Rodney Rudd

The comedian Rodney Rude is well known for his “blue” routine, but more and more evidence seems to be coming to light indicating that Kevin Rudd is also quite “blue” in public.

Yesterday while walking home I was listening to ABC 702, where a discussion was being had on comparisons between the approval ratings of Hawke and Rudd, and whether this indicated that we have changed as a nation. One of the panel said that there was less difference between Hawke (who was considered a “bloke”) and Rudd (who is considered a “nerd”) – and the similarity was in the language that both used. I do not think it would come as a surprise to find that Hawke would use the F-word liberally, but I think people would be surprised (?) to find that Rudd used it liberally too.

And then this morning we have this story:

PRIME Minister Kevin Rudd has downplayed reports that he reduced a young female RAAF cabin attendant to tears with a tirade of abuse because he did not get a meal he wanted during a VIP flight.

This is not the sort of behaviour we should expect from our politicians. We did not tolerate Belinda Neal for her behaviour and we should not tolerate Rudd for this type of behaviour.

One thing that you could be assured of, John Howard would never have acted like this in public.

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139 Responses

  1. One thing that you could be assured of, John Howard would never have acted like this in public.

    Joni, apart from the ‘shitstorm’ comment, I’m not sure Rudd has been abusive or used blue language in public. The flight attendant thing occured on an RAAF flight, not a public one. I’m not saying that it’s acceptable but fair go, he is the PM, he has a right to get pissed off if he can’t get a decent feed on his own plane. I suspect the poor girl was more upset that she had annoyed the PM and thought she would lose her job rather than being upset about the ‘abuse’ directed at her for not being able to serve a particular meal. Besides, he apologised to her. Storm in a F’n tea cup if you ask me.

    As for being surprised that Rudd swears… not me. I’m more surprised is people don’t swear these days.

    Oh, and so as not to be part of an echo chamber, I would have said the same about Howard.

  2. The whole thing strikes me as an entire media beat up by the Liberal party smear squad.

    I mean really, is this the best they can come up with ..?

    And there was that fat f**ker Hockey on Sunrise, shaking his head in disgust “I hope this is just a one-off, a one-off, a one-off” he kept repeating like some lecherous, self-sanctimonious old slag.

  3. reb

    Hockey is a f’n idiot – hhe’s giving a great game a bad name. I have got to the point where he can’t sink any lower in my estimation of him but then he goes and opens his mouth and a new low is reached – Even Bishop wasn’t as bad as Joe.

  4. Umm..a RAAF ‘flight attendant’. There are RAAF Flight Officers, there are RAAF Flight Sergeants, there are RAAF Leading Aircraftmen/women. However, they are most definitely not ‘flight attendants’.

  5. Min,

    “RAAF cabin attendant” was what the article said. I suspect it is a position exclusive to the PM’s jet.

  6. Dave..it’s not an RAAF rank (Min the military mum). The only thing that I can think of is that cabin staff were not enlisted personnel but were provided via outsourcing. Either that or the newspapers got it wrong and just called the person who was an aircraftman/woman (equivalent to private or ordinary seaman) a flight attendant, not knowing the correct rank.

    I cannot imagine enlisted personnel being so incompetant as to not have followed a simple request re no red meat (it’s says ‘diet’ but perhaps due to Lent??). And so it seems to me, that the stuff up occurred due to outsourcing from the military. And this is of course big bikkies re stuff-ups re military pay also.

  7. I reckon we should go on strike against the lousy Liberals . No more patronising them with responses to their tawdry ‘Talking Points’.

  8. There’s a reason I don’t attend Mass anymore, well a few reasons. One of the biggest ones though is the anger I used to feel when I looked at those in the front row, heads bowed, models of piety, and measured that with their actions in business and socially outside of church. I don’t know if these actions of Rudd necessarily reflect on his fitness for office as PM, but what they do reflect on his what he is like as a bloke. He is a f*ckwit, even more so because of his pretence that he is not.

  9. Last week it was his shoes. This week it’s his language.

    Next week the Libs will open a new front: His waist line.

    Seriously though, it’s prolly better if Kev puts a sock in it in terms of invective. We are, after all, in the New Metrosexual Century, one in which the colourful language of the lads of the ’80’s (like Sid Vicious and RJL Hawke) is less than welcome.

    I mean, fu*king no-one swears these days, do they?

  10. I’m with you reb. A total non-event.

    Why do we even have a post on it?

  11. Why do we even have a post on it?

    It’s frontpage headlines on all the major online papers. No doubt there will be those who think “oh yes, isn’t he awful”.

    I think Dave55 is probably right in thinking that perhaps the attendant was upset out of fear of losing her job for upsetting the PM than anything the PM actually said.

    But then of course, it’s all pure speculation..

  12. James. I would suggest..who is the f*wit and who later apologied for losing his temper, or the f*wit who leaked this non-story to the press in the first place? After all, if this is RAAF personnel, then the story came from somewhere.

  13. Let’s cut to the fairytale: DRAGON devours damsel. Slay the DRAGON!

  14. It just reeks of beat up. Just watch how it pans out. By then it will have served its purpose because these guys work on a 24 hour news cycle.

  15. The PM’s chief spin doctor, Lachlan Harris, initially tried to cover up the incident with a flat denial that it had even occurred.

    But the report by the Commander of the VIP fleet, Group Capt Peter Wood, leaves no doubt about Mr Rudd’s behaviour.

    ‘No doubts’ are the playthings of NLP ninjas and spin doctors. Who said there were ‘no doubts’? Captain Wood, the author, or the author’s handler? And straight past the first filter that command is meant to go.

  16. But Reb..she is RAAF, she can’t lose her job because she is enlisted personnel. Or maybe she isn’t and the whole thing is a beat-up.

  17. I’ve never felt the need to abuse or even complain to someone who serves me food in a restaurant or a cafe or a shop, pub or whatever. It’s the type of job that, given the number of dickheads a person has to deal with in any given day, would try the patience of a saint.

    I don’t think there’s anything much to this story, just an illustration of another facet of Rudd’s persona and, however unpleasant we may or may not find it, doesn’t really have any wider implications beyond giving his critics something to criticise and bang on about for a few weeks rather than actually deal with matters of substance.

    Whether it’s a “left” or a “right” politician, I really do wish the media would stop obsessing over trivialities such as these. It’s not as if he’s accused a High Court judge of trawling for rent boys or has been found out getting himself some pork on the side whilst railing against declines in moral standards and such forth.

    He does claim he apologised for it at the time, which is about all a person could be expected to do, whoever they may be and whatever role they may have. It’s not as if he demanded a resignation and generally carried on denying it for ages, which is a little different from Neal’s case.

    And it wouldn’t surprise me to learn at some point in the future that No Drama Obama has let fly with a few choice words at times and dragged a few people over the coals.

    We should cut all politicians a little slack on “issues” like this – I think it says more about our own unrealistic expectations rather than anything else.

    Hell, if I had to deal with some of the “big issue” things these people are confronted with on a daily basis, I’d be bluer than Gordon Ramsey.

    Hang on …

    Where’d my cynicism go?

    Oh, there it is … it’s down there …

    Nah, screw him. He oughta be shot.

    And his remains fed to budgerigars.

  18. Min, Rudd has quite an amount of form on this. And the apology I heard was not an apology at all. If this story were a one off, I reckon I’d ignore it. But it follows a number of episodes of rage and bullying. We abhor this sort of behaviour from rock stars and sportsmen and women. We don’t call the leakers of those stories “f*ckwits*. Here’s how an “adult” with diplomatic skills might have handled it…..”Excuse me, Toots*, I can’t eat red meat. I did say that. Would you mind bringing me something else? Now, back to (insert serious govt business here)……”

    One type of person I can’t stand is a bully. Kevin Rudd is a bully. Another type of person I can’t stand is a phony. Rudd is one of those also.

    *Before the sisters go off at my chauvanism, this is a joke referencing Rudd’s Scores episode…..ok?

  19. Given recent form from the Libs it definitely smells like a beatup, however…

    If it is indeed substantiated I take a dim view of such discourtesy. Not the swearing, all of my working life (& much of my education prior) has been spent in coarse environs; swearing is a part of my can-do-f@ck-you attitude, cultivated alongside my peers.
    The abuse, ie. reducing someone to tears in the line of their duties, simply isn’t necessary.

    Then again perhaps the affronted individual is easily upset & needs a nice cup o’ concrete & harden the f@ck up? Who’s to say?

    A moot point really if it’s just another lazy effort by the Libs to dent the popularity of Honeymooning Rudd.

  20. I think that this one of those situations where you just had to be there. Rudd abuses RAAF flight attendant (when there is no such rank). RAAF flight attendant (lass only 23yrs) is reduced to tears..doesn’t much sound like RAAF personnel to me.

    It’s yet another example of the incompetance of the Defence Department, especially via the previous goverment’s decision to outsource. This decision causes grief and heartache to defence families on a daily basis. A recent example is the stuff up re SAS pay.. responsibility for which is outsourced.

    I shouldn’t imagine that Rudd called anyone ‘toots’. This is your imagination.

    James, you don’t know Rudd. The only information that you have is what the press choose to feed to you. I would take it all with a big grain of salt.

  21. Min

    A “grain of salt”? I asked for pepper not salt!

    hehe

    (squishy hugs)

  22. “A moot point really if it’s just another lazy effort by the Libs to dent the popularity of Honeymooning Rudd.”

    Well said Toiletboss. You don’t beat around the Bush.
    N’

  23. Ross Sharp, on April 3rd, 2009 at 11:34 am Said: And his remains fed to budgerigars.

    Ross..budgeriars are vegetarians.

  24. Hasn’t taken long for the arrogance of our new government to kick in…

    …even quicker than John Howard & The Private School Bullies…

    …I do’t care which party you support, bad manners are generally unsupportable and at the PM level impossible to condone…

    …power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely…

    if the cabin crew member (whatever rank) had been one of my family I would have been furious…at her treatment…

    …bit of role modelling wouldn’t go astray, Kevin…(explains the Belinda Neal approach to restaurant staff too)

    …34 Squadron personnel are selected to serve VIPs…so I should imagine, pretty, bloody good – even for the RAAF…

    (…sorry, guys, as an ex member of The Green Machine I couldn’t resist…powder blue was never my colour…)

    PS – to the deniers/defenders – the story is based upon a Group Captain’s Field Report – hardly a Liberal Party beat-up…as those ex RAAF Blogocrats would well know…

  25. TB: I believe that the scenario was that our PM asked, I wouldn’t mind my dinner soon. Young person burst into tears and said that she didn’t know where the dinner was. And that’s about it.

  26. Min – This photo from the “Air Force News” may give a clue to the rank of the RAAF “flight attendants”.

    The photo caption reads:

    Leading Aircraftwoman Kara Lukeman and Leading Aircraftman Geoff Stinson prepare drinks in the galley of a Challenger as part of their crew attendant duties

    I found it here: http://www.defence.gov.au/news/raafnews/editions/4521/features/feature03.htm

  27. “Whether it’s a “left” or a “right” politician, I really do wish the media would stop obsessing over trivialities such as these.”

    Ross, they’ve got to find some way to pay those massive bills. They’ll just about print & run any HYPERBOLE story to HOOK the readers in.

    About 80% of newspaper revenue comes from advertising, and the Newspaper Association of America expects those sales to drop 9.7% in 2009 to $34.2 billion, after falling 16.5% in 2008.

    “Advertising has fallen off a cliff,” says Randy Bennett, senior vice president of business development at the NAA. “The question is how much of that will come back when things pick up again. And the expectation is, certainly not all of it.”

    (Newspaper closings raise fears about industry, By David Lieberman, USA TODAY, 19th March 09)

    SHOW ME THE MONEY

    N’

  28. Oh, I just noticed that his office did try to deny it.

    That’ll teach me for not paying attention.

    I should have read about the issue in greater depth. I should’ve devoted hours to it …Goddammit, I’ve been wrong on the internet!

    Stand by as world asplodes in furious debate.

  29. I do’t care which party you support, bad manners are generally unsupportable and at the PM level impossible to condone…TB

    I agree TB, & I’m not defending the PM (or anyone else in similar circumstances) if this story is legit.

    I’m just very wary of the angle from the opposition, I trust them little. If there wasn’t so much crying wolf whenever they think that they’ve got the gov in the crosshairs I’d be less cynical about the veracity of this aero-abusegate.

    That said, if it’s true I agree with your contention that…

    Hasn’t taken long for the arrogance of our new government to kick in…

    …even quicker than John Howard & The Private School Bullies…

    I don’t appreciate condescension from those in positions of authority, I could care less which political stripe runs down their back.

  30. Ross..budgeriars are vegetarians.

    So says you, Min. Just you wait … you’ll be out and about la-la-la’ing about the beauty of the birds in the trees and, just when you least expect it, a rare species of rabid budgie will swoop down and pick at your belly-button till they get to the intestines and chow down with glee.

    Don’t trust the budgie! They’re evil little f**kers.

    By the way, did you know that Anatidaaephobia is the fear of being followed by a duck?

    Birds are bad.

  31. Ross, got it wro-o-ong, nananana-na! 😆

    TBoss – agree, we do have bigger fish to fry – other than this nonsense…bit like fiddling, while the world burns…

  32. “Birds are bad.”

    I agree.

    Birds are like horses without hooves, or manes, or external ears, or teeth.
    Also, they are much less useful as craybait.
    & you can’t ride them to freedom…

    Never trust a bird that shows you the whites of its eyes.

  33. One thing that you could be assured of, John Howard would never have acted like this in public.

    No, you would never hear of it because it would not have got out to the media, everything was so carefully crafted and controlled. The compliant media would not have written of Howard’s tanty’s or the reporter would never be included in Howard’s briefings again.

    If it was Howard, the offending personnel would have been quietly sacked, all out of the spotlight.

  34. Toiletb..birds don’t have whites in their eyes. Only mammals do.

  35. How hard is it to get the right meal to the PM on a VIP flight?

    No wonder the rest of us have lousy service.

  36. “If it was Howard, the offending personnel would have been quietly sacked, all out of the spotlight”

    Indeed. Just ask Andrew Wilkie.

  37. “If it was Howard, the offending personnel would have been quietly sacked, all out of the spotlight.”

    Or as he ran from the plane.

    N’

  38. I have it on good advice that the duck doesn’t necessarily have to rabid in order to commence an out-and-out attack.

    If you resemble a piece of bread, or resemble someone that could be carrying some on your person, you could be fatally attacked without warning.

    Ducks are suspicious and aggressive little f**kers and often travel in gangs. They know how to get organised and can kill innocent bystanders at will – anytime, anywhere.

    Mess with them at your peril.

  39. And Kitty..and no wonder outsourcing keeps stuffing up..the other recent example being Defence pay (as per the SAS). THREE MONTHS (an umpteen phone calls) for son to have his rental assistance organised after being transferred from Sydney to the patrol boats. This is enlisted personnel.

  40. This is old news anyway, incident happened early in the year, in January – so who is desperate to have Rudd seen in a bad light? Or more defence force hijinks ‘cos they and especially the higher up bigwigs are getting ‘reformed’ – losing valets, cooks, butlers etc.

    PM apologises for mid-air meltdown

  41. “Indeed. Just ask Andrew Wilkie.”

    reb, I take it you don’t mean this Andrew Wilkie?:

    8)

    N’

  42. By the way, did you know that Anatidaaephobia is the fear of being followed by a duck?

    Any particular duck, Ross?

  43. Toiletb..birds don’t have whites in their eyes. Only mammals do.

    Bah! another bird apologist!
    Everybody knows that the evil birdtypes have white demonspots at the rear of their eyeballs which rotate forward as they close in for attack.

    Especially prevalent in ducks I’m told.

    This is old news anyway, incident happened early in the year, in January KL

    That puts things in better perspective for me KL.

    Given the timeline I’d have to conclude a certain cynical opportunism on the part of political enemies in bringing this to the public eye now.
    Perhaps because Rudd appears to be milking some kudos (& perhaps the subsequent rise in popularity) from the G20. Any mud that may stick is being thrown by a desperate opposition?

    Not to excuse the original act, whenever it may have occurred, should it prove to be true.

  44. Crows are evil birds. Evil. Pure evil.

  45. The story served its purpose here in Australia where the ‘trivia’ trumps the ‘serious’ almost every time. All week, the Australian MSM told us that the G20 would fall in a heap, that the French wouldn’t sign and the Germans would decamp.

    When their speculation proved to be just that, a new distraction was called for and as always it was more trivia. Nevertheless it is disappointing that this Blog is also easily distracted. Lol.

    So ‘now’ we know that Rudd swears, gets pissed off when served the wrong food and behaves like most of the population. Big f#cking deal.

  46. Min, I have no idea whether this is outsourcing or not. Does it make any difference to the little tantrum of Kevin Rudd over his meal?

    When Qantas sold its 707 fleet to the RAAF several decades ago, Qantas continued to maintain and crew them. Was this outsourcing? I doubt it.

    The same arrangement may continue to apply to the modern fleet of 737s.

    It probably does not make sense to have the RAAF train, employ cabin crew and maintain a fleet of 737s when Qantas (or another airline) has the specific and outstanding expertise is this area.

    What difference does this make Min?

    The fact is that Rudd came to the job with a reputation for an undisciplined temper, berating anyone to the point of tears is very poor form.

    I can only imagine the level of condemnation that any of the current or previous opposition would have received from Min and others should they caused this distress.

    If Rudd has apologised, this is appropriate.

    But to suggest that the angry behaviour of our PM is not something of interest to the public is silly.

  47. A former US governor is facing a 300 year jail term.

    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25283584-23109,00.html

    That mean’s he’s going to miss the Crow’s next premiership.

  48. I mean… current opposition or previous government…

  49. lol miglo.

    I’d have to agree re crows.
    I’ve personally witnessed many attacks upon downed sheep during lambing.
    They peck out eyes & try to penetrate a helpless sheep’s torso to pick at internal organs while the sheep is incapacitated but still conscious (seriously, no jest whatsoever).
    One of the very few animals that I’ve ever seen my father display a naked hatred for & carries a gun in the ute for the express purpose of executing them on site.
    Cunning bastards are not silly either. As soon as you walk out of the front door, or get out of a vehicle with a rifle they generally take flight.

    soz for going off topic.

  50. “The fact is that Rudd came to the job with a reputation for an undisciplined temper, berating anyone to the point of tears is very poor form. ”

    Says you. He didn’t have that reputation as far as I’m concerned. Just because a few media outlets decide to paint that impression doesn’t mean we should all fall for it.

    Poor form can happen under stressful conditions, tight schedules and such it seems.

    Tony Abbott swears during Health debate

    I’m pleased Rudd apologised in public.

    GOTYA GOTYA GOTYA PM…READ ALL ABOUT IT courtesy of the Daily Rags..

    N’

  51. Re:

    Ducks are suspicious and aggressive little f**kers and often travel in gangs. They know how to get organised and can kill innocent bystanders at will – anytime, anywhere.

    And not only but also, they have often been known to have clandestine meetings with Ross’s meat eating budgies. Plus have infiltrated most banks and other financial institutions.

    It’s the ducks and the budgies or it’s us!

    However, as per another thread maybe send the ducks and the budgies offshore until the War On Error is over.

  52. Man, this is one evil duck.

  53. “Says you. He didn’t have that reputation as far as I’m concerned.”

    That’s because you don’t take much notice of anything other than an obsession with stuffed toys and mass media conspiracy theories.

    Rudd gained a reputation for hard work and a short temper during his period as a senior public servant in Queensland. Surprisingly the mass media weren’t particularly interested in him in those days.

    His behaviours is no hanging offense, it is simply very poor form. No boss should berate a subordinate (and Rudd is in this position) in such an undisciplined manner, in from of others, to the point of causing such an emotional reaction.

    Why would you bother to excuse it?

    I’m also looking forward to an informed response re “outsourcing”

  54. …in front..

  55. I think the source of Mr Rudd’s bad behavior is his diet. He has cut out red meat which means his iron, zinc, vitamin B12 and, omega-3 intake has been reduced. Studies have shown that people who are starved of those vital elements suffer from delusions of grandeur. They are also prone to give money away to perfect strangers and they also tend to be aggressive and expletives tend to dominate their conversation so much so that some priests have even refused to hear their confession. Trivial issues tend to aggravate these types of people and it is possible that minor matters like food service are seized upon as an outlet for their pent up rage.

    Mr Rudd should eat more red meat.

  56. Tom of Melbourne, on April 3rd, 2009 at 1:21 pm Said:

    Rudd gained a reputation for hard work and a short temper during his period as a senior public servant in Queensland

    True! And it was, and is, a reputation well deserved. Rudd swears and loses his temper. He does not suffer fools gladly. I can well imagine his reaction if he sighted the Crapperville proposal.

    Come to think of it, I never worked with a Minister or Premier who didn’t swear or lose his temper. But one shouldn’t generalise from limited personal experience. Lol.

  57. And don’t forget, birds used to be dinosaurs once upon a time about, um … 6000 years ago!

    And then … they changed.

    And now … they’re just waiting for all this globular warmening to kick in for real and then …

    THEY’LL CHANGE BACK INTO DINOSAURS!!! FLYING DINOSAURS!!!!

    Next time you fly, make sure you take a musket with you. And dinosaur repellant.

    Alfred Hitchcock was right all along.

  58. Migs… the crow’s premiership line made me guffaw and cause people in the office to stare and mock me (even more mocking than usual).

  59. Yes N5, an inclination to get frustrated with the less capable is a common characteristic of the most capable.

    It is probably understandable, particularly for those struggling with competing priorities, normally called stress.

    On the other hand, showing consistent behaviour under this stress is universally regarded as a strong characteristic of leadership.

    So many in public life find themselves in leadership positions without being able to demonstrate the qualities of it.

    As I said, Rudd’s behaviour is no hanging offense, but in public life he will now find his temper under closer scrutiny.

    PS – I though you may have had some knowledge of his past reputation.

  60. “Mr Rudd should eat more red meat.”

    oh yea, yum yum yum!!!”

    N’

  61. And don’t forget, birds used to be dinosaurs once upon a time about, um … 6000 years ago!

    Hmm Ross, I didn’t place you as being one of those Young Earth Christian theorists who place the age of the earth at about 7500 years old.

  62. “Malcolm is a bit of a volcano.” … “When you’re on the wrong side of
    Malcolm, it’s terrifying.”

    I wonder who said that? Was it on 4 Corners?

    N’

  63. naskking,

    That reminds me of my favorite Simspons episode:

  64. ““Malcolm is a bit of a volcano.” … “When you’re on the wrong side of
    Malcolm, it’s terrifying.”

    No worries, post the link or the report and I’ll willingly suggest any anger management activities he should attend to.

    You, on the other hand, seem to obfuscate about the behavior of ALP politicians.

    I expect we will shortly get a photo link of an angry looking stuffed toy, as an intelligent contribution to this discussion.

  65. Bacchus…from your link to the Oz..Turnbull ‘the anointed’ is described as umm charismatic?? To date about as charismatic as a suet pudding, but if nerdy Kev can make it, surely Turnbull can too.

  66. Fine baccus, if Turnbull has a temper, he should learn to control it. Temper that becomes aggression is a bad trait in anyone, particularly for those in leadership positions.

    If he has been so undisciplined as to cause an emotional reaction in a subordinate, he ought to apologise, as Rudd has.

    It is one think to loose your temper within a group of hardened peers eg Abbott, Costello (the rev), Downer etc. It is another thing entirely when a leader is so undisciplined that they berate a junior service provider over the meal on a flight.

    Did he think she’d cooked it herself?

    Now back to the real issues… how about getting Min to outline a little more justification about the various “outsourcing” excuses she came up with earlier?

    And how about a nice photo link of an angry stuffed toy, as a contribution to a mature discussion?

  67. ToM, the Rodent came into office with a well-deserved reputation for lying, back-stabbing and mealy-mouthed mean-spiritedness, which he elevated to an art form during his incumbency. Didn’t stop the MSM cheer squad elevating the slimy git almost to sainthood, though.

    I am less inclined to read all that much into this story beat-up, because it’s taken nearly 3 months for it to come to be considered newsworthy.

    I cannot believe that the OO would have left it in the silly season tray for this long if there was a great deal of substance to it. Has a whiff of a certain “leaked” POTUS phone conversation, to me.

    However, if it’s correct, Rudd should take anger management classes.

    migs, it’s high time the rampant birdism of some commenters is dealt with. The duck is a noble bird and has the added benefit of extreme tastiness. It also knows which team to put the family feathers on. All-in-all a very handy addition to footy tipping and the pantry.

    Joni, ditto. The husbandy substance looked somewhat askance, but wasn’t game to mock. After all, having to cook your own meals and sauce is a big sacrifice for a fleeting moment of superiority!!

  68. And the plot gets thicker and thicker me thinks. Did all of us think that this was a recent event? Of course we all did. Guess what. This event occurred in JANUARY. And thank you to Sky News for putting forward the truth of the situation.

  69. “That reminds me of my favorite Simspons episode”

    Dave 55, I’d expect no less from a Murdoch media owned cartoon.

    We don’t just serve our friends salad…we give them meals like this:

    http://www.pjchmiel.com/vegan/indian.html

    N’

  70. But Min, what about all the excuses you made earlier about “outsourcing”, do you have any additional justification?

    When Qantas used to provide maintenance and crews to the RAAF VIP aircraft fleet, did you also consider this to be “outsourcing”?

  71. “And thank you to Sky News for putting forward the truth of the situation.”

    bwahahaha…
    N’

  72. …and he apologised at the time, or so even the original beat-up piece says. And then Captain Woody filed a ‘customer incident report’, which are highly unusual in front-line service environments, especially when there’s been a cock-up in service delivery. Oh, and then we were treated to some story about him whipping up a mean chocolate cake, from memory, although the Days of Our Drearies has him eating lychees and Chinese gooseberries for dessert now.

  73. Sorry Min…not laughing at you. Was just thinking about the games some media organisations play. Cover all bases.

    🙂
    N’

  74. Tom of Melbourne, on April 3rd, 2009 at 3:55 pm Said:
    But Min, what about all the excuses you made earlier about “outsourcing”, do you have any additional justification?

    I don’t think that you have any contact with any service personnel Tom or else you would know that ‘outsourcing’ isn’t an excuse, but that it is a reason.

    An example is when son was posted to The Gulf. He couldn’t obtain information as most things to do with services welfare has been outsourced and these people work only 8-4. And course our enlisted personnel work 24/7. National Welfare Coordination Centre recommends to phone them as they are enlisted personnel compared with a voice on the phone.

  75. Nas..I missed it. Where were you laughing at me? And by gee, I’ve never laughed at you either.

    What about some nice music Nas? Something for kitchen dancing..something mellow, slow but bluesy.

  76. But Min, here we have a VIP aircraft that operates along the same lines as a commercial aircraft.

    It has comfy seating, serves good food & provides alcohol. It has cabin crew that are trained for service; it is long way from a military aircraft.

    It has a crew that may become emotional when blamed for something that they apparently have no control over.

    Please let us in on how allowing another airline to provide these services undermines the morale or military effort of your son.

  77. nasking

    My 2 favorite Simposns quotes come from that episode:

    Homer: Are you saying you’re never going to eat any animal again? What about bacon?
    Lisa: No.
    Homer: Ham?
    Lisa: No.
    Homer: Pork chops?
    Lisa: Dad, those all come from the same animal.
    Homer: Heh heh heh. Ooh, yeah, right, Lisa. A wonderful, magical animal.

    I was trying to find the clip where Troy McClure shows little Jimmy ‘Bovine University’. It has possibly my all time favorite line:

    Troy: Now I’ll show you the killing floor

    :jimmy looks concerned:

    Troy: Don’t let the name worry you Jimmy, it’s not really a floor, more like a metal grill (or something similar).

  78. “You, on the other hand, seem to obfuscate about the behavior of ALP politicians.”

    Strange, I remember calling for ones resignation lately.

    As for Rudd, once all the facts come out I’ll make a proper judgement.

    Obviously something happened because Rudd apologised. And so he should if the lady was that upset….

    Tho I’ve seen plenty of people doing a poor job turn to tears over stress and only use the excuse of others bullying them to cover up their own performance.

    But I also don’t think TEARS should be seen as piss weak…that’s just a dumb ocker attitude that feeds into the world of SUPER PATRIARCH & STERN as a KICKING HORSE MATRIARCH…& the greedy fckers who pretend otherwise but tend to cry in their bathrooms as they watch their shares tumble on the bath-side laptop/screen.

    I also know that sometimes politicians get “set up”. This unfortunate situation has been used as part of an obvious campaign by the Right-Wing politicians & their ENABLING media.

    One only needed to read about HERO & all-time good guy Joe Hockey in the SMH a couple of days back (gawd that picture of the suit behind him w/ the pink tie could almost have been a plea for love from reb…lol) and his backstabbing comments about Kevin Rudd (which tells me heaps about Hockey) to know the PROPOGANDA & LABELLING MACHINE was whirring up.

    Somebody is certainly working overtime to create the idea that Rudd is the bully China brown-noser putting our security at risk…and should be replaced by the All-Australian slightly ocker all-round beefy good guy Hockey.

    Obviously the Corporate elite who have their hands up the bums of the Coalition have decided the Lord of Wentworth & SantaGrinch Costello aren’t gonna make the grade…gonna stumble before the end of the race.

    That’s cool.

    But I kinda wonder how Joe Hockey will hold up to REAL SCRUTINY?

    I think Joe needs to realise that he might be giving thumbs up to some of the biggest BLACK HOLE media moguls & their minions in recent history. Then he’ll have to lay in the bed of his own making…I wonder if anyone will see him SWEAT as he & his bed descend into the BLACK HOLE once the moguls are done with him?

    (pic of a mahjong tile)

    THE LIGHT tears thru THE DARKNESS at a rapid pace.

    N’

  79. …that’s all very well, but where is the meaningful and highly relevant photo of a stuffed toy?

  80. “Lisa: Dad, those all come from the same animal.
    Homer: Heh heh heh. Ooh, yeah, right, Lisa. A wonderful, magical animal. ”

    I must admit Dave55, it is funny…but also kinda sad if one thinks deeply about it. My wife loves Lisa. I’m a big fan of South Park. Which is probably a bad reflection on me as a vego…:) But those guys just crack me up.

    Mr Hanky the christmas poo

    N’

  81. Sadly, Tom I can’t locate a Min stuffed toy..however just for you a Mini Howard Flopsie. A reasonable resemblance to self.

    http://www.stuffedsafari.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=AR-31161

  82. “Where were you laughing at me?”

    nope, not me Min, no way no how

    “And by gee, I’ve never laughed at you either.”

    I know, I just ain’t funny enuff. I blame it on that time I spent in a Canadian summer school learning French. Can suck the humour out of anyone singing Frère Jacques all day.

    Frère Jacques, frère Jacques,
    Dormez-vous? Dormez-vous?

    (Brother Jacques, Brother Jacques
    Are you sleeping? Are you sleeping?)

    YES I BLOODY AM MISS.

    “What about some nice music Nas? Something for kitchen dancing..something mellow, slow but bluesy.”

    and jazzy?

    John Coltrane – My Favorite Things – 1961

    gotta have four feet for this one.

    8)

    N’

  83. Here’s one for you & yer hubby Min:

    esther phillips-nobody but you-1969-

    N’

  84. Tom of Melbourne, on April 3rd, 2009 at 4:20 pm Said:
    Please let us in on how allowing another airline to provide these services undermines the morale or military effort of your son.

    So that’s it is it Tom. You KNOW that the services stated as RAAF are outsourced. That’s a fact?

    Not a prob for son..he’s in the Navy.

    But sincerely the outsourcing is a mega problem for enlisted personnel. But that’s another story.

    Have to choof shortly..hope that you have a wonderful Friday arvo.

  85. “that’s all very well, but where is the meaningful and highly relevant photo of a stuffed toy?”

    How about Joe saves the universe?:

    N’

  86. Or

    the only thing left of poor Joe as he was sucked from the MEDIA EVENT horizon into the black hole:

    http://www.intrepidmuseum.org/getfile/a353ecd3-539b-481a-96ce-d4da0d8f7d43/3-4-3-Space-Gloves.aspx

    N’

  87. “Have to choof shortly..hope that you have a wonderful Friday arvo.”

    You too Min. Arrivederci!

    This sounds nice:

    Mina Non credere (da “Ieri e oggi”)(1969)

    N’

  88. As some have mentioned, the only real problem here is that someone at that level should not be behaving like this.

    But, we are all human, and as they say, to err….

    I have had many bosses, some good, some bad.

    They ALL lost their temper, whether it was because of me, or outside circumstances, is not relevant to this discussion.

    The good bosses always came and apologised, and we laughed it off, and were better for it.

    The bad bosses would not give it a second thought.

    He apologised, which puts him in a special category in my book.

    There was a previous leader who could never bring himself to apologise. he was in the other category.

    Also, re the diet. I wonder if Sam Kikovich(???) will be referring to this in one of his lamb commercials. Could get some mileage I reckon.

  89. A thought: surely the PM’s meal should have been catered well before the planned flight, particularly if he’s on a special diet of some sort and it was the RAAF VIP plane.

    Sounds like someone stuffed up and Rudd got irked because he was starving, couldn’t have a nice juicy steak and even his crummy lettuce leaf wasn’t on offer. I feel p*ssed off on his behalf!!

  90. Nas..what about..

    Au claire de la lune mon ami Pierrot, prete mois ta plume pour ecrire un mot…

    In the light of the moon, friend Pierrot give me your pen so that I can write a word…

    Love the Esther Phillips clip thank you Nas.

    For us on the North Coast NSW and SE Qld:

  91. Jane. I remember eons ago when I was a shire councillor. A collegue was a vego. We dined on succulent slow roasted meat..he was given a boiled egg and a lettuce leaf.

  92. “Sounds like someone stuffed up and Rudd got irked because he was starving, couldn’t have a nice juicy steak and even his crummy lettuce leaf wasn’t on offer.”

    Jane, he musta felt like eating his own hand:

    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2236/2317600799_508789a104.jpg?v=0

    N’

  93. “he was given a boiled egg and a lettuce leaf.”

    He shoulda DEMANDED more. Perhaps a vego chilli?:

    In our chillies we put in kidney beans, chocolate, garlic, corn kernels, capsicum, zuchinni, leek, cummin, paprika, oregano, tinned diced org tomatoes or diced cherry tomatoes, vege stock…& lots of chillies. Served on a bed of brown rice. And avocado salad w/ a bit of sour cream.

    Cheers
    N’

  94. Yeah Jane. Why don’t they have a gas stove and some chops on the plane so that the lass can do some proper womanly cooking for our PM?

    No wonder he got so cross. HE is the PRIME MINISTER! And deserves RESPECT. He was HUNGRY.

  95. I don’t speak a word of Italian Nas, just a little Greek and that’s with a non understandable Macedonian accent.

  96. My Italian isn’t bril either Min. But it sounds lovely…:)

    enjoyed the Stormy Weather. Gorgeous. Gracias. Bellissimo!

    Anyway, must go for now, my wife & I can’t hold this form much longer…turning…turning:

    ahhhhh…
    N’

  97. I do hope that this has sunk (sinked?) in..that this event occurred in January and not as suggested on the way to the G20 forum.

    The incident occurred on a flight from Port Moresby to Australia in January and News Limited newspapers report that the 23-year-old RAAF flight attendant was reduced to tears over Mr Rudd’s anger.

    And so here we are fluffing on about something that wasn’t important enough to report at the time.

  98. nasking, on April 3rd, 2009 at 6:10 pm Said:

    “Jane, he musta felt like eating his own hand:

    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2236/2317600799_508789a104.jpg?v=0

    N’”

    ROFL, Nas. Where do you find this stuff?

    Tom of Melbourne, on April 3rd, 2009 at 6:24 pm Said:

    “Yeah Jane. Why don’t they have a gas stove and some chops on the plane so that the lass can do some proper womanly cooking for our PM?

    No wonder he got so cross. HE is the PRIME MINISTER! And deserves RESPECT. He was HUNGRY.”

    And seeing he was on the RAAF VIP plane and no doubt they’d been advised what he wanted to eat well in advance, why wasn’t it done?

    It’s not like he was on a commercial flight with 200-odd people all clamouring for a meal. And I’m equally sure that sticking a plate in the microwave was well within her capabilities.

    I’d say it was the sheer inefficiency that got up his nose, but he shouldn’t have taken it out on her.

    However, after that little outburst, young feller, you’d better not complain if you go out to eat and get the wrong meal, or if your steak isn’t cooked the way you ordered it.

    And as Min so rightly says, this is ancient history. Why wait nearly 3 months to bung it on the front page?

  99. Well Jane, I take it you’ve flown from Port Moresby and probably on a VIP RAAF aircraft.

    Port Moresby isn’t exactly flushed with catering facilities for special dietary requests. It is unlikely to have been inefficiency, more likely to have simply been impossible to accommodate some specific request from this VIP due to the unavailability of the raw materials.

    RAAF VIP aircraft don’t meet the schedules of commercial aircraft.

  100. Port Moresby isn’t exactly flushed with catering facilities for special dietary requests.

    He asked for chicken or fish, no red meat. I’m sure there are fish or a couple of chooks even in Pt. Moresby (might be harder to get decent red meat actually).

    I bet John Howard’s plane wouldn’t have got off the ground until it was known that all of his service requests were met!

    Rudd apologised after the incident, so why are we even hearing about this now? Can only be for the purpose of trying to embarass the PM – they’ve got nothing else to get him on so they are going the character assassination route, typical of tories.

    It’s like a real life soapy, so petty and trivial.

  101. “they’ve got nothing else to get him on so they are going the character assassination route, typical of tories.”

    kittylitter, , my grandfather was a Tory mayor in the early 60s, & nothing like this new breed of greed. Taught me by way of Scrabble…& books…& a few select films. A bit stiff now & then. Except for his palsied hands. And the odd head shake. Brought on by gas & shell shock from WW1. He loved the regular people. Played cards down at the docks & w/ the old Vets like him. And cared about vulnerable animals.

    So did Churchill.

    I sometimes wonder if our Ruddy, the good fella he is…has a combination of Churchillian, Rupert the Bear…& Ziggy in him? I guess we all have multi-coloured personalities…some hidden in the closet.

    David Bowie – Ziggy Stardust

    My wife & I just so dig Ziggy…performances.

    N’

  102. david bowie – changes

    N’

  103. “ROFL, Nas. Where do you find this stuff?”

    On Mars of course jane…where they find all the unique people like yerself…:

    David Bowie – Life On Mars?

    N’

  104. “Port Moresby isn’t exactly flushed with catering facilities for special dietary requests.”

    It’s a good point.

    And it’s not exactly a fabulous holiday destination where you’d leave thinking “wow, we had a really great time. Can’t wait to go back next year”.

  105. Reb..Rudd requested either fish or chicken. At least the newspapers seem to have now got it right, that it was back in January and not the subliminal suggestion of previous reports that it was something to do with the G20.

    Amazing how this trivia (trivia in that it’s taken 3 months for the story to be published) arrived on the editors’ desks just in time for the G20. Conspiracy theory #squillion.

  106. Min

    Also interesting that it comes hot on the heels of the Fitzgibbons affair, who had begun a clean out of the defense forces.

    Not that I am in any way insinuating that this could be the case 🙂

  107. And Tom R. It’s now public knowledge and so I feel free to mention.

    Recorded only by The Age that I can find. http://www.theage.com.au/national/boat-people-stranded-in-torres-strait-were-going-to-nz-20090403-9rmb.html

    The source said the claims were likely to be a result of a “turf war” after the Rudd Government shifted Australian border protection operations from the Defence Force to the Australian Customs Service in December.

    Absolute GARBAGE!! It was a Customs Service Plane who located the arrivals, and there was a Custom’s ship involved but to suggest that the delay in process was due to a ‘turf war’ is as above GARBAGE.

    Just a note, son described the arrivals as Tamils.

    And so we have Fitzgibbon – an RAAF ‘stewardess’ story from 3 months ago – and now a ‘turf war’.

  108. Yes Min, I have to admit.

    Our defense forces are getting very defensive

  109. Tom R..I know that it’s difficult for civilians but there is a huge differentiation between enlisted personnel and ‘defence’ aka civilians.

    Our enlisted blokes and girls just have a job to do, and do it very often under very trying circumstances. The problems seem (to me) to be related to outsourcing.

    I would suggest that all and sundry comes from bureaucrats and not from the men/women on the field. The vast majority of our enlisted people would not know nor care about a forthcoming White Paper..just as long as they are given the tools and equipment to get the job done.

  110. “Port Moresby isn’t exactly flushed with catering facilities for special dietary requests.”

    It’s a good point.

    No, it’s not.
    To ask for chicken or fish, no red meat, would be such a commonplace request nowadays that it could not be considered as a ‘special dietary request’.

    Ordinary, everyday request.

  111. Kittylitter – You may find that there are various quarantine and health regulations for international aircraft.

    For example if the PM wanted fish (and possibly chips), I don’t think the local Port Moresby take away can supply it.

    Nonetheless, I see there are plenty of people now piping up about the anger he demonstrates to subordinates. He’ll need to get it under control.

  112. Just noticed this…
    Min – “So that’s it is it Tom. You KNOW that the services stated as RAAF are outsourced. That’s a fact?”

    No, I don’t know the specific arrangements for the 737 RAAF VIP aircraft.

    But I do know that the RAAF purchased the previous VIP aircraft from Qantas, and Qantas continued to provide various services for these aircraft for the RAAF for the remainder of their operation. I don’t think this constituted “outsourcing”.

    Qantas also operates a large 737 fleet. The current RAAF VIP Aircraft are 737s, and I’d be surprised if Qantas did not have some involvement.

  113. Tom. There is a time to stand back and say, I don’t know much about this. This is such a time.

  114. Addendum. Son is a 7 year man – 2 tours of The Gulf, 2 tours of East Timor including shore patrol with the Federal Police. Given a choice, my son and his crew mates versus journalists and outsourced staffers….

  115. Min, with the greatest of respect, it was in fact you that introduced the issue of “outsourcing”, when the discussion was about the temper of the PM.

    You seemed to strongly press the point that outsourcing was an issue very relevant to this topic.

    That’s fine if you now wish to suggest that it isn’t.

  116. Tom of Melbourne, on April 3rd, 2009 at 11:25 pm Said:

    “Well Jane, I take it you’ve flown from Port Moresby and probably on a VIP RAAF aircraft.”

    Can’t say I’ve ever had the pleasure of my very own aircraft devoted to my requirements taking off from anywhere, Tom, but if I did, I can assure you I’d be pretty p*ssed off if the tucker I wanted wasn’t on board. And I’d be willing to wager your temper would be frayed in the same circumstances.

    The VIP plane would be equipped with a galley and should have prepared meals on board, so quarantine and health regulation shouldn’t be an issue.

    This is a VIP plane we’re talking about here; they’d have a bit more than a soft jatz biscuit and some dried out cheese in the cupboard. If whoever was in charge of it was worth their salt, the meals would have been on board ready to be popped into the microwave. Smiles all round.

    And think how embarrassing it would have been if someone like the POTUS had been on board and was offered that lame excuse.

    Certainly, Rudd shouldn’t have taken the bat on the young woman, but if things are that sloppy, it’s high time someone got a kick up the backside with some steel caps!

    I agree, Min @ 10.44am.

    N’, I thought I’d at least be from Venus. Lol.

  117. Tom of Melbourne, on April 4th, 2009 at 5:13 pm Said:
    Min, with the greatest of respect, it was in fact you that introduced the issue of “outsourcing”, when the discussion was about the temper of the PM.

    You seemed to strongly press the point that outsourcing was an issue very relevant to this topic.

    That’s fine if you now wish to suggest that it isn’t.

    Tom..with apologies..I really do have to go. The issue is an extremely important one re enlisted personnel. I can’t put specifics on the blog for obvious reasons but if you would like to write to me, then just ask either joni or reb for my home email address.

  118. kittylitter, on April 4th, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    KL, having lived in PM for 12 months, I can assure that you would be hard pressed to get an orange juice at the airport – that, BTW, is not much more than a couple of tin sheds, run by Nationals not far removed from subsistence farming in the hills…

    …most PNG Nationals are lucky to graduate year six at primary school…Independence was granted by Whitlam (The Twit) in 1976…its been downhill everf since – and the expats I encountered in 1988 didn’t help much…

    …as for tucker at the local “hotels” – I doubt our redoubtable PM would entertain a PNG chicken meal!

  119. TB,

    Apologies, short for time, gotta go and work the night shift so I’ll be brief.

    It is an airplane which travels pretty fast, they can get supplies from other places en route (should be pre-planned) and they can also store them in the plane, it should have the convenience of refrigeration.

  120. G’day KL, not that easy I’m afraid…

    NS – on Saturday – agggh! – feel for you – remember them – vaguely now…thank Gawd…

    Thinking of ya!

  121. Kittylitter – “they can get supplies from other places en route (should be pre-planned) and they can also store them in the plane, it should have the convenience of refrigeration.”

    Like it or not, my distant memory suggests that national quarantine regulations don’t allow the carriage of uncooked food between international ports.

    I recall something along the lines of having to discharge/off load all the food that has not been used. Hence the difference in the quality of food between the various international sectors.

    In the first class cabin, for example, I’ve always found the petit fours much better on the Australia to Singapore leg, than on the Singapore to London leg.

  122. Tom, they wouldn’t be cooking food, they would be reheating cooked food in a microwave, the same as they do on commercial flights. Each meal would be in its own self-contained sealed vessel as it is on international flights.

    Cooking food from scratch on a plane is not an option for a number of reasons; storage, prep and cooking space, time and safety to name a few.

    You can’t bring a meal onto a plane on international flights for quarantine reasons alone and you’re not allowed to carry on hot liquids on either domestic or international flights.

    I have known people to bring Krispy Kreme donuts home for the office, though. Yum.

  123. Jane this may make sense from a practical point of view, but there are quarantine rules, even our HUNGRY PM has to observe.

    Does your example relate to domestic or international? Is it carried between ports as suggested or just brought on semi cooked for the sector and then off loaded?

    I think the international quarantine regulations are fairly strict. I don’t think you can buy a chop in Bali, keep it in the fridge, stop over in Honkers and reheat it to eat on your way to Osaka. Not even a very HUNGRY ANGRY PM.

    COOK ME A MEAL WOMAN!!

  124. ToM, the pre-cooked, single-serve pre-packaged meals are loaded onto the plane at Sydney if that’s where the flight commences. No semi-cooked food, and no slipping out to the shops at the next stop to stock up for the in-flight barbie, whether it’s an international or domestic flight, all of which you already know.

    The VIP plane might offer a wider choice of meals, but food preferences would be in the catering data base and loaded on board accordingly. The food would all be pre-cooked and pre-packaged in single-serves for re-heating on board.

    So far, so good. No quarantine concerns? No concerns about having to don the pinny and peel the spuds? Oh, that’s right, the food’s already cooked. Put those saucepans back in the spacious on-board kitchen cupboards. Don’t bother looking for the cooktop, you don’t need one!

    Best of all, you don’t have to plate-up, it’s all been done for you except the incredibly difficult task of sticking the meal in the microwave and hitting the re-heat button. I reckon even a 23 year-old could manage that, don’t you?

    There you have it, ToM. No quarantine or health concerns about food poisoning from semi-cooked food, no beating the clock shopping for the odd chop or sausage before the plane takes off and no washing up!!!

  125. Actually..and thinking about it Jane. Would this non-story have national headlines should the ‘steward’ have been a bloke?

  126. I have refrained from commenting on this thread, in the hopethat further evidence would emerge. Well, I’m happy to say that the security footage from the flight in question has been released.

    Was Mr Rudd too hard on the young lady? Judge for yourself.

  127. Reb/Joni..daylight saving has ended. It’s now 3.15pm and not 4.15pm.

  128. Tony

    LOL

    Not sure about Rudd having a GOP badge on though …

  129. Jane, I don’t think aircraft can carry unprocessed food between international ports.

  130. Min

    Time check

  131. Time fixed now…. thanks for letting me know.

    (oh – and great joke)

  132. You’ll find that they also bring back all the garbage as to make sure there is no issue. (all stays on board)
    If food was coming off the flight or the garbage dumped then they will have a problem.
    If it doesn’t leave the plane its already under quarantine.

  133. Likewise joni. And wave to Aqua. About now it’s an ‘unnamed source’ claiming that the PM whinged about his meal way back in January. The PM agreed, yes he did whinge. And now we have the popular press debating whether the PM might have a vitamin deficiency??? Good grief!!

    As per above, the unnamed RAAF steward, 23 yrs reduced to tears is still ‘an unnamed source’.

    The other scenario is that it was a big burly RAAF steward, 82kgs, hairy chest et al was reduced to tears by the PM. Well…the source is ‘unnamed’ isn’t it.

  134. “Can’t say I’ve ever had the pleasure of my very own aircraft devoted to my requirements taking off from anywhere”

    lol…jane, CLASSIC!

    I’ve serfed on a plane. Very fatigued passengers get a bit antsy now & then. Flight attendents can be worn out too. Time & work shifts and such. can lead to grumpy & teary moments. Rarefied air.

    N’

  135. Waves back at Min.

    If my pesto sauce meal was involved i would of kicked the steward of the plane.

    When alone i wonder how many high profile people are pleasant and respectful.

  136. Well, I’m happy to say that the security footage from the flight in question has been released.

    hehe, Rudd wearing a lapel badge of the GOP elephant?

  137. Min waves back to Aqua. When is it that you’re next down our way..I still have all those white stones that need moving. Kidding..unless you want a big load of white stones that is.

    (completely off topic). Me: It’s only 5.30 and it’s dark. (due to end of daylight saving). Hubby: it’s been half past 5 for the last six months.!

  138. ToM @ 5.23pm, try reading the comment. Nowhere did I mention non-processed food. All meals are pre-cooked. If the food was unprocessed, no-one would ever get a meal on an international flight, but we all do. QED.

    Lol, Min @ 2.52pm.

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