to bypass other countries and get a boat ride to the “Promised Land’. The current refugee scam could not be more blatantly obvious, unless your afflicted with the “compassion virus” which tends to obscure reality or have the moronic notion that you can solve the problems for billions by importing them………

  74. I am curious, when will some of you make the connection between an exponential population boom and shrinking resources= a greater evironmental toll?….Hmm……….”I don’t get it?”

  75. Lotharsson, on May 6th, 2009 at 5:03 pm

    Interesting article, L.

    Too many people want to complicate our lives unnecessarily and its already complicated enough!.

    I belong to a societywhere some individulas seem to have lost respect for each other, good manners, compassion, responsibility and especially accountability…it always seems to be someone elses fault…

    First and foremost, I live within a society and believe I should conduct myself within that society’s cultural and legal expectations…(eg pay taxes, obey road rules, not play loud music at 2am etc)

    … only then can I demonstrate my right to be an individual…

    …seems many people believe they have the right to express their individual freedoms at the EXPENSE of other people in society…

  76. Ugly, just highly misunderstood there Walrus!

    Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA, on May 6th, 2009 at 11:10 pm Said:

    Well…………….why do you need such a great big helmet covering most of your ugly head then………………..?

  77. Definition of “UN Sanctioned Torture”

    A Blogocrat locked in a room with Sparta and Lotharson

  78. G’day TB. Nice to see you back.

    🙂

  79. “Definition of “UN Sanctioned Torture”

    “A Blogocrat locked in a room with Sparta and Lotharson”

    I would have to agree with you whole heartedly…….How many times can we cover the same ground? Must be a record…….

  80. Walrus,

    No, before you ask; we are not married……….

  81. “A Blogocrat locked in a room with Sparta and Lotharson”

    He he hee ….

  82. Checked in, bored already.

  83. Hey reb and joni……….!

    Sparta always states he’s Sparta from AZUSA.

    I started thinkin’ “outside the box” and found where he’s from….

    Well here it is everybody…………..

    http://azusapride.org/

  84. Yes, I agree with you, if they’re not legitimate asylum seekers they should be sent back.

    I just love the pictures of these “poor-down” trodden folks. All smiling, well nourished and grinning ear to ear that the “dumb” Australian will give them a new start, costing them only a boat ride.

    So you can tell from the pictures that they don’t meet the definition of “asylum seeker”? Your assumption appears to be – and feel free to clarify if it’s not – that asylum seekers must be malnourished in order to be legitimate, and therefore that these people are not legitimate asylum seekers.

    The government fact sheet 61 you’re so fond of posting seems to define legitimate asylum seekers as those who are:

    …are unable or unwilling to return or to seek the protection of that country due to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion

    I can’t find the malnutrition requirement in that document. Furthermore it goes on to says the Convention doesn’t oblige Australia

    …to provide protection to people who do not fear persecution and have left their country of nationality or residence on the basis of war, famine, environmental collapse or in order to seek a better life for themselves or their family.

    (my emphasis), so even malnourished asylum seekers can be returned to their country if they aren’t in legitimate need of protection.

    BTW, I’m curious. Since you’re apparently not Australian (feel free to clarify, etc), what about this situation gets your goat so much?

  85. I am curious, when will some of you make the connection between an exponential population boom and shrinking resources= a greater evironmental toll?

    I am curious, what makes you think we haven’t? After all, you’d likely characterise most of us as “lefties”, and it’s primarily “lefties” who’ve been banging on about the environment for the last few decades.

  86. Joni,

    Manilla or Mumbai?

  87. Lotharsson,

    I am sure Walrus is in the “majority” here with his opinion of our “back and forth”….Why don’t we call a truce until the “photos” come out and give everybody a break?

    But since I can’t resist, no of course you can’t tell if somebody is a legitimate refugee via a photo. More sarcasm……..Again, I am putting something together on this subject and you can take issue with me then, which I have no doubt you will….LOL……

  88. today in SYD-SIN…. in work tomorrow and saturday, and then sunday to mumbai

    flying with SIA – $400 cheaper than Qantas, and I don’t have to fly with JetAir either. it’s only a 747, but the inflight entertainment is better than QF

    hopefully my first glass of red will pass my lips before midday

  89. Joni

    I hope you took plenty of shorts and T shirts as it can get rather warm over in India.

    Especially during a nuclear attack…………!

  90. No sparta, I want lotharson to keep posting as the posts are quite often from different source that I look at.

    As loth said, if you do not want to read the comment just scroll past it.

  91. Joni

    The flights are cheap because the airlines know they wont need to fly you home

  92. More sarcasm

    Well, I understood there to be sarcasm. Just not the point of it, seeing it seemed to require presumptions that were apparently false, which seemed to me at least to rather undercut whatever point you might be trying to make. But never mind…

  93. IATW – so NOT funny

    the office is near the airport as it the hotel, so i will have to wait until next weekend for some sightseeing

  94. Give my regards to all those handsome Singaporean businessmen.

    I hope you have your Singlish dictionary with you..

    And when in Mumbai, you may as well sample some Basmati rice….

    If you know what I mean….

    😉

  95. “I am curious, what makes you think we haven’t? After all, you’d likely characterise most of us as “lefties”, and it’s primarily “lefties” who’ve been banging on about the environment for the last few decades.”

    If that’s true, many of you “lefties” tend to take positions that are contradictory or incompatible with each other. Besides, “lefties” certainly don’t have a monopoly on protecting the “environment”, at least in my country…….

  96. I will be out with the boyf’s friends on Saturday night at Tantric and Taboo…. should be fun.

  97. “…..i will have to wait until next weekend for some sightseeing”

    I hope you took a torch as it can get a bit dark with all that ash blocking out the sun

  98. anyone see the sweeping broom of generalisation that just passed through here?

  99. IATW – you’re gonna feel so bad if I get fried in Mumbai!

  100. Dont worry Joni………………..I’m sure the Taliban just want to capture nuclear weapons in able to dismantle them and spread their message of peace even further……………!

  101. Lotharsson,

    I get the funny feeling you give my posts “special” attention……

  102. Joni,

    You jest but you better “watch your ass”…….

  103. Right-y-ooo blogocrats…. boreding [sic] time … see you all on the other side.

  104. Besides, “lefties” certainly don’t have a monopoly on protecting the “environment”, at least in my country…….

    True, but as far as those who have actual political power goes, it’s largely the “righties” who promote policies that gut protections for it…

    So I’m curious. The implication of this:

    …many of you “lefties” tend to take positions that are contradictory or incompatible with each other.

    in the context of this topic is that you think “lefties” are in favour of exponential population growth. Why do you think that?

    FWIW, any time I hear someone in the West (i.e. not including China’s One Child policy) proposing zero population growth – which is what you need to aim for if you think exponential is no good – they’re self-identified as, and/or denigrated by opponents as – “lefties”. I note that doesn’t mean all “lefties” support zero population growth either. But on the other hand, “righties” and “libertarians” tend to be fairly solidly in favour of fairly naked capitalism (with few exceptions), which has at its core a requirement for exponential population growth if you want relatively smooth functioning long term market.

    So I presume you can clarify where you’re coming from, and I’m guessing it’s somehow connected to immigration and/or refugees and/or asylum seekers?

  105. I get the funny feeling you give my posts “special” attention…

    It’s not personal. Your positions tend to be the ones I find to be least supported. I tend to call out stuff that I think is based on false presumptions or logic. (Bad habit of mine 😉 ) If I’m wrong hopefully I’ll correct my model of the world a bit. If I’m right, maybe someone else will correct their model a bit.

  106. Here you go reb…………………..I’ve heard you like to suck on a good Cuban whenever you get the chance

    http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/cuban-rolls-recordbreaking-43meter-cigar-20090507-avwn.html

  107. That’s extraordinary Walrus. Wait til Miglo cops a wiff of that…!

  108. A recent CNN poll suggests roughly 20% of Americans are objectively pro-torture. Apparently all you have to do is call the subject an “alleged terrorist” and then they’re all for it.

    About 60% think techniques used amounted to torture, and 57% don’t want to investigate the officials who ordered it.

  109. Sparta:

    BTW, I’m curious. Since you’re apparently not Australian (feel free to clarify, etc), what about this situation gets your goat so much?

    Lotharsson:

    I am curious, what makes you think we haven’t? After all, you’d likely characterise most of us as “lefties”, and it’s primarily “lefties” who’ve been banging on about the environment for the last few decades.

    It looks like I’m probably the odd one out here. Personally, I subscribe to the Julian Simon school, where people – rather than being a drain on resources and a danger to the planet – are seen instead as the planet’s most valuable resource and its best chance of survival – the source of all health, wealth, invention and discovery.

    The following essay, a small part of Simon’s large body of work, gives a broad outline of his general thesis:

    MORE PEOPLE, GREATER WEALTH, MORE RESOURCES, HEALTHIER ENVIRONMENT

  110. Correction:

    The relevant Sparta quote in my previous comment should have been:

    I am curious, when will some of you make the connection between an exponential population boom and shrinking resources= a greater evironmental toll?

  111. Lotharsson,

    Could you be any more of an ass? People wonder why I can be so nasty…….

  112. Tony, I’ll take a longer look at the Julian Simon link when I have more time. That’s an interesting argument.

    But just having skimmed a small part of it, I will be curious to see how he deals with the prospect of peak (and subsequently declining) oil supply rates, particularly as it relates to industrial scale agriculture (for which petroleum-based products are a key input, and may be non-trivial to replace). And the resulting widespread food distribution system (currently petroleum based, and whilst potentially expensive to replace – especially for air-freight – perhaps easier than other petro-based agriculture inputs.) And IIRC (and maybe I don’t), soil quality in the absence of (mostly) man-made additives (often petroleum-based at the moment) has dropped markedly over decades apparently due to industrial agriculture practices. And whether he includes biodiversity (and the corresponding natural habitat) and the contribution of uncleared land to the environmental/ecological health in his accounting of natural resources, since they’ve all dropped markedly rather than increased with population? And what about climate stability? And commercial fish stocks which have all but died in several important fishing grounds?

    I also wonder if his conclusions are based in part on a fundamental economic flaw – the belief that price measures scarcity of a resource when it arbitrates the tension between supply and demand. Some scarce resources (e.g. my first drawing in primary school) are very scarce indeed, but worth very little due to lack of demand. Other resources that enjoy abundant reserves (e.g. moon rocks 😉 ) are very expensive because supply rates are limited. It’s a subtle point, but there’s an important difference between scarcity of supply rates, and scarcity of reserves (although the latter does tend to lead to the former…)

    It seems like it’s easy to produce a model that says everything is alright. It’s far more impressive if the model takes into account the less overt state changes in the system and shows how it’s still alright.

  113. Could you be any more of an ass?

    I can try if you like. To what were you referring?

  114. “I can try if you like. To what were you referring?”

    Guess……..Unfortunately I am too busy to “play” today………

  115. HOLY SHIT

    Unemployment rate drops from 5.7% to 5.4%.

    http://business.smh.com.au/business/surprise-jobs-boost-20090507-avyz.html

    I don’t think anyone expected this (Wayne Swan this morning said he expected a rise) Looks like the stimulus package actually HAS created jobs! More egg on Turnbull’s face?

  116. Dave55,

    Or more people are simply not “looking” for work anymore and hence not being counted….LOL…..

  117. “Or more people are simply not “looking” for work anymore and hence not being counted”

    That would be all those dole bludgers and welfare recipients.

  118. Sparta:
    Yes, there was a decrease in the participation rate which helped the figures a little (possibly reflecting a move to training) but from the seasonally adjusted figures:
    http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats/meisubs.nsf/0/A1B9129785C01A08CA2575AE00273950/$File/62020_apr%202009.pdf

    Doesn’t make a lot of sense for people to not be looking for work though at the moment.

    EMPLOYEMENT
    increased by 27,300 to 10,798,900.
    Full-time employment increased by 49,100 to 7,672,700 Part-time employment decreased by 21,800 to 3,126,200.

    I actually suspect that this figure is at the lower end of the MOE and the Previous Month’s figures at the higher end, nonetheless, the figures (which is all we have to work with when assessing the effectiveness of stimulus packages and policy decisions) are pretty good for Australia and much better than the US figures.

  119. Guess…….

    I asked because I didn’t know. And I presumed you had a problem with something I wrote, and I wondered what it was and whether I should reconsider. But:

    Unfortunately I am too busy to “play” today………

    Yes, you often are when asked for clarification.

  120. Just imagine how low the unemployment rate will be once we’ve spent $$$BILLIONS$$$ on insulation!!

  121. “Or more people are simply not “looking” for work anymore and hence not being counted”

    I was referring to “how” unemployment is calculated in regards to the “labor force”………

  122. I note in that article that unofficial forecasts are still for 9% at the end of next year 😦 Hopefully the forecasts haven’t yet factored in the current numbers and will improve when they do.

  123. Sparta,

    Sparta, that’s right but the number of people in employement in seasonally adjusted terms actually increased. The reduction in participation helped the rate figure but the number of jobs (as can be seen from the above link to the ABS document) did increase by around 27k.

  124. “Yes, you often are when asked for clarification.”

    Well since this is probably one of the first threads you have actually asked for clarification;

    “It’s not personal. Your positions tend to be the ones I find to be least supported. I tend to call out stuff that I think is based on false presumptions or logic.”

    Clearly you don’t venture over to sites where you are actually challenged…

  125. Dave55,

    Not trying to rain on your parade Dave……

  126. Sparta,

    Your point was worth making.

    As Peter Martin points out, the MOE is quite large:
    http://petermartin.blogspot.com/2009/05/employment-has-grown-not-fallen.html

    So there is a chance that the number of unemployed actually increased. I think the last figure was a little high and that this figure probably should be higher than it is but ….

    If Rudd’s first budget hadn’t slashed jobs at the ABS we would have more accurate figures. V. critical of the Government for that little cost cutting exercise.

    The figures do rain on Turnbull’s and Hockey’s parade though. Watch them spin the MoE!

  127. Well since this is probably one of the first threads you have actually asked for clarification;

    Yes (as I pointed out on a previous thread) because implicit invitations to clarify any misconceptions I might have simply don’t work with you…and my proposal that you just presume I would misunderstand and therefore start out by clarifying your position was met with a certain amount of disapproval.

    “It’s not personal. Your positions tend to be the ones I find to be least supported. I tend to call out stuff that I think is based on false presumptions or logic.”

    And … you think that makes me an ass? What a strange concept of “ass” you have, at least to me. Especially since we’re on a political blog…

    What do you think you do when you respond to something you think is wrong with a counter-argument? And how do you manage to do so without being an ass, by your standards?

    Clearly you don’t venture over to sites where you are actually challenged…

    A) Like this one, where you challenge me?

    B) I didn’t realise you monitored my browser to determine which sites I visited, and whether I was challenged by any of the arguments on them.

    Oh, never mind. It’s pointless.

  128. “Oh, never mind. It’s pointless.”

    Finally we agree………

  129. Thank you friends. Due to family commitments am just trying to catch up with the reading.

    Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA, on May 7th, 2009 at 5:36 am Said: I just love the pictures of these “poor-down” trodden folks. All smiling, well nourished and grinning ear to ear..

    Sparta I am in a particularly unusual situation with son a 7 Year Man in the RAN. I therefore tend to take notice of my son rather than what I read in the newspapers. Son is a very down-to-earth person and isn’t much interested in politics.

    He said what happened was: they were ragged but that they had a change of clothes (secured in a plastic bag), their best clothes that they had traded for or work for in Indonesia so that they could look their best, so that Australians wouldn’t look down on them.

    When our crew called the boat alongside, then they went and changed into their special best clothes.

  130. Seems like if you’re a DOJ lawyer who writes legal opinions justifying detainee abuse on what most believe are shaky grounds, then the Attorney General and the chief of the investigating office (OPR, IIRC part of the DOJ) will give you a chance to respond to the draft review before it’s published. And the OPR will tell the world this is standard practice.

    But if you’re a DOJ lawyer <a href=”“>who writes an opinion that says you can’t interrogate a captured American suspected of fighting with the Taliban without a lawyer, you get a lousy performance review for no obvious reason and get explicitly told to find another job. And if you find out that the department responded to a judge’s request for the full departmental deliberations on the matter and somehow didn’t include your opinion and you attempt to blow the whistle, you yourself get investigated by the OPR. However, you don’t get invited to provide input to the investigation, or see the final draft – and the OPR notifies your State Bar of possible professional misconduct even before they’ve finished investigating.

    Good to see the same law applies to everyone.

  131. Lotharsson (May 7th, 2009 at 12:00 pm)

    Most of the queries you have raised are answered in Julian Simon’s book, The Ultimate Resource II: People, Materials, and Environment, available online here.

    Of particular interest in relation to ‘peak oil’ might be:

    Chapter 3: Can The Supply Of Natural Resources – Especially Energy – Really Be Infinite? Yes!,

    Chapter 11: When Will We Run Out Of Oil? Never!,

    Chapter 12: Today’s Energy Issues, and

    Chapter 13: Nuclear Power: Tomorrow’s Greatest Energy Opportunity.

  132. Tom…insulation is good..insulation equals a substantial reduction in cooling and heating bills. It creates jobs for small business and larger businesses.

  133. Min, I don’t think so.

    I don’t mind if the government wants to spend money helping fix up houses for pensioners, including insulation.

    But the idea that it should spend billions on this for people that have been too lazy to have it done themselves makes no sense at all.

    Set a 5-10 year date when everyone has to have their homes insulated, make it mandatory upon buying/selling (unless redevelopment plan is approved).

    Obviously, I think this is a BIG waste of our money, I find the idea stupid and annoying. It is very shallow thinking by the government.

    We should have much higher priorities for $$$BILLIONS$$$.

  134. Tom. I was of the opinion that insulation was compulsory..at least it was for new dwellings in ’76 in Victoria when I worked for Australian Gypsum (later taken over by Boral).

    It seems that it all went skew-whiff somewhere along the way. When did it become not compulsory for new dwellings in Victoria? As above, I haven’t been in Victoria since the early 90’s when I was a Shire Councilor for the Shire of Lilydale.

    And no my 84yr old mother was not ‘too lazy’ to have insulation installed, it’s that she could not afford to buy it on a pension.

    Tom, think about it. Most new dwellings have insulation and so the people set to benefit are people such as pensioners.

    You say that you are annoyed by the insulation issue, I rather am encouraged that oldies such as my mother, my mother’s 82yr old neighbor and Shane’s mum in west NSW will now have the opportunity to have a more comfortable life plus reduction in their power bills.

  135. How hilarious again.

    Due to the internal shenanigans of the Hsu, their employees in Victoria aren’t getting paid. Accounts frozen by the federal officials,

    So the HSU employees have joined the ASU to get justice.

    Hilarious, bizarre and hypocritical.

  136. Fine Min, as I said, I’m not particularly bothered about taxpayer funded insulation for pensioners.

    But that isn’t what the government announced.

    They said it would be provided for anyone that was without it, at a cost of billions. That is stupid.

    Mind you, we’ve not heard much about it lately, I hope the idea just fizzles and whoever came up with this “insulation for al regardless of income” policy just hangs their head in shame.

  137. Tom, perhaps you worded it badly, but you said:

    But the idea that it should spend billions on this for people that have been too lazy to have it done themselves makes no sense at all.

    You therefore gave the impression that pensioners who did not have insulation were ‘too lazy’ to have done it for themselves.

    Re insulation: you can contact your local tradie and this is capped at $1,600 per household for any home that is not insulated.

    Are you of the opinion that insulation should be means tested? I am thinking that this is one of the few things that should most definitely not be means tested.

  138. No Min, what I said was – “I don’t mind if the government wants to spend money helping fix up houses for pensioners, including insulation.”

    I think that made my option pretty clear.

  139. I think everything should be means tested.

    Even the means by which things are means tested ought to be means tested.

  140. Ayyy what was that little Tommy, yer old auntie Min is a wee bit ‘ard of ‘earin’.

  141. Min – “I am thinking that this is one of the few things that should most definitely not be means tested.”

    I think people (other than pensioner) should pay to insulate their house if they want it insulated. The government should provide plenty of notice – 5 or more years.

    If some have particular circumstances, such as house more suitable for redevelopment etc, then they should apply for a deferral for a year or 2.

    People have to pay for their own pool fences, even if they don’t have children of their own to protect. There was no option, no government assistance or payment, people were given notice and they had the pool fence installed, and this was a responsible policy.

    I find it entirely bizarre that the government would insulate the homes of people that are well off. Even those that aren’t well off can get themselves organised if given half a decades notice.

    It is unjustifiable, and if there is a community benefit, then impose the outcome through regulation, not just by spending billions of our taxes.

  142. Tony, on May 7th, 2009 at 9:15 am

    G’day, ToSY, thanks for askin’ after me…

    …been having real difficulty getting to the computer (and especially Blogocrats) these days with having to deal with so much crap (Godfrey Hirst, Telstra, holiday home rental cancellation, Dell {nearly sorted}, teeth {almost sorted}, leaking fish/frog ponds {done!}, mad aunt {finished}, singing gigs, the new band, the list goes on)…

    …can’t keep up with the threads…

    …and I confess I haven’t been “driven” by a lot of the threads…(I know, I know, joni/sreb – I haven’t time to write at the mo’…time management *is* getting better)…

    Couple of weeks and everything should settle down – I hope!

    Had more time when I was working! …and I got paid!

  143. TB…the list goes on …buying a pair of brown velvet flairs…

  144. Thomas, TB looks a treat in his flairs and can still fit into ’em circa ’78 which is a heck of a lot better than you lot will be able to do.

    TB, that’s worth a thread on it’s own. That is if the BlogMasters wouldn’t mind something trivial and anecdotal and which isn’t torture?

    Bestest threads. Mine, circa 1972..denim hotpants with dark blue sheer stockings, white clogs, white bubble top with a white leather hipster belt with a large silver buckle. I can’t remember the hair-do but I think that it was large and fluffy 😉

  145. That’s TB on the right.

  146. And wouldn’t you just love those abs plus the lack of love handles. People were just sooo skinny in those days.

  147. I still have a pair of jeans from over twenty years ago that still fit…I’m still the same weight too.

    Must be from laying all those paving stones…lol!

  148. Absolutely Mr Lovely Legs, I’ve seen the pics 😉

  149. Where’s the sniffling Duck today ?????

  150. Walrus, Migs missus Jedda is still ill but Migs is back at work. I am certain that he will be catching up asap.

  151. Thanks Min……………………..I was more worried about Tom perhaps nodding off asleep in anticipation of Miglo’s appearance.

    So hang in there Tommy boy……………………….!

  152. Allo, allo it’s Walrus. Little Tommy is still fretting about insulation. Just the mention of a Pink Batt will keep him awake to be sure.

  153. Miglo had the sniffles yesterday, and he’s a public servant. This means he’ll be off until mid June.

    I think he’ll use the time to have a new spoiler put on his car, and probably some new fatter wheels.

  154. “I’m still the same weight too”

    Lost 5kg of brain cells though.

  155. Tom, I’ve noticed there is a rattle up there, I wonder if I qualify for an insulation rebate to keep it in place?

  156. Just an indulgence. From the days when ballet was sissy but a couple of dancers managed to cross over, ballet, gymnastics and art. The very very fabulous prima ballerina and later dancer, Cyd Charisse. Amazingly she contracted polio as a child.

  157. “I’ve noticed there is a rattle up there”

    I doubt it. A rattle requires 2 hard surfaces. There is nothing up there but fluff, wooly thinking does not cause any rattle.

  158. I can’t find much about the jobless rate dropping from 5.7 to 5.4 other than brief comments about ‘surprising’. I should imagine that the newspapers (or at least the journos) are running around like chooks with their heads cut off having to rewrite their Headlines.

  159. Tally is currently 399,994 but I have to choof due to dinner duties… Very happy 400,000 to everyone.

  160. Oh Tom, are you trying to butter me up?

    Or is that butler me up???

  161. OK then…………..employment situation has improved. Recession must be over then.

    Could someone please turn the music up a bit and lets all resume dancing and drinking with not a care in the world.

    So from opening of business tomorrow in a Bank near you:

    Bank Customer : Hullo, thank’s for seein’ me and me kids. I’d like to apply for a $800,000 loan.

    Bank Manager: Yes I can see from your application that you want to purchase a house. Lets see…………………No actual savings……………..but that’s OK…………….6 dependant children all under 4 years old……………..that’s lovely………………….I see you are recently divorced………………..so your exhusband and you met in detox I see…………Oh wonderful…………Everyone has to met somewhere though…………I see where it says academic achievements successfully completed you’ve put…………………….Methodone Program………..But that’s OK……………………………………..Current income Nil…………But you are on the Work for the Dole Scheme………….. and you are expecting the Baby Bonus and the First Home Buyers Grant………………………..Oh wonderful…..that’s excellent news.
    Especially the bit about you being currently pregnant with twins.

    Wonderful………………..I’m certain my supervisor reb will approve your loan………………You see his income does depend heavily on lending money out.

    I think he’s out to lunch at the moment……….something about having a few bottles of shiraz to get through before he looks at any applications today.

  162. JONI and SREB

    Congratulations! 400,000 hits – that is FABULOUS!

    Half a million here we come!

    We need to ask those exceptional posters who have left recently to re-consider the contribution that they make to this truly exceptional blog…we’ve lost too many “regulars” who tried to keep us “in line’ – we need you, to keep us balanced guys, please reconsider…

  163. Tony, two links to Julian Simon. Now I understand why you have such ‘faith’ in Plimer’s work. Talk about a prat.

  164. Nature 5,

    Just back from troll classes, I see.

    Why not put forward your learned criticisms of Simon’s work, and let’s see where we go from there.

    (Or haven’t you read what you are so keen to criticise?)

  165. Tony, on May 7th, 2009 at 7:14 pm Said:

    “Just back from troll classes, I see”

    Oh the insults are so easy. Lol. Childish really, but I’m not surprised.

  166. Mole hill, meet Tom.

    Jedda is in transit to Adelaide and I’m about to race outside for a half corona. The first of many, no doubt, during her 5 day absence.

  167. Somebody sent me this little gem today.

    PRESS RELEASE
    SCARE AT ADELAIDE CROWS HEADQUARTERS

    Training at AAMI Stadium was delayed nearly two hours late this morning, after a player reported finding an unknown white powdery substance on the ground.

    Initially the Club thought it was a prank!!

    Coach Neil Craig immediately suspended training, while police and ASIO were called to investigate.

    After a complete analysis, SA Police forensic experts determined that the white substance, unfamiliar to most of the players, was in fact, the goal line.

    Practice was resumed this afternoon after Police & ASIO decided the team was unlikely to encounter the substance again.

  168. *Nature 5, on May 7th, 2009 at 7:03 pm Said:
    Tony, two links to Julian Simon. Now I understand why you have such ‘faith’ in Plimer’s work. Talk about a prat.*

    Just like ABBA – who’s the prat? Tony, Plimer, or Simon?

    Vague as ever with absolutely no commitment…

    …not a troll just a sniper…

  169. Practice was resumed this afternoon after Police & ASIO decided the team was unlikely to encounter the substance again.

    😆

    (Toiletboss is not gonna be happy, Miglo.)

  170. “Oh the insults are so easy. Lol. Childish really, but I’m not surprised.”

    The best laugh I’ve had all day!

  171. “butler”

    Bringing the TV sit com to blogland for the hilarious amusement of us all.

    What wit*

    *please excuse the momentary lapse into rhyming slang

  172. I’m baaaa-aaaack.

  173. Tony, on May 7th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    A Machiavellian visionary might even entertain both theories simultaneously for a not-closed, semi-open system, if they wanted more people to solve the riddles of how to expand environment, resources and nooetic potential through space exploration, harvesting and colonisation, which space really is the ultimate source of the many things taken for granted as being properties of the one space, and for them to have incentive for their focusing their attentions on doing precisely that. Last I checked, too, a goodly proportion of the scientistic caste were very much agreed that things will be getting really, really, really hot aboard the goodship ‘Biosphere One’ in the longer-term, without discounting away any mayhaps or mishaps along the way which could bring existential pressures to fruition that much sooner.

  174. I am not a regular participant here, however I have been popping in occasionally in recent weeks.

    I enjoy reading the commentary and lively exchange of views and opinions and the variety of topics. It is a refreshing change from other blogs.

    However there is one area which concerns me and that is the conduct of one individual which I find highly offensive.

    The person that posts under the name ‘reb’ is oblivious to the sensitivities of others and in particular has a complete disregard for the religious beliefs of other people.

    I have noticed that despite polite requests from other commenters, this individual continues to make highly offensive, rude and dis-respectful comments about the religious beliefs of others and about Christians in particular.

    I find this conduct to be both arrogant, selfish and insulting.

    If you are reading this ‘reb’ I would like you to consider refraining from your immature insults and attacks against religion and christianity so that others may enjoy participating in the forum without being subjected to your unnecessary and unwarranted scorn.

    Thank you.

  175. Hi Kate, we love having your type here. Particularly when you were talking about “the conduct of one individual which I find highly offensive”, I thought you were talking about me!

    Fortunately you were talking about Reb.

    Mainly we agree. He has made some outrageous attacks on God fearing types, including the Pope!

    He is not at all inclined to forgive and forget. He thinks priests should be held to account for the sexually predatory behaviour they exhibited towards children in their care, over many decades.

    Reb simply refuses to turn the other cheek.

    Kate, I’m with you. Let’s join together and tell Reb to get over it.

    Thank you for your contribution and GOD BLESS YOU.

  176. Hello Kate,

    Nice of you to join us and I’m pleased to note that you are a regular viewer of late.

    I’m hoping that we hear more from you as I’m sure that you would have something to offer us.

  177. Hi Kate, we love having your type here. Particularly when you were talking about “the conduct of one individual which I find highly offensive”, I thought you were talking about me!

    I also thought you were talking about Tom. His name came quickly to mind. Other bloggers I had further in mind were Tom, Tom, and Tom.

  178. Yes Miglo.

    Reb, with his groundless resentment towards the paedophiles of the cloth should be held to account by nice people like you, me and Kate.

    Kate, have you ever been to central Australia? Lake Eyre? I have a water front real estate opportunity.

  179. Welcome kate.

    Noone forces anyone to be here & I seriously doubt that reb is “oblivious” at all. Given the level of “interest” that nappy-ocker-christ generated recently I think you can safely say that reb is fully aware that sensitivities have been bruised.

    A sense of humour can come in handy sometimes & if that fails then clicking to a different page won’t.

    I wonder if you are aware that reb, joni & other posters do it for free & have repeatedly invited interested parties to put up their own posts; uncensored.

    If things are to be vetted or sanitised it would be disappointing.

    I like reb’s contributions & see no reason to change them that a cup’o’concrete couldn’t fix.

  180. Miglo.

    I don’t think they’ll be seeing much of the white powder on the goal line this weekend either.

  181. Hello Kate,

    Just a small piece of helpful advice about this blog: most commenters here speak with their tongues firmly in their cheek. There are only two people here who you can take at all seriously, and they are Tom and Miglo.

    If you follow closely what they say, you won’t go far wrong.

  182. I think that Tom has scared Kate off. Annoying people is part of his mission statement.

  183. No Miglo, it cannot be me that scared her off. I took great trouble to agree with her.

    I’ve posted previously that reb has a most ungracious form of commentary when it comes to the priesthood. After all, celibacy for decades is bound to cause all sorts of strange, suppressed sexual behaviour, and the Archbishop of Sydney in particular understand the very nature of this.

    Remember Kate, if you read this, blame Miglo as well as Reb.

  184. Well,well. It wasn’t me getting into trouble.

    Who here is an innocent God fearing person?

  185. Do you think that Sparta is really John Bolton?

  186. I’m not sure that , Kate, knows about, sreb’s, experiences as an altar boy – seems to have had a dramatic influence on the rest of his life – what with the candle(s?) incident and all…

    We could even it up and give Mohammed a bit of a dust up followed by Buddha, Abraham and all the Taoist gods and let’s not forget the Hindi cohort…bloody hell this could keep Blogocrats in business for a thousand years! Speaking of which…

    Heil, sreb! Seig! Heil!

  187. “We could even it up and give Mohammed a bit of a dust up followed by Buddha, Abraham and all the Taoist gods and let’s not forget the Hindi cohort…bloody hell this could keep Blogocrats in business for a thousand years! Speaking of which…”

    No, let’s just keep slandering Christians. It’s just so vogue……Islam is much more tolerant…….

  188. Kate Pierson of West Pennant Hills:

    “The person that posts under the name ‘reb’ is oblivious to the sensitivities of others and in particular has a complete disregard for the religious beliefs of other people….I find this conduct to be both arrogant, selfish and insulting.”

    .
    Didn’t you used to sing with The B-52s?
    .

  189. I’m so glad that was cleared up as at first I thought Kate was talking about Sparta.

    So what’s the story about reb as an altar boy and the candles then……………?

  190. She did play for the B52s.

    “Openly lesbian”!!

    May God forgive her.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Pierson

  191. Kate Pierson of West Pennant Hills, on May 7th, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    Are you religious Kate?

    I doubt that organised religion in this country is going to be faced with extinction and/or bankruptcy due to reb’s commentary here.

    I find it to be very immature and insensitive of christians to demand that others who do not share their faith based beliefs must always show respect and never criticise – yet christians offend us every day with their moral demands of others, hypocritical behaviours and generally talking rubbish.

  192. Looks as if House Rules at the Oz wasn’t hugely impressed with Turnbull’s effort at the National Press Club.

    Most of his speech was rhetorical flummery.

  193. “No, let’s just keep slandering Christians. It’s just so vogue……Islam is much more tolerant…….”sparta

    I for one am more than happy to point out the substantial fantasies of Islam; they are equally as ludicrous as the fantastical insubstance of christianity.

    I invite people of faith to mock my own belief that such faith is violable, I promise not to take affront.

  194. Angel – no-one is a God-fearing innocent here. By definition, under their belief system, the God-fearing persons aren’t innocent.

    And I see Sparta is still insinuating that Christianity gets the most criticism here because some devotees of Islam have a much more aggressive response to certain observations about their religion. Nothing to do with Christianity being the dominant religious influence in Australian culture for most of our lifetimes…and being the dominant *personal* religious influence for many of us. Nothing at all…

  195. “Looks as if House Rules at the Oz wasn’t hugely impressed with Turnbull’s effort at the National Press Club.”

    Min, I just finished watching Malcolm’s excrutiating performance on the 7:30 Report from the other night.
    I’d been lead to believe that it was quite uncomfortable & even accused the government of overt “socialism” BOO.
    My dad reckoned that he actually felt embarrassed for Turnbull while watching it, this is quite a concession coming from my father.

    Have to say that the poor reviews appear to be correct after watching it for myself.

  196. duh, I meant “excreting”…umm, I mean “excruciating” of course.

  197. Yeh

    Don’t get too upset Kate.

    Because God loves him so much Reb’s pitiful soul is gunna be thrown into the burning and flaming cauldron of eternal pain and damnation come Judgement Day.

    God really loves him so much………………..!

  198. “Nothing to do with Christianity being the dominant religious influence in Australian culture for most of our lifetimes…and being the dominant *personal* religious influence for many of us. Nothing at all…”

    Oh, so that explains the selective prejudice….Thanks for clearing that up Lotharsson…Very “progressive” of you indeed….LOL……

  199. IATW….

    …and I’m looking forward to being the Chief Stoker when, sreb, finally joins us down there…! 😉

    Sparta and ‘tother “faithful” – try growing up in the fifties, sixties and seventies and questioning “the faith” or religion as a teenager/twenty year old surrounded by God botherers…

    I still remember being asked my religion in 1969 by a recruiting corporal and when I said “none” – recieving a ‘lecture” on my immorality…

    Works both ways – and its not ridicule – its a sense of wonder that so many intelligent adults “need” (are captive to) religion…so much sadness in the world can’t be good…

  200. Toiletb..either description seems appropriate 😉 I can’t find a link, but I’m sure that I heard Turnbull state (directly from the JWH handbook of trite phrases): A deficit will always be less under a Liberal government. This brought to mind the good old Interest rates will always be less…

  201. Toiletboss,

    “I for one am more than happy to point out the substantial fantasies of Islam; they are equally as ludicrous as the fantastical insubstance of christianity.”

    Now that is a bit more like it…….

  202. “Works both ways – and its not ridicule – its a sense of wonder that so many intelligent adults “need” (are captive to) religion…so much sadness in the world can’t be good…”

    I personally don’t subscribe to any religion but I certainly don’t see the need to ridicule others for what gives them meaning in life. Some have ideology others religion……As long as one’s beliefs aren’t being force upon me, more power to them.

  203. “A deficit will always be less under a Liberal government”

    Joe Hockey trotted that line out on ABC radio this morning (amongst other dribbling nonsense).

    Joe Hockey does himself no favours whenever he’s near a mic.

    He kept referring to the Labor party as “that mob” a term of phrase which I think just serves to demonstrate is own snivelling, disgruntled little personality.

  204. “I certainly don’t see the need to ridicule others for what gives them meaning in life.”

    That’s a level of restraint that I’m unwilling to impose on myself.

  205. Oh, so that explains the selective prejudice.

    I don’t think that last word means what you think it means.

    And your assertion that “Islam” (as a whole, without qualification) is intolerant seems to be an example of the sort of behaviour you’re complaining about when others do it.

    And it’s ironically (and darkly) humorous to hear you characterize it as prejudice when you’re happy to have your country abusively interrogate detainees before there’s reasonable proof that they’re part of a terrorist or insurgent organisation. That is prejudice. Literally – i.e. pre-judging someone or some thing before the evidence is in.

  206. FWIW, I think there’s an important difference between ridiculing beliefs and ridiculing the person holding those beliefs. Unfortunately some people who hold certain beliefs dearly can’t make the distinction.

  207. Oh FFS!

    Do we have to introduce the subject of detainees, interrogation and torture into every single f**king discussion these days….??!!

  208. Turnbull’s use of the “socialism” label in an attempt to turn people off Labor seems to be straight out of the GOP playbook, which is bemusing (a) because it isn’t working so well in the US any more and (b) because it never worked that well here in the first place.

  209. No the ALP aren’t socialists.

    Socialism is entirely unsuitable for a pack of former union hacks, that end up manoeuvring and dealing their way into parliament in order to feed at the public trough.

  210. “I think there’s an important difference between ridiculing beliefs and ridiculing the person holding those beliefs.”

    A valid but perhaps unnecesary distinction.

    I reckon there’s merit in ridiculing both. And if you can’t ridicule one, you may as well ridicule the other.

    Take TB for example. TB blames a lot of today’s financial woes on the younger “must have it now – spending beyond their means” generation.

    Now this is a view that I don’t necessarily agree with, however I respect TB’s right to hold that view, seeing as perhaps it may have some validity. And while I may question TB about the premise upon which this view is based, I don’t think that it is a view which is worthy of scorn or ridicule.

    However, when it comes to TB’s dress sense….

    That’s another story…

  211. reb, I imagine some people feel the same way when you bring up the sins of the priests. Skip it if you don’t care for it.

  212. Talcum declared that the country is being run “by a pack of socialists” on the 7.30 report the other night.

    It was an ill-considered outburst, because really, all it makes one think, is, if the Labor party are “supposedly” a pack of socialists, then what does that make the Liberal Party?

    A pack of fascists.

    Which is increasingly how they seem to come across – particularly with Hockey’s shrill derision of everything the Labor party does.

    The guy’s a nutter…

  213. “I don’t think that last word means what you think it means.”

    No Lotharsson, perhaps you don’t but then again you’re not one for context….LOL….

    “And your assertion that “Islam” (as a whole, without qualification) is intolerant seems to be an example of the sort of behaviour you’re complaining about when others do it.”

    Sarcasm again Lotharsson…due try………

    “And it’s ironically (and darkly) humorous to hear you characterize it as prejudice when you’re happy to have your country abusively interrogate detainees before there’s reasonable proof that they’re part of a terrorist or insurgent organisation.”

    Blah, blah, blah, blah…..Please get some help already….I told you we can continue this soon…The “photos” are sure to give us plenty to “argue” about……

    For you since you are apparently trying to justify “insensitivity”…….

    “That is prejudice. Literally – i.e. pre-judging someone or some thing before the evidence is in.”

    No, more like “a partiality that prevents objective consideration of an issue or situation”

  214. Talcum declared that the country is being run “by a pack of socialists” on the 7.30 report the other night.

    reb, on May 8th, 2009 at 11:12 am Said:

    Yeh………they are so socialist that next week they are taking the axe to welfare programs……..!

  215. Oh dear.

    More of the inconsequential angle of attack from a desperate opposition.

    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25446709-421,00.html

    Rudd is a nasty dummy-spitter, not to mention a socialist (see communist), who can’t be trusted & has no manners blah, blah, blah.

    Everytime Kevin Rudd has a temper tantrum Joe Hockey kills a kitten.

  216. reb, on May 8th, 2009 at 11:09 am

    What a load of bollocks – no wonder you’re going straight to hell…sreb

    …see this is what happens when you don’t have kids and g/kids – I don’t blame them for the actions of The Robber Barons and I’m sure many young people live within their means…I do object to young people blaming the baby boomers for creating …………….ahhh! I see where this is going …stir up the Micks and then have a go at the baby boomers …

    ….or just get under TB’s skin – won’t work, not happening…Latharsson harps about torture (even Sparta’s shut up now) and you engage in it…

  217. the country is being run “by a pack of socialists”

    I’m sure even the Parliamentary Labor Party don’t know what its supposed to be. After all, its leader transformed himself from a “fiscal conservative” to a Keynsian as soon as political expediency demanded it. There certainly didn’t appear to be any philosophical constraints to such a Damascene conversion.

  218. don’t=doesn’t

  219. “Damascene”…………………….?

    Tony………………is that a word…….?

    Should it not be “Damascuscene” or perhaps “Damascusenic”

    Oh………..whatever !!!!!

  220. Sarcasm again…

    Apparently another word that doesn’t mean what you think it means.

  221. IIRC “Damascene” is correct.

  222. And Toiletb, every time Rudd is on a winner such as the fall in unemployment the Liberals attempt to take over the headlines by dragging out ‘a report’ from months and months ago. If this story is true, then why did it take 5 months to surface? All in the timing hey.

  223. And Reb, I am in complete agreement with you about Hockey. It seems these days that every time Joe appears in front of a mic that his voice rises an octave.

  224. “Apparently another word that doesn’t mean what you think it means”

    Please enlighten me……..I do get a kick out of your ego driven confabulations….They bring such a smile to my face…….

  225. Just wondering what our resident gay persons think of the same-sex reforms?

    http://glrl.org.au/index.php/Rights/Relationships/Overview-of-the-Same-Sex-Reforms

  226. “Just wondering what our resident gay persons think of the same-sex reforms?”

    Well TB..? We’re waiting…..

  227. Sparta’s definition of prejudice – at least when he’s accusing someone else of it. It’s not pre-judging someone or something before the evidence is in.

    No, more like “a partiality that prevents objective consideration of an issue or situation”

    You mean, like when someone observes this blog which presents a partiality of the commenter’s views, criticisms and the sources they read, and thus prevents objective consideration of the totality of their views, criticisms and the sources they read?

    So…you’re saying under your own definition you’re prejudiced when you argue that this blog’s partiality shows that some of its commenters don’t have certain views (that might in fact be part of their total set of views), don’t make certain criticisms (that might be expressed elsewhere as part of their total set of criticisms), or don’t read other types of sources (that might in fact be read as part of their total set of sources)?

    Fair enough.

  228. reb, on May 8th, 2009 at 1:55 pm Said:

    LOL! 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

    You are awful…but I like you!

  229. Thank you Reb and TB for some deep and meaningful debate on this issue..and 🙂 back again.

  230. “You are awful…but I like you!”

    Dick Emery TB? Classic stuff…. Gawd I’m showing my age…

    I used to love that show..

  231. Hello,

    Just a quick note to thank you for the welcome messages from Miglo, Tom and the “toiletboss”. I must say it is very heartening to witness so many opinions about the nature of faith. For me it is a very personal relationship. I very often like to hear and share about personal experiences as this brings much pleasure and comfort. I have only recently learned to use the computer from my son who has been “showing me the ropes” so to say. I was not aware that “reb” was once an alter boy, and if he has been harmed in any way in the past, then I do hope that he finds peace and comfort in the arms of the Lord. Reb, I can now understand why you may feel so much anger and resentment, but sometimes we must move on from things that have happened in the past and open a new page in another chapter of our lives. I notice that you have not responded to my comments and now with the knowledge that has come to light, I can understand that this might be a difficult and sensitive issue for you. One thing I know, is that we should not judge our fellow man by their weaknesses. They will face judgement by a higher power when their time comes to pass. Please do not let things that may have happened in the past stop you from having a joyful, meaningful life in the future. I am not related to the Kate Pierson of the musical group “B52” however I have been a member of the Australian Country Women’s Association singing group in Bathurst, but that was quite some time ago. Now I just enjoy listening to my old favourites when ever I have a moment. God Bless.

  232. Kate, great post. I’d really appreciate it if you reb would make you one of the authors!

    I’m so glad to hear that you aren’t the lesbian singer with the B52s. Not that there is anything wrong with lesbians or homosexuals. No. I have nothing at all against homosexuals, nothing. Heavens, I even let one of them cut my hair!

    And God Bless you too!!!

  233. sreb – AKA – Kate Pierson (the CWA was a dead giveaway…)

    If I’m wrong, sreb, I think you should explain about the candles (particularly the size and length and the difficulty you and the priest had in holding on to them) just to clarify the situation for, Kate…

    …and,sreb, I do believe that, Kate, is beginning to understand your inner turmoil – an open heart does make things better…

    … as Matthew Johns (and his brother John) have both discovered over the last decade… well maybe in the last 15 months or so at least…

    …love, joy and peace to you all…

    Christmas is coming, the goose is getting fat, please put a penny in the old man’s hat, if you ain’t got a penny, an ha’penny’ll do, if you ain’t got a penny well f**k you (old Yorkshire, caroller’s rhyme)…

  234. Please enlighten me….

    Well, sarcasm doesn’t mean “My position is invulnerable to your criticism because I used sarcasm and therefore by definition you misinterpreted me”.

    Sarcasm means “irony used in a cutting or bitter manner”. Irony means deliberately saying something you don’t mean, and which is intended to be read that way by most to make a point about what you do mean.

    You make statements with apparent sarcastic (and hence ironic intent). Other people including myself interpret them as if they were intended to be ironic, to which you have a tendency to respond some times by saying in effect “but I didn’t mean what you think I did because I was being sarcastic”.

    Well, yeah, we understood that. You seem to have missed that we got the sarcasm and irony bit.

    Under those circumstances feel free to man up and clarify your position if you reckon it’s being misinterpreted, rather than hiding your dog whistles behind a cry of “sarcasm”.

  235. Your a one man fighting machine Lotharsson.

    Cheers for some off the things you have mentioned.
    I know you stepped out to say it.

  236. They will face judgement by a higher power when their time comes to pass.

    Actually, I would rather they face the judgement of the people in a court of law and then some jail time in the here and now.

    Judgement by a non existent ‘higher power’ would be no punishment at all, what a laugh!

  237. Lotharsson, at least, might appreciate re-visiting one alleged reporting of ‘enhanced interrogation’, to compare with the later-emerging top 10 list, and again for comparison with how stringent a standard the health-and-wellness musings of John Yoo commited to memoranda vis-a-vis Appendix M might or might not have been, depending on characterisations and (re-)purposes.

  238. “Well, sarcasm doesn’t mean “My position is invulnerable to your criticism because I used sarcasm and therefore by definition you misinterpreted me”.”

    I am really beginning to think you are off your flipping rocker….I wasn’t attacking any particular person’s position, or taking one specifically with that comment, simply making a personal observation as this is a BLOG. An observation/bit of sarcasm for which you substantiated no doubt, with your moronic reply apply about your country’s dominant religion…Since you seem incapable of keeping track on any given post I will revisit it for you….

    My latest comment in which you have decided to “pick another” fight over as you obviously have nothing better to do with your time:
    No, let’s just keep slandering Christians. It’s just so vogue……Islam is much more tolerant…….

    “And your assertion that “Islam” (as a whole, without qualification) is intolerant seems to be an example of the sort of behaviour you’re complaining about when others do it.”

    Sarcasm again Lotharsson…due try………

    “Sarcasm means “irony used in a cutting or bitter manner”. Irony means deliberately saying something you don’t mean, and which is intended to be read that way by most to make a point about what you do mean.”

    From Websters Dictionary: “a taunting or caustic remark, GENERALLY ironic.” Apparently you seem to think “irony and sarcasm” are synonymous?

    “You make statements with apparent sarcastic (and hence ironic intent). “Other people including myself interpret them as if they were intended to be ironic, to which you have a tendency to respond some times by saying in effect “but I didn’t mean what you think I did because I was being sarcastic”.”

    Who are these “other people” you are always purportedly speaking for? I am beginning to really think you are troubled…..Anyway; it is my style as yours is to be a pest. Besides, your interpretations of my comments are usually incorrect but again, perhaps it has something to do with you just trying to find “argument” in everything I post which explains your pattern of ineptitude. I thought you weren’t going to “engage” me anymore? Seems you have impulse control issues as well…….

    “Well, yeah, we understood that. You seem to have missed that we got the sarcasm and irony bit.”

    Now you’re qualifying/admitting the two as having separate but similar meanings and that you now really understood my statement to begin with and this whole latest piece of tripe has been about what? Oh yes, just being a pest….What did you say again:

    “Apparently another word that doesn’t mean what you think it means”

    But I thought “we got it” so yes, you (and whoever else you are referring to) actually seemed to have “missed it completely” or “got it” or both now? Again, please find a life….I realize you have some pent up frustration left over from the “torture” debate but do try and channel it elsewhere…..”Stalking me” is not going to bring you “closure”.

    “Under those circumstances feel free to man up and clarify your position if you reckon it’s being misinterpreted, rather than hiding your dog whistles behind a cry of “sarcasm”.

    In regards to your comments, I am done pointing out your imbecility….Besides, visiting a blog in which 99.9% of those participating strongly disagree with me on just about every position is hardly “hiding”, that’s what you’re doing here no less. If and when the “boys” get the time or interest in posting something on “Islam” I will be more than happy to give my opinion as I have on “enhanced interrogation techniques”… ………LOL……

    Now, since I have no intention of wasting any more time on you, please deliver your “crushing” response in regards to your latest “fanciful recollection” of events; as I know your ego refuses to let me have the last word. Right now you’re just boiling over, trying to wiggle out of your latest display of stupidity….Your next rationalization will be “ it depends on what the definition of “is” is”……LOL……

  239. Legion, thanks, I’ll take a look at that link later.

    FWIW, there also seems to be some mildly renewed interest in there about the reports (IIRC from official sources, but not necessarily intended for public consumption at the time they were written, but some parts of which have apparently since been corroborated) of a significant number of detainee homicides in custody. Most appear to have never been thoroughly investigated by the authorities. Some investigations are reported to have started and then apparently suddenly stopped. IIRC one particular case went to proceedings and the four servicemen involved were found guilty and got a slap on the wrist. In another case the detainee died because he was internally poisoned by muscle death byproducts because his legs had been beaten to a pulp over several days – the report said it looked like they had been run over by a truck.

  240. Sparta, what a cop-out.

    You claim weren’t attacking any one’s position – you were just making a sarcastic comment (which you define as taunting and caustic, but maybe not necessarily ironic), but not for the purposes of disagreement? Er…in that case, you do realise you’ve been doing sarcasm wrong the whole time?

    But never mind. I’ll just treat your “sarcasm” as primary school taunting rather than an attempt to advocate a position – which seems to me be accurate enough.

  241. “but maybe not necessarily ironic), but not for the purposes of disagreement?”

    Geez, you cannot possibly be this flipping stupid? Been trolling I see with a response in record time….

    “Er…in that case, you do realise you’ve been doing sarcasm wrong the whole time?”

    You do realize you are talking out your ass once again and aside from your “opinoin” which isn’t much you haven’t established anything other than the fact that you clearly have problems comprehending even basic prose….Perhaps you should stop tyring to pass yourself off as something your not….. Reminds me of the 4 year old that keeps asking “but why” to every answer you give them…..

    “But never mind. I’ll just treat your “sarcasm” as primary school taunting rather than an attempt to advocate a position – which seems to me be accurate enough.”

    Sigh……please do whatever you have to do to feel you are superior and not that idiot you clearly are. Oh yes, I can make a sarcastic statement without qualification and not entertaining the comments to your challenges, which are clearly just an attempt to be annoying doesn’t change the fact it is sarcasm…..but taunting yes, much like the statements being made about Chritianity, which was the point of the “sarcasm”…..Oh wait I am sorry, it is the “dominant” religion in Australia hence why “we” are justified in making “sarcastic” comments “ourselves” without getting clearance from the “Lot”, as that is the qualification…….LOL….Bed time yet little one…………

  242. And that’s why we did the modelling last week and the week before, and DNFTT. Chirp.

  243. Call the authorities….the original “stalker” is here….Ping-pong, ping-pong….LOL…….

  244. Indeed, racket games 101. A low-order mix of ‘RAPO’ and ‘NIGYYSOB’ being today’s attempt; with a dash of alter. Not that calling out my name for days across multiple threads could realistically be taken as legitimate ‘anti-stalker’ behaviour. Please, Legion, give me some (negative) attention. Chirp. And that’s all you’re getting from me, today or ever, if it gives you a ‘kick’ or a wittle ‘smile’. 😉

  245. Indeed, racket games 101.

  246. Yes….you haven’t been “chimming” in regularly or anything…..nope just ‘me calling out your name”…can you say delusional……..LOL…….

  247. “And that’s all you’re getting from me, today or ever, if it gives you a ‘kick’ or a wittle ’smile’.”

    One of the first coherent post’s you have made! I was beginning to think you had suffered some damage to your superior temporal gyrus/a.k.a “Werincke’s area”….That is, if you speak anything like you write…..LOL……

  248. Kate,

    Thank you for your kind thoughts. It is reassuring to hear that you were once a member of the Country Women’s Association. I thought they were just a pack of old bags, but I understand that they also do a lot of good work for charity n’ stuff, and can whip up a batch of scones quicker than you can say fanny’s yer aunt.

    Such a shame that you no longer sing with them – but they were probably rotten anyway – so perhaps it’s for the best.

    The “candle incident” still weighs heavily on my heart. I’ll never be able to look at another one quite the same way, but with your reassurance that the good Lord will comfort and guide me, perhaps I won’t have to.

    Peace be with you.

  249. Sparta, saying it doesn’t make it so, however fervently you wish it does.

    Your defense of unsarcastic reasoned criticism of your sarcastic critical comments has been almost entirely “but it’s sarcasm”, the implication that that fact puts your comments beyond criticism or even interpretation by anyone else other than you.

    And this is not the first time you’ve used that pattern.

    You’re acting in some respects like a bully does. You can dish it out, but you can’t take it.

  250. Lotharsson,

    “You’re acting in some respects like a bully does. You can dish it out, but you can’t take it.”

    It has nothing to do with being a “bully” or whether I can “take it”. Please, this is a blog not “boot camp” or “the DMZ” again…..For starters you can hardly claim the high ground on the bully factor. In fact, I challenge you to find one post in which I have “initiated” such discourse in our case. You have taken it upon yourself to “attack” me from the get go and I in turn have responded accordingly. If it is a civil discourse you seek then perhaps you should start by adjusting your own tone. If you take issue with a post of mine then take issue in a “civilized” manner and I will respond as such, that I can promise you. It would be far more constructive and less painful for others who might actually have an interest in any one topic we might be discussing if we could refrain from descending into the mud…….

  251. Reb…ummm, I crochet and knit too. And for anti-cancer, cos of my Dad died from prostate cancer and all that.

    I don’t sing at all but my daughters do. Youngest does Morris Dancing and performs for charity.

    I’m not a member of the CWA. However as penance, I dare you to watch the English movie Calendar Girls.

  252. Sparta, you need to learn that generally it’s not about you as a person. It’s about your positions and the way you express them. If you can’t distinguish the two, you can’t have a civilized debate because you treat every disagreement as a personal attack.

    Note your language here – as only one example. You say I have taken it upon myself to “”attack” you….”. It’s not an attack on you, it’s disagreement with and criticism of what you say and sometimes how you say it. If anyone else posted the same stuff in the same way, I’d generally have the same response. Take a look at my comments back on Tim Dunlop’s site if you don’t believe me.

    Try dispassionately looking at a bunch of your comments on different threads. Analyze the language in each to determine whether you are responding to criticism as if it were a personal attack or as a disagreement with your position. You might be surprised at what you find.

    When I say “you can dish it out, but you can’t take it”, I didn’t
    mean anything to do with “boot camp” or the “DMZ” or any form of physical behavior. I meant that you freely dish out your criticism of people’s positions and behaviour on this blog. But you generally can’t take criticism of your positions or behaviour on this blog. What’s good for the goose seems to really upset the gander.

    And worse still, your criticisms tend to have a nasty or sarcastic edge from the very beginning, but even calm reasoned non-malicious disagreement with your positions seems to rapidly become unacceptable to you. (This seems especially true if someone is trying to tease out insinuations that you appear to be making, but don’t want to make openly.)

    I’m all for civilized discourse, and most of the time I try to uphold that ideal, although I’m not perfect in that regard. But you need to look in the mirror when you talk about civilized discourse, as you are generally very fast and free with personal insults, name-calling and denigration. Try taking a dispassionate look through a couple of threads and trace the level of civility in comments directed to you and made by you, bearing in mind that disagreement with your positions or expressions thereof is not a personal attack.

    In fact, I challenge you to find one post in which I have “initiated” such discourse in our case.

    You’ve missed the point I was making. (And “he started it” is a typical juvenile defense. Most people stop using that in early teenager-hood.)

    When I said that you couldn’t take what you dish out, I didn’t mean to imply that it was about the same person you dished it out to dishing it back to you. This is a public forum. Anyone can reply to any comment anyone here makes to anyone else. If you can’t live with that, perhaps you should stop posting in a public forum and start private conversations instead.

  253. “You’ve missed the point I was making. (And “he started it” is a typical juvenile defense. Most people stop using that in early teenager-hood.)”

    Let me understand you, if you initiate an “argument” with a nasty tone it is “my responsibility” to behave accordingly, regardless? I am sorry, but the world doesn’t work that way, especially with this type of media. Besides, I have tried that approach with a particularly nasty individual here and it only encourages them.

    “This is a public forum. Anyone can reply to any comment anyone here makes to anyone else. If you can’t live with that, perhaps you should stop posting in a public forum and start private conversations instead.”

    What is your point? Are you under the assumption this enlightening? Again, you are the one seeking me out and making it a point to make “snide” remarks directed at my positions, which unless you’re not human, most will take personally? Perhaps you should grow a “thicker skin” if you’re going to frequent this “forum”. You imply I shouldn’t be taking things to personally? Clearly you’re not the same person I have been going “back-fourth” with then. Aside from you and another, especially as of late, I don’t have such exchanges so I am not sure what you’re on about…..One more time, if you can’t handle “my style” then stop trying to pick a fight (like an adolescent) with me/or my positions or whatever you claim now it is your really addressing…..I don’t mind people disagreeing with me/my position, in fact I expect it here but you seem to be incapable of letting a disagreement stand…The “torture” obsession comes to mind……I attempted multiple times to declare an “impasse” but you simply refuse to except that not everybody shares your opinion…..The typical, “why can’t you see” the “real” truth routine. One more time, if I or “my positions” bring out the worse in you, since now you are implying it is not me, which is a ridiculous notion, then DON’T POST in response. Unless you simply lack the ability to control such an impulse, well then there is nothing I can do to help you. I am familiar with your “type” Lotharsson, you are so convinced of your position being supreme you simply cannot “handle” others disagreeing…..You must come to accept something, there are millions that disagree with you just as there are millions who take issue with my stances, accept it……..I do? If I was an individual that simply couldn’t “handle people disagreeing”, why would I come here? You are the one hanging out where “most” share your opinion, not the other way around. So who really can’t handle criticism here?

    Now can we move on already……..

  254. Let me understand you, if you initiate an “argument” with a nasty tone it is “my responsibility” to behave accordingly, regardless?

    Sorry, I appear to have misinterpreted that comment of yours that I quoted (“I challenge you to find one…”). It appears you are saying that I was *always* the one to use a tone that you found offensive before you started name-calling, denigration etc. In which case, I suggest you go back and read threads in which we’ve had discourse more carefully.

    And then there’s my pretty straightforward flat-toned response to you here, stating (as I reiterated above) that it’s not YOU I’m responding to, it’s a response to things I think are mistaken – a behaviour that’s pretty common and generally non-malicious on public blogs. In response you call me an ass and use that to justify being nasty.

    I’m sure you can find more if you try. That’s the first example I came across inside two minutes just on this thread.

    Believe what you want about how you operate. And feel free to blame me for it all (after all, you already are), and then take your own advice and ignore my comments. But whatever you do, don’t Google “psychological projection”.

  255. “I’m sure you can find more if you try. That’s the first example I came across inside two minutes just on this thread.”

    Yes, if we are going to “cherry pick” randomly it will not be hard to find many such instances that support either one of our claims but try going back to the “beginning” of any one of our bitter exchanges and I challenge you to find one instance in which “you didn’t” initiate the crass discourse. This latest claim, like your arguments, often lack context…….

    “Believe what you want about how you operate. And feel free to blame me for it all (after all, you already are), and then take your own advice and ignore my comments. But whatever you do, don’t Google “psychological projection”.”

    Some of us don’t depend on Google…However; the evidence is all over this blog. Do I get “nasty” at times, sure but you will never admit such behavior yourself. Nor do any here ever point out such behavior when it’s somebody who’s position they agree with, typical. You’re simply incapable of admitting fault or conceding a point when made, that much is apparent. Blaming you, now you’re playing the innocent “victim”? Hey, whatever helps you sleep at night….I simply suggest you avoid me but again, you seem incapable of resisting the limbic brain…….Perhaps you should Google “Denial, Fixation & Regression”……….LOL

  256. You’re simply incapable of admitting fault or conceding a point when made, that much is apparent.

    Funny, I’m sure I do that much of the time – when the point is actually made or fault is apparent. (I just accepted that I misinterpreted your earlier remark in the comment to which you just responded. That is an example of admitting fault, no? Will you admit that your claim that I never admit fault is false then?)

    The trouble is you generally think your arguments are a slam dunk when mostly they are not. They are frequently either in the gray area where it’s a matter of opinion or the evidence isn’t strong enough for a definitive conclusion, or they are clearly based on logical fallacy or known falsehood.

    But I am struggling to remember you conceding a point. Not even “I never claimed to be a lawyer” when the evidence that you did was provided to you plain as day, and it would have had little negative impact on the argument you were trying to make. You simply shift the focus of discussion somewhere else and throw in a few insults and provocative comments as a smokescreen. And others have called you out for exactly this behaviour in the past.

    Sparta, I don’t know what you think is “nasty” or a “nasty tone” and what is not. Feel free to clarify what you think is “nasty” and what is acceptable discourse in a political blog. Quote examples if you like…especially ones that support your contention that I start out disagreements with you “nasty”. Maybe that will help us understand each other.

    And feel free to elaborate on your morals that seem to include “If he wasn’t polite first, I can be nasty back”. And that even seems to include “If he argues with my positions because he disagrees with them, that makes him a legitimate target for name-calling” aka “Could you be more of an ass?”. Correct me if that’s wrong.

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