Weekend Frolykz!!


And welcome to our weekend thread. The place where we get to talk about anything and everything – except blankets coz they’ve been banned.

I thought I’d pop this post up early seeing as I’m going to an art exhibition opening at one of my local art galleries this evening.

What can I say? It’s the sort of thing that people like me with charm and finesse do in one’s spare time.

By the way, Guy Maestri has taken out the prestigious Archibald Prize with his portrait of blind Aboriginal singer Geoffrey Gurrumul Yunipingu.


176 Responses

  1. I’m not a praying man, but on this occasion I will brake the rule. I’m praying that there is no reference to Geoffrey Gurrumul Yunipingu in the movie Australia and that he is not a member of the stolen generation.

    I’ve a funny feeling he would meet with condemnation if either were the affirmative.

  2. I’ve just noticed you’ve linked to my blog. Sweet. Thanks for that. Now …

    You must watch this trailer. Go on. Watch it.


    Watch it!


    Hubba bloody hubba. Wubbadawubbadawub. Damn. Looks good, don’t it?

  3. The Archibald prize is great news!

    It is a wonderful thoughtful portrait of a real national treasure who sings like an angel.

    Congratulations to the prize committee for a great choice!

  4. By the way, is it just my fertile imagination or have our TV broadcasters started to include more Aussie culture snippets in their news broadcasts? Like a decent segment on the Archibald Prize today, and previous recent segments on musicians, dancers and artists.

    If it really is happening, then I am so glad.

    After spending 12 years during the 90’s and early 00’s in Europe, when I got home it stuck out like the proverbial dog balls that Aussies had cultural cringe. European TV reports on its own culture, and celebrates its creative people. Aussie TV reported on foreign cultural activities almost exclusively, and our creative people were almost invisible. As if Aussie creativity wasn’t worthy of comment or pride.

    That’s part of why I am so happy about the Archibald Prize getting more airplay. It’s creative, expressive and best of all, its authentic.

    About time our building industry was more authentic too – how many fake Tuscan villas can a koala bear?

  5. How much of Australia’s media can one man want?

    A freakin’ lot obviously…Murdoch & his allies obviously think they have a DIVINE RIGHT to dominate the media in Australia:


    The managing director of the ABC, Mark Scott, retorted last night that Sky’s calls to tender for such services were “more a reflection of the financial constraints they are under … than an indication of the depth and breadth and quality and independence and integrity of the services that they can offer”.

    “We don’t think the Australian Government should outsource its broadcasting diplomacy to Rupert Murdoch’s media empire,” he told the Herald. Commercial media were under significant pressure, “but the answer is not to squeeze the ABC out from roles that the ABC is best placed to deliver”.

    He stressed the ABC was not captive to delivering profits to shareholders.

    Remember this?:

    “The effective propagandist must be a master of the art of speech, of writing, of journalism, of the poster and of the leaflet. He must have the gift to use the major methods of influencing public opinion such as the press, film and radio to serve his ideas and goals, above all in an age of advancing technology.”

    Joseph Goebbles

    And who owns the Courier Mail in QLD I wonder?

  6. For my wife & all those other wonderful women who put so much passion & hard work & compassion into their careers…and their relationships:

    Beautiful – Gordon Lightfoot–Soundstage-(1979).

    And two thumbs up to LM, you know what for.

    And this is for Jedda & Miglo too.

  7. Nice bit o’ crawling N’…

    …still it is Internatonal Women’s Day

    …when’s International Men’s Day?

  8. What would you do with it TB? Wear it on your hat?

    Actually, speaking of “days” why don’t we have a “Man from Snowy River” Day, and do a reenactment of the poem, on location in the Snowy – horses, riders, wild brumbies and the lot? Proper bush outfits, and prizes for various things – best horse, best rider, best brumby, etc.

    People could go and have picnic lunch on the sidelines, or watch it in comfort at home on TV. Like a bush version of the Melbourne Cup?

  9. “still it is Internatonal Women’s Day”

    might surprise you that I didn’t know that…was just listening to ‘Beautiful’ a tribute to Gordon Lightfoot & thought it might be nice to find some songs on YouTube from it, but instead found the song ‘Beautiful’ by the man himself, listened to it just as S’ walked in from work & realised how glad I was to see her…TGIF & all.

    I’m not one who thinks much about designated days TB…I ignore Valentines Day & surprise S’ on other days. Tho birthdays are the exception. Considerin’ how nice she treats me on mine.

    Speaking of Aussie artists, one of my faves:

    Louis Tillet – Carousel


  10. Nasking
    i am free from guilt if i forget peoples birthday,
    i even have trouble remembering my date of birth as my age means little to me. I havnt had a birthday i think since 19.(born in 72,)
    My wife reminds of these things well in advance, and makes sure i have no excuse. (i still forget to get the card with the presents, i give the present to my wife and she stares at me and i stare back with nervousness and she asks, the card. ohh)

  11. TB, ‘member you mentioned the Canadian flag…check it out on this song…I always dug how RICH the use of colour was in Canada. Like some of the flowers on the natives here.

    The Guess Who – Share The Land

    Randolph Charles Bachman, OC, OM (/bækmən/) (born September 27, 1943) was lead guitarist and songwriter of the 1970s rock bands, The Guess Who and Bachman-Turner Overdrive. Bachman was also a member of the band Brave Belt with Chad Allan and a band called Ironhorse, and has recorded numerous solo albums.
    (Wiki pedia)

    Saw Randy Bachman & BTO in Toronto…they went off.

  12. “i give the present to my wife and she stares at me and i stare back with nervousness and she asks, the card. ohh”

    haha ha…that’s a pretty sweet image aqua…:)

    “i even have trouble remembering my date of birth as my age means little to me. I havnt had a birthday i think since 19.(born in 72,)”

    For some reason i always think I’m a year older than i am. Always get a nice surprise hearing i’m younger than i thought.

    No Time – The Guess Who

    takes me back…since Dad got sick I’ve been thinkin’ alot about Canada.


  13. Feelin’ quite nostalgic tonite. I remember arriving the first ime here in OZ w/ Mum & her new hubby in 1966, living in the Air Force hostel in Adelaide…I think it was Salsibury or thereabouts…1st time i’d seen sandstorms, possums, one-eyed dead cats under a residence…and felt the heat…dry scorchers….withering.

    Can remember liking this:

    The Seekers – A World Of Our Own


  14. And Mum bought me this on vinyl…remember the small plastic record players for kids & their 45s?:

    Puff the Magic Dragon – Peter Paul & Mary

    Hey, I was only a wee one in those days…:)

  15. S’ said I can’t get away w/ putting up The Seekers w/out this one…it was a goodie…she reckons when she was in primary school she’d go over to the neighbor’s rumpus room and they’d play it whilst they mucked around playing pool.

    The Seekers – Georgy Girl-1968

    Interesting movie too.

    Mum tells me that when she workeed for the bank yonks ago they made her resign after she married. Weird stuff.

  16. Oh, so it worked Nask.. beautiful :).
    ( If there are two lots of music any one should listen to, one is Beautiful, tribute to Lightfoot and Poet, tribute to Townes van Zandt, the latter may break your heart.)

  17. Sometimes when things weren’t going well between Mum & her husband in Adelaide I’d get sent to their friend’s houses…

    one lousy day turned out real special ’cause the kids i was spending time w/ started talking animatedly about this spooky & intriguing story (urban legend) of a muso called Paul McCartney & how he had died…

    but the music world & his band The Beatles were pretending he was still alive…

    the excited kids played the following song to me over and over again to prove he was dead…they surely musta scratched the ending w/ the record player needle they played it so much:

    The Beatles – Strawberry Fields Forever

    My first real close listen to The Beatles & sense of respect for them…believe it…or not.


  18. ” If there are two lots of music any one should listen to, one is Beautiful, tribute to Lightfoot”

    LM, the guitar goes off brilliantly in the Cowboy Junkies version of “The Way I Feel”.

    And we had the odd tear welling up during many of the songs. Lightfoot is a brilliant lyricist eh?

    “the latter may break your heart ”

    Come Saturday night old friend. The amber nectar & van Zandt.

    Here’s the Cowboy Junkies doing a cover from one of my all-time fave grinding artists…

    Cowboy Junkies – Sweet Jane


  19. Thanks Nasking. This is a good one:

    I’m all mellow after a bottle of Penfolds 2004 Bin 28 Kalimna Shiraz. Makes Gordon sound even better.

  20. Yes Miglo. So many brave individuals falling in these far flung conflicts.

    Just read this:

    Bodies of three slain soldiers on their way home
    Updated Thu. Mar. 5 2009

    CTV.ca News Staff

    The bodies of three Canadian soldiers killed in a roadside bomb attack are on their way home following an emotional ramp ceremony at Kandahar Airfield.

    Warrant Officer Dennis Raymond Brown, Cpl. Dany Olivier Fortin and Cpl. Kenneth Chad O’Quinn were killed Tuesday after an improvised explosive device detonated near their armoured vehicle.

    Fortin, an ardent supporter of the Montreal Canadiens, was known to his fellow soldiers as ‘Danny-O.’ O’Quinn, known as ‘Chad’ by his friends, was described as a “proud, dedicated soldier” who had a bright future ahead of him.

    Two soldiers were also injured in the incident, which happened northwest of Kandahar City as Canadian Forces personnel conducted security operations in the area.

    The three deaths bring Canada’s military death toll to 111. A Canadian diplomat and two Canadian aid workers have also been killed over the course of the insurgency.

    Pacing The Cage – Bruce Cockburn


  21. Miglo – “I’m all mellow after a bottle of Penfolds 2004 Bin 28 Kalimna Shiraz. Makes Gordon sound even better.”

    I have to disagree, a 2003 Coonawarra Bin 28, far better.

  22. Well thankfully the world is starting to see the trend for what it really is…….


  23. “Mum tells me that when she workeed for the bank yonks ago they made her resign after she married. Weird stuff.”

    That was common practice in the good old days (the ones the Rodent pined after). But only in white collar jobs like teaching, the public service, and clerical positions in banks, insurance companies etc. Women were still allowed to have low-paid sh@t-kickers jobs, though.

  24. “Women were still allowed to have low-paid sh@t-kickers jobs, though.”

    Jane, I remember reading about women’s suffrage & emancipation movements years ago. And brings to mind writers/activists like Mary Wollstonecraft & Mary Shelley:

    Mary Wollstonecraft (pronounced /ˈwʊlstənkrɑːft/; 27 April 1759 – 10 September 1797) was an eighteenth-century British writer, philosopher, and feminist. During her brief career, she wrote novels, treatises, a travel narrative, a history of the French Revolution, a conduct book, and a children’s book. Wollstonecraft is best known for A Vindication of the Rights of Woman (1792), in which she argues that women are not naturally inferior to men, but appear to be only because they lack education. She suggests that both men and women should be treated as rational beings and imagines a social order founded on reason.

    Wollstonecraft married the philosopher William Godwin, one of the forefathers of the anarchist movement; they had one daughter, Mary Godwin (later Mary Shelley), who would go on to author Frankenstein.

    Wollstonecraft died at the age of thirty-eight due to complications from childbirth, leaving behind several unfinished manuscripts.


    Mary Shelley (née Mary Wollstonecraft Godwin; 30 August 1797 – 1 February 1851) was a British novelist, short story writer, dramatist, essayist, biographer, and travel writer, best known for her Gothic novel Frankenstein: or, The Modern Prometheus (1818). She also edited and promoted the works of her husband, the Romantic poet and philosopher Percy Bysshe Shelley. Her father was the political philosopher William Godwin, and her mother was the philosopher and feminist Mary Wollstonecraft.



    is a 1986 film directed by Ken Russell. It starred Gabriel Byrne as Lord Byron, Julian Sands as Percy Bysshe Shelley, Natasha Richardson as Mary Shelley and Timothy Spall as Dr John William Polidori. It features a soundtrack composed by Thomas Dolby.

    The film is a lurid and highly fictionalized tale based on the Shelleys’ visit with Lord Byron in Villa Diodati by Lake Geneva, and the famous challenge to write a horror story, which ultimately led to Mary Shelley writing Frankenstein and John Polidori writing The Vampyre. The same event has also been portrayed in the films Bride of Frankenstein (1935) and Haunted Summer (1988), among others.
    (most above Wiki pedia)

    Ken Russell’s ‘Gothic’ – trailer


  25. “still it is Internatonal Women’s Day”

    Not today, March 8th is IWD, I know it well because it is my beautiful daughter’s birthday!

    …when’s International Men’s Day?

    everyday TB…everyday! Men still rule the world.


    Women are – Shaking The Tree

  26. And lastly for me tonite…speaking of women, war & The Beatles…got me thinking of:

    Across the Universe is a 2007 musical film directed by Julie Taymor.

    (Across The Universe – I Want You / She’s So Heavy)

    Protecting innocents is one thing Sparta…dying for pipelines, profiteers and a State called Israel that bleeds paranoia, Machiavellian strategies/tactics & a general lack of honest diplomacy is another.

    The same criticism can be made of wealthy Levant Arabs & Iranian puppet masters who use propaganda & duplicitous means to create destroyer fundies to pump up the money machine.

    Give Obama & Clinton a chance. And the Arab/Iranian/Israeli reformers We’ve seen enuff extinguished dreams…& future lives thrown to the wind.

  27. Well I know this topic is close to the heart of many, to include myself but the current debate over “gay marriage” is playing out currently in California. On that note, I offer my opinion on the matter which I posted on another site last year some time in regards to a pro opinion.


    “Whatever you call it, there still exists a legal and civil ‘unfairness’ to prop 8 regardless of semantic or syntaxual obfuscation.”

    I am not sure that “legal unfairness” qualifies as a denial of rights and the idea of “civil unfairness” is one of complete conjecture without the applicability of law. Such sentiments are at the heart of this debate and why I take issue with this subject. When such discussions arise it is inevitable that the application of law takes on a completely different meaning. Law is devoid of subjectivity or emotion for good reason and neither should have any bearing in trying to apply it. A conundrum does arise from law however, which is the ambiguity of language that in most circles simply lends itself to the distortions of those who wish to wield it to further their cause. In short, marriage is a religious ceremony that has come to receive recognition by the government for the “potential” it can provide to society. It is a benefit that is not denied to homosexuals but one in which they do not take advantage of. For instance, say there is a GPA requirement that I must attain in order to qualify for a government scholarship, or a racial component, is it discriminatory if I do not fulfill either? Are my rights being violated if they refuse?

    “To apply laws differently while claiming equality is segregation”

    What laws are we applying currently that cannot be applied to the average Homosexual? A homosexual is not denied any of the benefits a heterosexual has except when trying to apply those benefits to the “relationship” they have chosen to enter into.

    “can you blame their reaction? How very generous, how very magnanimous of you! Where do you claim the ‘right’ to tell others what benefits they can and can’t partake of?”

    I do not claim the right to tell others what benefits they can or can’t partake in but the law does and as above, laws do not lend themselves to being interpreted or practiced in a vacuum. One cannot simply deconstruct or rewrite laws through unelected officials whenever life does not lend itself to their wants or needs. For example, suppose I decided after years of soul searching that I was in love with a man and a woman. What if I wanted to marry both of them? What if I wanted the same benefits awarded to heterosexuals? I have made a personal decision that the state and federal government must now recognize by law because I have chosen not to take the path offered? How is this any different from what the homosexual community is currently doing? Are we discriminating against those in relationships with more than two adults now? In short, yes we are and in now trying to deny the reality of gender, we are also opening the door to anybody or any relationship that demands recognition.

    “Lastly, please drop the ‘marriage to-or-of animals’ inference when offering your side to the argument. There is no statute that affords equal legal and civil standing between humans and animals. Furthermore, equality between man and animal is not a fundamental or constitutional basis of our society.”

    I would agree this analogy is extravagant but goes right to the heart of the “erosion of the sanctity of marriage” argument many raise and that many routinely discount. First of all, you simply avoid addressing the polygamist, transsexual, bisexual references because they clearly undermine your arguments. Again, you cannot “redefine marriage” in terms agreeable to you without acknowledging that in doing so you will inevitably confer the “benefits” of a traditional marriage to any group, person, couple or whatever that feels they deserve or are entitled to a “marriage certificate” on the basis of love or the assumption that their rights are being violated. If you can, I would be most interested in hearing how?

    “Prop 8 amended a government document to explicitly restrict the ‘benefits’ of marriage to a certain sub-set of the public.”

    Forgive my redundancy but benefits which are not denied to the average homosexual but the “relationship” they have entered into and now seek acknowledgment of; hardly the same thing.

    “I must admit that I was intrigued with was your statement that “government support of marriage does serve a purpose in this society.”

    I imagine you are aware that the concept of marriage as defined currently is much different from that of past America but what has not changed is the fundamental outcome. Marriage in theory provides more economic stability to our country’s citizenry and even with the “cultural revolution” still fulfills this theory the majority of the time. However, at its core is the potential to procreate and raise children. Having done so, traditional marriage undeniably provides the best potential of adequately furthering the next generation and hence society. Biologically, man and woman are designed for this purpose alone but they also each serve vital roles in the development of the child. Yes modern technology allows for a homosexual couples to raise the offspring of a third party, many quite well in fact, but is it in the best “long term” interests of the child or our society given the very little data we have or just because we can? Should we just “go with it” because it feels good or normal in the classic sense of the word? Government endorsement of the traditional arrangement simply recognizes this reality just as it does that those from disadvantaged backgrounds may better benefit from a scholarship in which I would be denied. Another example, what if I now decided I felt strongly that I had more in common with African-American’s and wished for society to acknowledge me as such. I now wish to be eligible for any programs currently in place to assist the African-American community. Being ineligible does not mean my rights are being denied but acknowledges government’s responsibility in doing what it can to improve the lives of all its citizens sometimes through policies which may discriminate, technically. However, it cannot be all things to all people and at all times.

    “Where I can and truly do sympathize is in the area where supporters of prop 8 feel minimized, marginalized, and vilified for there vote”

    I perhaps feel more empowered to voice my opinion on this subject, in regards to this phenomenon, more than any other. I frankly don’t have a vested interest in denying people their right to happiness but I ask you and others again. How do we “legally”, emotions aside or what makes us feel good, make concessions for the homosexual community based on their definition of “rights”, which cannot be applied to any human seeking governmental acknowledgement/benefits for their relationship? If you can give me a “legal” interpretation that would facilitate the reality you wish to see without completely destroying the one we have built over the past 200 plus years, than you would have my vote at the box instead of relying on judicial fiat to further a cause that the people have routinely voted against and a Constitution that does not lend itself credit too. After all, is this a democracy by the people, for the people or one that is to be undermined by unelected officials with personal agendas? Even the pursuit of happiness has “limits” within our society and for good reason. If everybody ran around doing what made them feel better or demanding “rights” for the sake of it, our country would simply cease to be a nation of laws. Although I do not see gay marriage bringing the United States down, it does set a precedent that does much to undermine the strengths of our country by circumventing them. That is what is at the heart of this discussion for me personally. I would like nothing more than to be on the side of what “makes me feel good” or for which I would be seen as just and kind in the eyes of my fellow citizen but my intuition, which is painfully laconic at times, guides me in all aspects of my life just as logic and reasoning does. I cannot simply turn it off and on every time the wind changes directions.

    “Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to get back to my on-line dating account where I plan to meet a girl, arrange a weekend together in Vegas, get her drunk, get married, get her pregnant, have the marriage annulled 6 days later, deny the kid is mine for the next 5 years, then guest star on Montel Williams for my 15 minutes of fame and a free paternity test.”

    Oh yes, free will and the pursuit of happiness. Perhaps if we could get back to the idea that the world doesn’t revolve around our needs or wants and that we have a responsibility in it, we would see much less of this analogy. Alas, that is what in many ways this is all about and to hell with what is good for the country or society. It all comes down to my “sexual preference”! Really, how selfish can a cause be, given the fact that the majority of American’s and our new president by the way, are willing to give the same “benefits” as heterosexual relationships but under different symbolism, yet still it is perceived as unjust to the gay militant. No the “militant” will use whatever means necessary to force their wishes upon those that do not agree entirely. In this case, the overwhelming majority of Americans.They demonizes, ostracize and accuse others of hate or homophobia because we believe just as passionately about our cause as they do. The progressive left, once the bastion of “free speech” is certainly anything but these days.

  28. Here, here…….


    What say you John?

  29. kittylitter, on March 7th, 2009 at 1:19 am Said:

    She suggests that both men and women should be treated as rational beings and imagines a social order founded on reason.

    …and treated equally…was my point…all these “days”…tend to blur into nothingness…but some (eg IWD)…tend to lift (women) and separate (men & women)…I much prefer equality…

  30. Mum tells me that when she workeed for the bank yonks ago they made her resign after she married. Weird stuff.

    Yes, and if you married during teacher training you had to not only immediately resign but you had to pay back the Studentship. This was during the ’60’ and 70’s. This rule was for females only of course, men were quite free to marry the reasoning being that men don’t fall pregnant which of course married women regularly did. And this was post-The Pill.

  31. Min, on March 7th, 2009 at 9:43 am

    …and how times change, Min, more female teachers than male now…but sex is still the reason.

  32. TB..and so it was in the 60’s and 70’s as well. At Toorak Teachers’ College we were divided into ‘groups’ and in a group of 30 there would have only been 3 – 4 blokes. This was primary teaching, however I should imagine that many more men went into secondary school teaching.

    In ‘my day’ apart from clerical work and a secretary was considered semi-professional, the only socially approved careers for women were teaching and nursing. This was also the days when only girls from wealthy backgrounds went to university and then in the majority to do Arts. Science and Mathematics were considered an unnecessary part of a girls’ education.

  33. In my day only the wealthy boys went to uni too!

    One of the reasons I didn’t go to high school was the costs of uniforms and books…the other was me!

    When I announced to my parents I was not going to high school – at 14 – almost 15 (I had been put back a year when I arrived in Oz – ’cause the currriculum was different)…my father gave me an ultimatum…

    …find an apprenticeship or you go to high school…took me about two weeks…!

    …he was a painter…didn’t earn much…pretty clever but little education…when I got my place in uni (I was 40) we took my parents out with us to celebrate…he told me I just wanted a degree “for my ego”… “…yeah, I just love study, Dad…”

  34. Tom, the Kalmna Bin 28 is Coonawarra.

  35. Miglo:

    Tom, the Kalmna Bin 28 is Coonawarra.

    I think you forgot add *bitchslap* at the end of that comment.


  36. Miglo, my mistake. I must have had too much of it last night.

  37. Morning Tom.

    Did you feel the earth move for you last night?

  38. Married woman weren’t allowed to work in the Public Service either. I wonder what the rationale was, or was it just male chauvinism from the law makers?

    My things have changed.

    These days the amount of married women in senior management positions in the public service is extraordinary (although they do deserve their positions). There’s a story of one fellow in Canberra – who was sick to death of losing out to women when gunning for a promotion – turned up at an interview in a dress!

    When asked what his point was, he lifted the dress, dropped his jocks, pointed to his diddly and said “That’s my point.”

    He was transferred to Townsville.

  39. Hi TB, hubby was told to leave school as he had to work to help support the family (Jeff’s family were low income..his dad drove the baker’s cart/horse) and so took up an apprenticeship with Brownbuilt.

    My late dad was a belt maker with Hardy Trading. His education was to Grade 6..then he went fishing.

    Like you, I eventually got to uni too and at about the same age. We ‘mature age students’ romped it over the young’uns 🙂

  40. OK, if I must:

    Tom, the Kalimna Bin 28 is Coonawarra, bitch.

  41. Miglo, At least you got the spelling is correct this tiime.

    I was referring to the 128 last night, and I’ll admit that I’d had a few of them.

  42. Excellent Miglo – now we are all getting into the mood for Mardi Gras 😛

  43. TB/Min,

    I had to leave school early as well due to my father not wanting to pay for the school books etc. We were a working class family. Nobody bothered with an education when there was work to be done and money to be earned.

    My father expected the same of me. I could not break the rule.

    At age 43 I went to uni, the first in my extended family to do so. It’s just a pity that so many of my family missed out on opportunity beacuse they were sent out into the fields to work.

  44. “Miglo, At least you got the spelling is correct this tiime.”

    Yes I did. Now you can work on your grammar.

  45. PS. Checkmate.

  46. Migs/TB. I am an only child and so parents didn’t have a problem with books and uniforms for Canterbury Girls’ High (public school) however it was the standard of the education at girls’ schools that was particularly abysmal. My education included learning how to make cinnamon toast, how to make a roast dinner which included brussel sprouts (and you had to sit there until you ate it all), how to embroider and how to knit a layette for a baby. Oh yes, English, basic maths, geography and history…science was to Form 2 only unless you took the Professional Course.

    Then in Form 3 (Year 9) one was syphoned off into ‘streams’. Domestic (to become a domestic servant or get married), Commercial (to become a clerk), Commercial/Professional (to become a secretary) or Professional (for the well to do who might end up at university).

    My mother insisted that I do the Commercial/Professional course so that I could learn something ‘useful’ such as shorthand, typing and book-keeping.

  47. I’ve got a PhD from the school of hard knocks.

  48. Min/TB, I remember on Kangaroo Island the girls going off to lessons with their aprons, or hearing the clicking of typewriters from one of their other classes. We boys would go off to our agriculture class and learn about the anatomy of a cow.

    It was expected of us to leave school as soon as we reached the legal age to do so and help work the farm. Our education was designed to turn us into farmers.

    We moved to the city when I was 13 but Dad continued with the old ways.

  49. Reb, I thought that maybe you got a PhD in Shiraz. You sound so well informed and wise in the topic.

  50. yo bitches – The Kalimna Bin 28 is multi regional SA not just Coonawarra. You’re Thinking of the 128 which is Coonawarra. The Kalimna Vinyard is actually in the Barossa!

    But I I think I beat you all – I tried a Wynns Coonawarra Cab 2001, Balnaves Cabernet 2001, Penfolds 407 Cab 1999 and a couple of other cabs from around the same age – all very very good, but best of the lot was a Brookland Valley Reserve Cab 2002 – Fantastic!
    So there.

  51. all it takes is one smart@rse.

    Yes, I’m looking at your Dave 55

  52. :mrgreen:

  53. Game, set, match..

  54. Actually, maybe we three should have a virtual wine tasting one evening. We could each buy the same bottle and compare tasting notes online..

    Maybe we could schedule it in to coincide with the next Federal election? A sort of election night live blog wine and cheese evening….

  55. Actually after the art gallery exhibition last night we had dinner at a nearby restaurant, where we enjoyed a nice Shiraz – Mojo 2006…

    SA (I think)

    Heard of it?

  56. Mojo huh? haven’t heard of it – worth a try?

  57. Yep, It was only about $30 too…

  58. reb, on March 7th, 2009 at 11:59 am Said:
    Actually, maybe we three should have a virtual wine tasting one evening.

    Sounds good to me reb, that is if someone is prepared to supply me with Mateus.

    In the cupboard I have a Taylor’s Promised Land ’07 Cabernet Merlot. Is this one worth cracking the top thereof? Or would it benefit by a longer stay in the cupboard..or would it be suitable for the next roast beef gravy?

  59. Min

    Taylor’s Promised Land wouldn’t be at the top of my list but it’s not too bad either. Their Shiraz has one a few awards. I think the secret would be to let it breathe for a while – like 24 hours.


  60. Min, I hate to spoil the party but either use the Promised Land to marinate the chops in, or give it to someone you don’t like.

    It’s not a dreadful wine, it’s drinkable, but you won’t be rushing out to buy a case of it.

    And here’s reb’s mojo:

  61. but some (eg IWD)…tend to lift (women) and separate (men & women)…I much prefer equality…

    That’s what IWD is supposed to do TB, lift women. As to separation, men are allowed to celebrate IWD too, celebrate the women in their lives and show their support. Equality in all areas of life is still some way off for women, so even though you might prefer equality, it’s not our lived experience or reality as women know it. Women have to be lifted to become equal.

  62. Thanks fellas..and so the Promised Land is destined for the promised land aka the gravy.

    Migs..I think that you were just being polite.

  63. kittylitter, on March 7th, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    No probs with that KL…its just the one day thing – I celebrate the different skills and knowledge – stop…

    …thanks for allowing me to celebrate… 😉

    I do know many women still have to be “lifted” – (lift and separate was an attempt at a sexist joke BTW – an old Berlei{?} ad) – but so do some men…equality is a goal many search for – not just women…

    …but I do appreciate women and their abilities – the last two business proteges I developed were female and both landed my old job (different organisations), one now runs her own OH&S consultancy – she had a dream and I helped to make it come true – but she did the hard yakka…lotsa satisfaction…

    …my point is that it should be every day not one day…

    …I’ll leave it there…

  64. Min’s easy weekend Chicken Korma:

    Chop 1 onion and fry in a little oil or ghee
    Pan fry about 500g of cubed chicken fillets
    Throw in a jar of Patak’s Korma stir-fry
    Add 1/2 tspn garam masala and 1 tspn of chilli powder (the dark red one) and 3 chopped tomatoes.

    Serve with basmati, raita and naan.

  65. Min – nice pics, granny! My thoughts are with the matelot in those seas – still he’s with the best of the best!

    Migs – nice pics, you old bugger! More in common I see (re above)

    Gotta go and the trim the edges – so The Minister can mow this afternoon, KL! 😆

  66. TB: son is now a LS and so has the responsibility. Threatened to leave due to all the stuffing around, and after months of hanging by his thumbs has now been told that he has another 2 years in Cairns.

  67. Gotta go and the trim the edges – so The Minister can mow this afternoon, KL! 😆

    hehe, the minister certainly practices equality, nothing a man can do that she can’t do better!

  68. Min, that’s waht you’ve gotta do – take charge (and we both know the ADF is always desperate for good people…

    kittylitter, on March 7th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    LOL! Actually spilt some nice Hahn Premium then! (my reward – ’tis well over 30 degrees in the sun)…

    …nowhere dangerous but a loss just the same!

  69. “it was the standard of the education at girls’ schools that was particularly abysmal.”

    Min., did you girls ever get to use 8mm cameras or take part in photography and such? Not sure how old you are so…

    I was just going thru my ‘Encyclopedia of Australian Film’ that lists major films up to 1984. I was astounded at how few women film directors there were.

    Then I read this interesting piece:

    Some Significant Women
    In Australian Film
    – A Celebration
    And A Cautionary Tale
    by Jan Chapman
    (Senses of Cinema)


    Something that Jan Chapman said stood out for me:

    I was asked by a journalist recently whether I felt that I had been discriminated against by men in my career and replied somewhat glibly that on the contrary I’d received considerable support from men – from Phillip Noyce, who helped me with my early films, from Albie Thoms, who inspired me at the Sydney Film Co-op and gave me my first job in television on the ABC’s GTK in the young people’s department, and whom I assisted on their films Backroads (Phillip Noyce, 1977) and Palm Beach (Albie Thoms, 1979) during my holidays, and by Christopher Muir, the Head of Drama at the ABC, who gave me my first producing job on the 20 part series in the drama department “Sweet And Sour” – but without the influence and political lobbying of these women I don’t believe I would have had the subconscious conviction that I liked that collective involvement with an idea, that I could make films, and that what I wanted to say, even if intimate, domestic and personal in scale, was just as interesting as the mythic male legends.

    Some Aussie female directors I know & have enjoyed their films/TV series:

    Jane Campion, Gillian Armstrong, Jocelyn Moorhouse, Kate Woods, Nadia Tass, Tracey Moffat

    I wonder how many Aussies know them?


  70. “did you girls ever get to use 8mm cameras or take part in photography and such? Not sure how old you are so…”

    Same question for kittylitter, Jane & the other women commentors on here obviously. I love hearing about past lives, experiences.

  71. Actually after the art gallery exhibition last night we had dinner at a nearby restaurant, where we enjoyed a nice Shiraz – Mojo 2006…

    SA (I think)

    Heard of it?

    Yep,Mojo 2006, nice drop. Where’s SA, vaguely familiar, up near 1770 in Qld, ?.(Got strange names up there, even some of the towns )

  72. Having a vegetarian meal tonight, never tried one before, lots of celery, tomatoes, carrots, spuds, peppers, mushrooms and beef and lamb mince……Who said there’s no hope!.

  73. “Who said there’s no hope!.”

    lol…hey LM…S’ & I just listened to Blues Oz whilst we were walking…we both cracked up to the lyrics of ‘About Time’ from White with Nun…

    Blues is brill to walk to.

    Speaking of Mary Shelley’s ‘Frankenstein’ above do you remember this?:

    Edgar Winter Group – Frankenstein

    Cool sax.

  74. We’re having:

    Spinach & Lentil lasagne.

    Ingredients & instructions:

    Prepare a Bolognese type sauce:

    Fry up leek, onion, garlic, carrots, capsicum, zuchinni, chilli (celery optional)…add 2 cans of organic lentils…add herbs from garden such as basil, oregano, thyme, parsley…add a tin of diced tomatoes & vege stock. Add Coles Organic Nice & Spicy Pasta Sauce.

    Let simmer.

    Make White Sauce (Olive oil, milk, flour, parmesan, grated cheddar cheese, vege salt seasoning).

    Layer Vetta lasagne sheets (or other) on bottom of ceramic baking dish, add lentil bolognese sauce (see above)…then another lasagne sheet…then baby spinach w/ some of white sauce…then another lasagne sheet layer…top w/ pasta sauce by itself…& rest of white sauce…add thin layer of cheese to top it off.

    Bake in pre-heated 180d Celsius oven for 35 minutes.

    Sometimes we use chopped, steamed brocolli instead of baby spinach.

    Have w/ garden salad, heaps of olives & herbed garlic bread. And of course, red wine. See Miglo et al above for recommendation…:)


  75. Make White Sauce (Olive oil, milk, flour, parmesan, grated cheddar cheese, vege salt seasoning). Olive oil,eh.
    I’ll try that tomorrow night when we have vegetarian corned beef, recon that might be good, thanks, recon that would do the parsley a treat..
    Always learn,always.
    Photo’s excellent, listen to Poet, am well aware of your appreciation of music, so your response will be interesting. LM

  76. Nasking,

    You have a broad range of likes when it comes to music. I’m wondering if you like this piece – the Eve of the War, or maybe it was before your time.



  77. Definately Migs…was good fun. I was a big fan of H. G. Wells…& Justin Hayward of The Moody Blues. This went down nicely at the time. And what a voice Richard Burton had eh? Fine actor.

  78. Make that :
    D-E-F-I-N-I-T-E-L-Y…after all these years I still get it wrong…DOH!

    Migs, have you ever heard this from the film Code 46?:

    Song no.6


  79. Hi N’

    I don’t remember that one but I enjoyed watching it.

    I’ve found a way of saving YouTube videos to my iPod Touch and naturally I’ve saved Eve of the War among many others.

    It’s good to be able to watch stuff whenever you like, wherever you like.

  80. There’s only ONE Mojo, man!

  81. Ohhh yea TB…luv that voice…

    Muddy Waters – Hoochie Coochie Man (1970)

    “It’s good to be able to watch stuff whenever you like, wherever you like.’

    Cool Migs. Kinda makes you wish we had a few more hundred years to live eh? Tonite I’m partying like there’s no tomorrow. If it were up to some of the Israelis & Persians & Christian fundy kooks it might just turn out that way.


  82. Nasking:

    “Who said there’s no hope!.”

    Buggered if I know, but if had to hazard a guess it would be John McPhilbin.


  83. I’ll dedicate this one to reb…

    dedicated follower of fashion (with lyrics) – kinks


  84. reb, on March 7th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    Care, my friend, care…


    N’ now yer talking – The Kinks, yes and from London too, where talent has always been limited (am I showing my heritage?) 😀

  85. Wasn’t Marc Bolan from London TB?

    T-Rex – Children of the Revolution


  86. Speaking of London talent, the movie Gothic & dedicated kickers of HOPE up the bum:

    But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of.
    Lord Byron

    Byron was born in a house on Hollis Street in London, the son of Captain John “Mad Jack” Byron and his second wife, the former Catherine Gordon, heiress of Gight in Aberdeenshire, Scotland.
    (Wiki pedia)


  87. and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot

    Ah, The Hon. S Conroy has been doing homework. that’s good, don’t want a decision based on self interest, do we.

  88. Well I’m off to eat & listen to a CD sent by a good pal.

    One of my fave late 80s bands:

    House Of Love – Beatles And The Stones

    The House of Love formed in 1986 in Camberwell, London

    informs the lad born in Hammersmith Hospital…

  89. The Taliban only exist to burn schools, ban music, forcibly circumsize women, burn books, murder defenceless civilians and educated people, attack India, Pakistan and the United States, shoot test cricketers and destroy ancient religious heritage.

    If the Taliban nut jobs get the chance, they’ll soon have control of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons too. Think about that for a moment. Please consider what this would mean for all of us.

    If neandethal bigots like the Taliban are not worth fighting – and destroying – the West may as well give up, disarm and surrender all the fruits of our democracies today.

    Obama and Rudd are right. Unlike the Iraq debacle, this IS a war worth fighting. And winning. These brain-dead extremists want to take the entire world back to the dark ages. These fanatics want ignorance and religious dogma to be the defining characteristics of the 21st Century world.

    I say stuff that.

    We did not start this fight but we must prevail for the sake of the security of all nations throughout Asia – including Australia – and the wider world.

    We can’t negotiate with these fanatics. So what are the alternatives to making sure that NATO forces have enough boots on the ground to do the job properly – and ensuring enough resources are provided to rebuild life for the ordinary Afghan and Pakistani people currently stuck with these murderous lunatics?

  90. Miglo, like me you probably dig this:

    Venus and Mars & Rock Show – Paul McCartney and Wings


  91. My stepmom has the same name as this artist w/out the “e”…she is a wondrous person, born in Canada, who taught me to learn to like myself more…introduced me to a wider world…from Sci-Fi to transactional analysis (I’m OK You’re OK) to respecting women as individuals…

    she’s a NURSE…and an EDUCATOR…

    carole king – beautiful

    guess i got lucky


  92. S’ remembers this from her younger years…me from my teen years…on car radios…kinda corny…but sweet:

    Love Will Keep Us Together: Cap’n & Tenille

    That’s what we get for watching ‘That 70s Show’ lately…:)


  93. In Toronto in the 70s sometimes we’d ride around in vans & various parent’s cars, keys handed over…or we’d down a few Canadian Club whiskeys & brews… and stare out of apartments at the heavily lit city below, watching the ever blurring lights of cars chase each other like insects glowing in the chase…listen in a warm, chuckling haze to songs like this:

    Peter Frampton – Do you feel like we do Part 1

    so much love…friendship…imagination…little talk about violence, fear, war…whatever happened to that sense of kinship?…

    I guess we were the generation just post-Vietnam. Tryin’ to move on from the adrenal gland explosion.

    Then came the tabloids. And American so called REALITY TV.

    But for awhile…


  94. Peter Frampton – Do you feel like we do Part 2

    Good night…
    be cool.

  95. Just for you Joni……more tales of torture from an innocent goat herder…..


  96. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA, on March 8th, 2009 at 8:15 am

    What torture, Sparta? Thems the new customary international laws…it’s a-ok now for state-sanctioned goat herders to pick a random up in Phoenix, fly him to a detainment facility in Meccaco and slice’n’dice his manhood to a few tunes. I say, well done, lawmakers! See you in eight years, Sparta, and don’t bother to scream because there will be nobody to hear you.

  97. “See you in eight years, Sparta, and don’t bother to scream because there will be nobody to hear you.”

    This is true, especially on this site……..

  98. “This is true, especially on this site……..”

    Does this mean you’re leaving us Sparta? Surely not.

  99. Funny sparta, the guy was never charged and brought to trial so yes – he is innocent.

    And I still will shout out about the torture at Gitmo, and yes – if things have gotten worse under BHO then that is disgraceful and those responsible should be held accountable for their action.

    You see – I will hold the new administration to the same standard that I always have believed in. I will be vocal about any regime that allows, permit or promotes tortue.

  100. Joni,

    You so easily take the word of former captives….

  101. Yes, we’ll keep that in mind for eight years’ time. Ignore it now, for eight years, and then some. Sounds like a plan. Must not take Sparta’s word about unspeakable things done to him when he’s released. Sure, he’ll say he’s innocent and nasty things were done to him and others, but meh.

  102. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA, on March 8th, 2009 at 12:28 pm Said:

    “See you in eight years, Sparta, and don’t bother to scream because there will be nobody to hear you.”

    This is true, especially on this site……..”


  103. I’m thinking Bob had too much to drink last night and got caught off guard.

    Greens leader Bob Brown suggests Australia is in a recession
    “AUSTRALIAN Greens leader Bob Brown has waded into territory the prime minister refused to go near last week by saying Australia has to assume it’s in recession.

    Under questioning on Network Ten, Senator Brown was initially reluctant to use the word, instead saying the economy was “in reverse”.

    But then he said what Kevin Rudd managed to avoid saying last week.

    “Australia has to deal with itself as if it’s in a recession,” the Tasmanian senator said.

    “We would be very unwise not to assume that we are in a recession.

    “The fact is the economy is contracting, we’re seeing thousands of jobs being lost.”

  104. I’m not sure it’s wise to peg macroeconomic health to employment instead of impersonal numbers like GDP. Surely quarterly GDP is the relevant gauge for Australians of what constitutes a recession; and don’t let those pesky non-economists say otherwise! The Ferrari is ‘in reverse’, ok. But it’s not in a rut! Oh, and there will be no driving of the shiny red Ferrari for anyone who is over the limit or likely to fall asleep at the wheel. No excuses, not even impertinent ones!

  105. nasking, on March 7th, 2009 at 4:26 pm Said:
    “it was the standard of the education at girls’ schools that was particularly abysmal.”

    Min., did you girls ever get to use 8mm cameras or take part in photography and such? Not sure how old you are so…

    N’..apologies for the delay in replying as hubby and I have been out and about this morning on the hunt for lilly pillies for the front garden. New house, front garden = 3 shrubs, white stones, concrete and a bug-ugly front fence.

    I thought lilly pillies due to the color, plus to cover the aforementioned bug-ugly front fence..plus if the going gets really tought viz the economy, we can always eat the berries 😉 or I can make jam to sell at the markets.

    N’..one did Art in Forms 1 & 2 but then in order to continue with the subject, then you had to take the Professional course as Art was considered an ‘academic’ subject compared with say, cookery, needlework and typing and shorthand.

    Art consisted of crayons (wet and dry), powder paint and paper however in the senior years (yrs 11 &12) I believe that some girls were allowed to use canvas and ‘real paint’.

    Photography was most definitely not a subject..at least in public schools…there simply was not the tools and equipment for anything like this. Example, at Canterbury Girls’ High the science lab consisted of 1 bunsen burner and a sink and there was no hands-on whatsoever, one sat and watched the teacher do the experiement..or on the other hand you could have been up in the back row reading a book under the desk with Min 🙂

    I was born in ’51 and started High School in ’62 (age 11yrs).

  106. “Joni,
    You so easily take the word of former captives….” – Sparta.

    To joni’s credit, he does not take the word of former rulers.

  107. “and there was no hands-on whatsoever, one sat and watched the teacher do the experiement”

    Min. how things have changed eh?

    Did teachers run films on projectors? I think in those days Australian film was dominated by the Commonwealth Film Unit (aka the Film Division). Plenty of docos.

    Here’s some pics of old projectors:


    I don’t remember seeing much in the way of docos at primary school in SA during the 60s…recall we had to line up at the hall to see a film…if you hung about you missed out.

    I know what you mean about reading under the desk in the back row…can relate…:)


  108. N’ re: Did teachers run films on projectors?

    Was there any other way? Films (called fillums in those days) were held in the library once a week. This was particularly exciting because we (the kids) got to sit on the tables. This is the 50’s.

    I was at Burnley Primary as a teacher with a Grade 4 class when Neil Armstrong walked on the moon. The school had 2 televisions (black and white of course) and the junior school crammed into one classroom to watch the event.

    Speaking of cameras, I have a Kodak which I should imagine belonged to one of my grandfathers..one of those ones with the pull out bellows where it slides along a tray, then pushes back into a black leather casing.

  109. You might find this interesting to read Min.



  110. Great stuff N’. About time for another Australian film revival don’t you think.

  111. I give up.

  112. Did anyone get an opportunity to watch Channel Seven’s Sunday Night Special Edition – featuring Kevin Rudd and a panel of experts?http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunday-night/video/-/watch/12309266/

  113. “About time for another Australian film revival don’t you think.”

    Absolutely. I was visiting the Australian embassy in Austria in early 1982 (might’ve been late 81) & was given tickets to see ‘Gallipoli’. Was impressed.

    And I thought the Kennedy/Miller productions were top notch.

    Having spent nigh on 10 years overseas, upon returning I soaked up those films like The Chant of Jimmy Blacksmith (1978), Picnic at Hanging Rock (1975), The Picture Show Man (1977), Storm Boy (1977), Sunday Too Far Away (1975), The Devil’s Playground (1976), My Brilliant Career (1979), Mad Max (1979), ‘Breaker’ Morant (1980)…all powerful and unique.

    The Auusie movies shown regularly on the ABC back then, early-mid 80s, were also handy for someone trying to catch up on Aussie culture.

  114. John McPhilbin, on March 8th, 2009 at 8:11 pm Said:

    Did anyone get an opportunity to watch Channel Seven’s Sunday Night Special Edition – featuring Kevin Rudd and a panel of experts?http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunday-night/video/-/watch/12309266/

    Yes, I just caught it John.

    Lindsay Fox looks like he will copping a bit of flak from the RWDB brigade. He was right behind Rudd, in fact, any closer and…………………..

    He might be in for a bit of a shitstorm (its OK joni/reb, apparently its not a swear word anymore)

  115. Don’t worry Tom R, Lindsay Fox has always walked both sides of the political fence. He did a national tour with former ACTU secretary Bill Kelty in 1993, with the aim of promoting 100,000 new jobs.

  116. SUPPOSE the climate landscape in recent weeks looked something like this:

    Half the country was experiencing its mildest winter in years, with no sign of snow in many Northern states. Most of the Great Lakes were ice-free. Not a single Canadian province had had a white Christmas. There was a new study discussing a mysterious surge in global temperatures – a warming trend more intense than computer models had predicted. Other scientists admitted that, because of a bug in satellite sensors, they had been vastly overestimating the extent of Arctic sea ice.

    If all that were happening on the climate-change front, do you think you’d be hearing about it on the news? Seeing it on Page 1 of your daily paper? Would politicians be exclaiming that global warming was even more of a crisis than they’d thought? Would environmentalists be skewering global-warming “deniers” for clinging to their skepticism despite the growing case against it?

    No doubt.

    But it isn’t such hints of a planetary warming trend that have been piling up in profusion lately. Just the opposite.


  117. Anyone remember the TV series ‘Boney’?


    As someone who thinks way too many Aussie productions feature guns these days I found this comment from the article interesting:

    “Boney rated quite well both here and overseas, and in fact became the number one programme in Scotland. An American sale did not eventuate – the distributors could not understand why Boney did not carry guns! ”


    I didn’t realise Boney wasn’t played by an Aboriginal actor…but as the piece notes:

    Aboriginal actors featured extensively, and included David Gulpilil (who is also featured in the corroboree scenes on the opening and closing credits), and Bindi Williams, who previously played Kevin in Woobinda (Animal Doctor). An Aboriginal reserve at Papunya (240 kms from Alice Springs) provided several hundred Aboriginal extras for early episodes. “We have used more Aborigines in this series than have ever been used before in films,” said John McCallum. “The total number must run into three or four hundred. Almost everywhere we’ve been we’ve employed Aborigines.”

    Good stuff.

    I remember seeing Boney just before I left to Canada. Memories eh?

  118. Beaker from the Puppets sings “Yellow” by Coldplay.

  119. “did you girls ever get to use 8mm cameras or take part in photography and such? Not sure how old you are so…”

    Same question for kittylitter, Jane & the other women commentors on here obviously. I love hearing about past lives, experiences.

    Apologies for late response too N’, I worked night shift then had my daughter’s birthday get together after a quick nap.

    Not in my school years N’, just readin’, writin’ & maths plus history, french, latin, biology & geography. I took as ‘extras’ the subjects of Commerce (so I could learn to type and bookkeep) plus Art (painting , drawing and modelling clay).

    I did photography out of interest as a tafe like course, after hours at the local high school – really liked it too, had thoughts (as we all do) of my own little dark room and lab, which never eventuated as life got in the way!

  120. Miglo,

    Just for you……..


  121. Naskin re: about time for an Australian film revival..

    “In 1976 [good old Mal..Fraser that is], the government imposed a 50 percent local content quota on Australian television between 4pm and 10pm, which also helped spur the production of local programmes”.

    And just for another bit of nostalgia, the television series ‘Rush’ starring John Waters. Theme performed by Brian May and the ABC showband..sadly I can’t find a link for the music.

  122. Min, I’ve been trying to find that Brian May piece for years. I have it on a cassette, but who has cassette players these days?

  123. Thanks Sparta. Good to see that someone still reads the Australian.

  124. Miglo, on March 9th, 2009 at 3:23 pm Said..but who has cassette players these days?

    Umm, you, me, TB, N’ and Aqua if he wants to rustle one out of the back shed. And joni (hidden down the bottom of the sock drawer) and reb only he won’t own up.

  125. Min, I think ours went out in the last garage sale, along with the turntable that I wish I’d kept.

  126. “Apologies for late response too N’, I worked night shift then had my daughter’s birthday get together after a quick nap.”

    You’re a good Mum kittylitter.

    “had thoughts (as we all do) of my own little dark room and lab, which never eventuated as life got in the way!”

    Same here. The photos I’d see in LIFE & National Geographic mags hanging about Dad’s home was so inspiring. I spent a few mths taking B/W photos & developing them at York Uni, long ago, I dropped out for various reasons…but the smell of the lab and development chemicals sticks w/ me. Certainly helped me appreciate cinematography…how much effort is put into constructing a shot.

    Australia has bred some amazing cinematographers like Mandy Walker:

    Shattered Glass, Australian Rules, Lantana, The Well, Parklands, Australia (hmmm…maybe I will get it out on DVD)…

    Dean Semler:

    The Road Warrior, Dances with Wolves, Bodyline, Apocalypto, The Bone Collector…

    Christopher Doyle:

    The White Countess, 2046, Last Life in the Universe, Hero, The Quiet American, Rabbit-Proof Fence, Together, Chungking Express…

    John Seale:

    Witness, Rain Man, Dead Poets Society, Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone, The Talented Mr. Ripley..

    Dion Beebe: Charlotte Gray, Chicago, Equilibrium,
    In the Cut, Collateral, Memoirs of a Geisha…

    Russell Boyd: Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World, Crocodile Dundee, A Soldier’s Story, Tender Mercies, The Year of Living Dangerously, Gallipoli, The Last Wave, Picnic at Hanging Rock…

    And plenty of others.

    I love freezing frames of films w/ my remote…taking in the colour, depth of field, the lighting, use of filters, symbolism…

    I’m looking forward to the new Aussie film ‘Beautiful’ hitting the DVD shop…tho going to the cinema might be the best way to see it if yer that way inclined…the imagery, richness of colour looks fabulous. Cinematographer was Kent Smith I believe.


    I’m a sucker for superb cinematography, even if the storyline falters. They make good late night movies…

  127. “I’ve been trying to find that Brian May piece for years. I have it on a cassette, but who has cassette players these days?”

    I think you can get it here Miglo & Min:


    but you’d need that turntable…

    The casette player on our stereo still works marvellously. I have heaps of tapes I play regularly, particularly movie soundtracks & compilations my mates & I did years ago.

  128. Great link Legion. Very useful.

  129. Thanks Legion. Looks great.

  130. Min, on March 9th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    …and… I have a Super 8mm movie camera…and… I have an 8mm Sankyo sound projector that still works… with the help of ‘O’ ring seals instead of the drive belts (unavailable)…and… about 8 hours worth of edited sound film…and… a Certificate in 8mmm & 16mm Cinematography…and…its all about to be transfered onto my new Sony High Definition (you should see it on the Bravia!) 60Gb Hard Drive Video Camera…whew!

  131. TB:

    “I have a Super 8mm movie camera…and… I have an 8mm Sankyo sound projector that still works”

    Why am I not surprised.

  132. reb, on March 9th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    But you chose to ignore:

    “…my new Sony High Definition (you should see it on the Bravia!) 60Gb Hard Drive Video Camera…”

    Why am I not surprised?

    You pigeonholer, you… 😆

  133. Hee-hee…!

    Did one of your garndchildren pick out the Bravia for you?

    I surprised you were able to find the super 8 projector.

    Was it in the garage behind the 8 Track recorder, gramaphone and radiogram…?

  134. With apologies..still trying to catch up,

    N’..I have the original Afghan girl edition of National Geographic from ’85 plus a pile of others.

    I have a turntable, but it’s not well…that is I can’t obtain a stylus.

    Hubby has a huge pile of 45s, mostly Elvis (groan) and I have 78’s (mostly my dad’s) and 33’s.

  135. I don’t think I have any cassettes anymore – but I do have an old minidisc player. How ancient is that.

  136. Joni..that’s ok..

    Not many people have cassettes these days as they all have melted on the car’s dashboard…along with the sunglasses.

  137. Min

    I bought a cheap car a few years ago which had a cassette player and not a CD. And I was getting lots of mocking from my friends which increased when they found out it was so cheap that it did not even come with a cigarette lighter.

    Much mirth ensued.

  138. Joni..since when does the cigarette lighter ever work even on a squillion dollar dar.

    My car is a ’98 Nissan and the old girl works a treat.

  139. Umm car not dar..although dars work well too, as long as you can get the cigarette lighter to work.

  140. I just wanted one for the iPod on long trips.

  141. TB’s still trying to figure out how to plug his radiogram into the cigarette lighter..

  142. Everyone – have a look at the spam comment I have just approved. I have removed the email and the links so that it does not present a danger…. it is the last comment on the McDuck thread.

  143. And those damn wax-cylinders melt in the sun too, but at least they are wind-up.

  144. Have a look before they pull the curtain.. you have nothing to loose but everything to gain.

    Sincerly yours,


    Matt sounds like a hell of a nice guy. (Imagine someone giving away their secrets like that.)

  145. And I was getting lots of mocking from my friends which increased when they found out it was so cheap that it did not even come with a cigarette lighter.

    Nephew’s got a nissan skyline (I think). Anyway it’s a cultish kind of useless car which has a boot you could only fit a lunch box in and you can’t take it to the airport ‘cos it can’t fit luggage in!
    He’s got a radio in the car, but the only station he can get is the TAB!

    My elderly mother’s gone to Hobart to visit family and the power went off at her house, by the time we realised, she’d lost all the contents of her fridges and freezers (retch, vomit after the clean up). Well, when I was cleaning and sorting stuff, i found a food colouring bottle with the date on it of 1987! (must be so important that over the years, she’s carted it to three states).

    I hope there’s so much alcohol in the old food colourings that they never go off!

    Anyone for a nice iced cake?

  146. TAB. You mean the drink?

  147. Joni. Thank you. One heck of work done by you blokes, much appreciated.

  148. no joni, the sports station, horse-racing and stuff.

  149. Min


  150. Kitty..are you available for home visits for my mother? Plus TB’s mother and auntie.

    The only way that I could convince mother to throw anything away and this includes sage dated ’83 was to tell her that it would be good for the compost and that the worms would enjoy it.

    However, carting food coloring 3 states probably takes the prize. But on the other hand TB’s auntie’s antics are fairly impressive.

  151. And joni:

    joni, on March 10th, 2009 at 4:48 pm Said:


    Joni ????

  152. LOL Min – we are like a stuck record!

  153. Joni..perhaps we had better work out where the cigarette lighter is in the old Nissan.

  154. min and joni don’t forget to play my sentence game on the tea trolley thread.

  155. Yes boss..will check it. I haven’t had much time as son is at sea…due to the cyclone all ships out of Cairns were taken up north. Son had one day to kiss Mils and bubs and should be in Darwin by the 16th.

    Kitty..I am hopeless at word games but will give it my best shot. XXXes

  156. “TAB. You mean the drink?”

    I was in a TAB commercial shot in Sydney back in the early 80s. I had to stand in a park & throw a tennis ball at two young kids. It was ridiculous. But got paid 600 bucks…& got to chat to the cameraman. Tho 400 of the money went to the blasted agency.

    Apart from burping up Coke all over myself when trying to chug down it down for a screen test…& being told I was too young for a beer ad, the TAB ad was my only claim to TV fame…

  157. “My car is a ‘98 Nissan and the old girl works a treat.”

    Ours is Toyota Camry 93…but I won’t say it’s working well ’cause the bloody thing will pack it in. I’m a wee bit superstitious at times Min…:)

    And it only has a car radio…the tape player sucks. But my wife loves the radio on loud…various ABC channels…except when I’m in the car because she reckons she can’t hear the radio over my chatting & waxing lyrical…:)

    Tho we do take a cd player on longer trips. Gotta have music for the road trips.

    Unless we take a train of course.

    Haven’t tried an air balloon. Not good w/ heights.


  158. “I have an 8mm Sankyo sound projector that still works… with the help of ‘O’ ring seals instead of the drive belts (unavailable)…and… about 8 hours worth of edited sound film…and… a Certificate in 8mmm & 16mm Cinematography”

    Cool TB…I luv the sound of film rushing thru the projector. Watched quite a few oldies from the silent era…& 50s/60s…in a wee screening room at Uni…you get lost in them…the sound & flickering becomes hypnotic, sends you right back in time.

    My wife & I volunteered 15 years ago to categorise & label a number of QLD educational films, some to be sent off to Canberra film library from what I recall…good fun…watched a few. the colour was amazing. And some were sepia looking.


  159. “Hubby has a huge pile of 45s, mostly Elvis (groan) and I have 78’s (mostly my dad’s) and 33’s.”

    That’s right…78s, that’s what I was thinking of previously…not 45s. Thnx Min. They were the wee ones right?.

    I used to love speeding up records so they sounded like the Chipmunks. Hilarious.

    But the players could be so touchy. I can remember buying Alan Parson’s Project’s ‘Tales of Mystery and Imagination’ in the late 70s after getting hooked on ‘I Robot’. Was sitting chatting on the phone & our cat jumped on the record player lid & vigorously started cleaning themselves and the newly playing record jumped all over the place as the needle danced. I just about throttled that poor feline…:)

    Was nothing like those moments after coming home from a trip to town, holding that shiny new grooved vinyl in your hands…& then listening to its charms as you perused the cover art & read thru the lyrics. Often sprawled across the carpet (my body would go into agonising spasms these days if I tried to do same)…

    and a scratched record was a disaster.

  160. G’day, N’

    (Haven’t said hello for a while, thought it was time!).

    I remember you asking me about my background but never really got the chance to ask you the same question..?

  161. “I remember you asking me about my background but never really got the chance to ask you the same question..?”

    G’day TB…i don’t remember where you said you were from in the UK.

    I was born in London but lived the first 2 years in both London & Essex & travelling w/ my parents due to my Dad’s BOAC job…he left and I got an Air-force step-Dad who brought us to Australia when I was 4. I’ve visited, lived & worked in the Uk a few times…mainly Hove/Brighton area…& Yorkshire (Harrogate & surrounds). And Midlands where my Dad’s family

  162. nasking, on March 10th, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    Small world, N’

    I was born in Yorkshire WR, but my dad came from Eastbourne so the first four years of my life were spent in a boarding house! So I’m certainly familiar with Brighton & Hove (Albion was the football team!)

    My grandma used to buy and sell hotels in Eastbourne in the late 40’s, 50’s – she bought and sold two thirds of all the hotels at one stage or another. (My other Aunts and uncles ran boarding houses)

    From 4 yo to 12 yo, my family lived back in Yorkshire…we’de visit Eastbourne for Christmas, fond memories of Pevensey Castle, Hastings, Beachy Head, The Piltdown Man

    We emigrated in ’61 (I was not a happy chappie) – came straight to Brisbane (via Melbourne) – I immediately fell in love with the place (as did my parents and 7 yo sister)…

    …the sweetest sound is hearing the wheels of an aeroplane hit the tarmac on Brisbane airport…

    …I just tell everyone I spent 12 years in the wrong country – not my fault…

  163. “My other Aunts and uncles ran boarding houses”

    I lived in a boarding house for a few mths. in Brighton…comfy. Decided to go Brighton off the back of the album ‘Quadrophenia’ by The Who. Plenty of good walks on the beach, lots of Tennants Super Lager & plenty of other beers.

    Met a lovely Swiss girl who was attending one of the language schools there. She managed to break my heart a year later…after many expensive long distance phone calls…as oft happens…:) One of the reasons I backpacked across Europe & went fruit picking to survive…but that’s another story.

    In Brighton I worked in a Pancake Manor in the day & the Brighton club picking up glasses at night. The pay was dreadful & food, electricity expensive.

    When living in Hove for 3 mths I went once to the football…I think it was against Southhampton. Pretty exciting atmosphere…but bloody cold. The only bummer was the descendants of the bootboys would come down the road my residence was on & vandalise bus stops, post box, anything they could get their scummy fingers on. Used to terrify the oldies.

    So you were born in the West Riding area TB…it is a small world…I used to love visting York, marvellous city.

    My Dad’s family actually originate from Doncaster….but moved to Loughborough. When Dad lived in the UK during the 80s & early 90s (back in Canada now where he has many work mates & friends from the late 60s & 70s) he lived in a sweet little village (hamlet?) called Whixley.

    We used to take vigorous walks in the chill air of Yorkshire…that and plenty of pubbing…best way to keep warm. Our bloody radiator in our Harrogate bed-sit was hopeless and ate up 20p like they were going out of style.

    worked for British Telecom Reprographics for 6 mths in Harrogate…& 3 mths w/ the Yorkshire-Humberside Exam Board as a temp.

    I reckon I drank my way thru every pub in Knaresborough too. And visited the DroppingWell w/ its petrified objects.

    Don’t think I ever made it to Eastbourne down South.

    I agree w/ you on South-East QLD. And landing at Brisbane airport. So colourful & wide open…& warm…compared to the UK. Great place to visit the UK…bloody awful & depressing to live.

    Tho Canada has it’s charms too.

    I love my home here…& the laid back atmosphere…and my wonderful wife of 16 years in Sept (19 years living together) who comes from the Beaudesert area.

    and even tho her family are natural Nat voters (yes, i’m not allergic to them all…lol…Mike Ahern was a goodie) they are a good bunch, down-to-earth…we sometimes go on fun hikes & rides/picnics thru the country & coastal areas. S’s Dad has so many stories to tell of the old days. And her Mum loves gardening & cooking like us. They often supply us w/ organic veges from their wee farm.

    Interesting hearing about your English background TB.

    We’re both aquainted w/ Northern & Southern life in England…& don’t some of the people of those areas promote their differences…:) I hate the class thing. Guess that’s why I got to despise the Howard govt.


  164. Just to join in, I went to see Hove at home versus Stoke back in 1989.

  165. Who won joni? I think my game was a draw. Went to the pub after so not sure…:) Great beer in the UK.

  166. I think my answer is the same nasking… too many beers post game.

    I also went to see Stoke at home too. I am not a big football fan but did get to see:

    Arsenal at home
    Stoke at home
    Hove at home
    Stevenage at home
    Man U at home

    And I think I went to a League Cup Final at Wembley too…

    Sport wise I have been very fortunate to see lots of major sporting events. The highlights would be the 1999 Rugby World Cup final in Cardiff, a game of the 1994 World Series in Toronto (they won), a Stanley Cup final game in Vancouver, NFL Miami at Buffalo, plus lots of World Superbikes, F1 and MotoGP races too.

  167. Very cool joni.

    “a game of the 1994 World Series in Toronto (they won)”

    I saw the very first Blue Jays home game against the NY Yankees…the atmosphere was brilliant. I liked hot dogs back then. W/ mustard. And relish. And onions…don’t get me started…:)

    And chestnuts on cold nights after a great ice hockey game.

    “a Stanley Cup final game in Vancouver”

    cool…isn’t the game colourful?…those jerseys really stand out…I still have a Chicago Black Hawks one. I wear it in the winter sometimes. But there’s no ice hockey on then…:(

    The best game I ever saw in Maple Leaf Gardens was Montreal Canadiens & Toronto Maple Leafs…Ken Dryden in goal…my mate & I yelled out supportive comments to him when he was in the goal in front of us twice. At the end he turned and waved at us…we back patted each other all the way home.

    Talk about the iIrrational exuberance of youth…:)

    You seem well travelled joni. Due to your career?


  168. N’

    York – the real capital of England! My grandad used to say to me – “…dost thee want ta go inta York on’t Satday, lad…?” (and we would spend a day walking the battlements and the cobbles, fish n chips and home on the top of the double decker at the front – those wer’ t’ days!)

    The village I was born in is near/part of the town who’s rugby league team wear the same colours as the Broncos – I always thought that was cool…half way round the world and the same…

    …we have chestnuts on my birthday (end of June) we have an open fire, the g/kids love it, sparklers, marshmallows, potatoes in alfoil (just thrown in thier skins when I were a lad!) Hot brewed coffe and port – dribbling all over me keyboard!

  169. N’

    The first game must have been at the old exhibition ground.

    Blackhawks! Eeek. I am a Leafs supporter through and through. Use to live two blocks north on Dundonald. I would wander down for the start of the game and try to get a scalp ticket. Must’ve seen 30 games that season.

    Was in TO for the era of Clarke and Gilmour.

    And when I was in TO a few years ago I had a change to either see the Leafs or see the last ever concert by Midnight Oil in Nth America. I chose hockey.

    And yeah – a lot of it is because of work. So far I have worked in 12 countries (where work is longer than two months). Been very lucky.

  170. “…dost thee want ta go inta York on’t Satday, lad…?”

    Now then lad. I’m off up road to pub like.


    “we have chestnuts on my birthday (end of June) we have an open fire, the g/kids love it, sparklers, marshmallows, potatoes in alfoil”

    nice one. Brings back memories of a bevy of bovril and a murder of marmalade on toast.

    “Been very lucky”

    Sounds like it joni.

    I was gonna say that your luck doesn’t extend to the Maple Leafs…but then read this:

    Playing their second game in successive evenings, the Leafs scored an impressive 3-2 come-from-behind victory over the New York Islanders when Mikhail Grabovski broke an 18-game goalless slump with the winner 50 seconds into overtime.

    But like most of the weaker teams in the Eastern Conference, the Leafs have played well lately. They are now 6-2-1 in their last nine games.
    (Globe & Mail…March 10, 2009 at 11:39)

    Well whatya know. Since you mentioned them on here last time there luck…or skills…have picked up.


  171. there luck = their luck…grrr…

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