Midweek Mayhem!!

Welcome to Midweek Mayhem!

Our midweek thread where we get to talk about anything and everything – now catering to the intellect of Channel Seven viewers.

Now it might just be me (and Tom of Melbourne, I suspect too), that in the reb household our television viewing is largely limited to ABC1, SBS and ABC2.

Sometimes I will occasionally sneek over to Channel 7 to catch Today Tonight – for pure entertainment’s sake – or Border Security for its high-camp drama – the place where everyone gets stopped for “acting suspiciously.” I’ve often wondered what constitutes “suspicious behaviour” but then my mind tends to wander off.

But I digress.

It was during one of these brief interludes at Channel 7, where I came across an advertisement for a TV show called “Australia’s Got Talent.”

Apparently this is a competitive show where participants demonstrate remarkable talents that they’ve acquired through years of training, hard work and dedication.

I imagined that this is one of those worldwide syndicated shows, where the same show in China might feature a two-year old child reciting Beethoven’s fifth symphony on a grand piano, or in Britain might demonstrate the nimble fortitude of two nine-year old blind twins performing a synchronised ballet routine to the Nutcracker Suite.

That would be impressive I thought, as I poured myself another glass of Shiraz and marvelled at how I narrowly avoiding spilling any on the Versace rug.

It wasn’t long before I came to realise that our local version of this showcase of talent, has a considerably lower standard of entry.

Grant Denyer, the diminutive doll-like host of the show, was practically wetting himself with excitement as he revealed that tonight’s show featured a guest performer who could whistle “Delilah” through a couple of cheezels stuffed up his nostrils, while another contestant bearing a baseball cap covered in mentos prepared to immerse his head in a bucket of cola. Apparently thus creating a chemical reaction that would cause much froth and bubble. “Wait til you see what happens next!!” hollered a fever-pitched Denyer.

Personally I wanted to see a team of people rush on stage and hold his head down until it exploded, but that wasn’t to be.

“All this and more” screamed an apopletic Denyer “on Australia’s Got Talent!!”

“Australia’s Got Talent?” I wondered, with a kind of semi-dazed expression, If that’s the best we can do, we’re in a lot more trouble than I thought.

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190 Responses

  1. I am sitting here with tears streaming down my face. Great post reb.

  2. If it’s any consolation joni, I think most of the “contestants” are from Queensland.

  3. Reb..this is obviously something that you really needed to say.

    Sadly the Min household currently has only Sky as we are waiting for Little Miss Fix-it to come down from Brissy to sort out the connection. Failing this, will have to call a technician.

  4. I should add..wonderful description reb..I can (sadly) visualise all of that..cheezels and mentos.

    Meanwhile, over there in China or in Europe they are subjected to such boring stuff as children playing Beethoven or a blind violinist. Jeez…

  5. Sorry to cut in on the frivolity but just when can citizens say enough is enough to big brother?

    Police get covert search power

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/police-get-covert-search-power-20090304-8nyg.html

    I don’t want to hear the ‘if you’ve got nothing to hide …’ garbage.

    I hate this NSW ALP government with a vengeance.

  6. Sans Blog, from the article you linked:

    “The warrants will be issued through the Supreme Court and limited to investigations of suspected serious offences punishable by at least seven years in jail.

    These offences include the manufacture of drugs, computer crimes, the sale of firearms, homicide and kidnapping. ”

    I’d say that the perpetrators of such crimes should be treated with all the heavy-handidness that Big Brother could muster.

  7. Wow, so I just finished watching “Australia” and what a utter piece….I cannot believe that after a 100 million dollar plus budget you guys ended up telling the same old story of the Aboriginal experience at the hands of the evil white man….Way to go there Buz, let’s keep dwelling on the past and what divides us. No wonder the movie bombed, you almost get the impression the public is becoming bored with the same old rubbish! I guess it had to be a period piece, I mean, we certainly can’t open the can of worms that is Aboriginal culture today…Funny, you guys call it “child protective services” now instead of Assimilation?

  8. Sparta..mind your mouth. My grandie is 1/4.

  9. Sparta,

    How cooincidental.

    “Australia” the movie was doomed from the start as soon as “the walking whitegood” was cast in the lead role.

    Whenever I see Nicole Kidman I just want to wipe her down with a chux cloth.

    She’s been the kiss of death to every movie she’s starred in for the last ten years.

    And even when she was a redhead, she only landed roles because of her (weird) relationship with Tom (I’m not mental) Cruise.

  10. Whoops sorry, I was thinking that Sparta was making denegrating comments about Aboriginals and Torres Strait Islanders viz: you guys ended up telling the same old story of the Aboriginal experience at the hands of the evil white man….No wonder the movie bombed..the public is becoming bored with the same old rubbish!

  11. And I believe that Australia is now the 2nd highest grossing Australian film ever in Australia.

    So much for a movie that “bombed”.

  12. Wow, so I just finished reading Sparta’s blog and what a utter piece….I cannot believe that he keeps carrying on about the the same old story debunking the Aboriginal experience at the hands of the evil white man….Way to go there Sparts, let’s keep dwelling on the past and what divides us. No wonder your opionions bomb, you must surely get the impression the Blogocrats are becoming bored with the same old rubbish! I guess it had to be a period piece, I mean, we certainly can’t open the can of worms that is Aboriginal culture today…Funny, you call it “child protective services” now instead of Assimilation?

  13. Hollywood directors such as Martin Scorsese and Baz Luhrmann have also complained that actors with Botox injections have reduced facial expression.

    ‘Their faces can’t really move properly,’ complained Luhrmann, director of box office smash Moulin Rouge. And Scorsese said so many actresses have had Botox that it is difficult to find someone able to express non- verbal emotion, particularly anger.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-159606/Stars-frozen-Botox.html

    Well, why the repeated use of Nicole Kidman in your movies, Baz?

  14. Migs..have to choof shortly. As Sparta says, Just the same old rubbish.

    Sparta, my very good friend from Tassie is married to a serviceman of the Laguna tribe. He’s a sergant..and how they met is another story…

  15. I’d much rather see Sparta’s ideas debated openly, and not have him shut down immediately because his comments are seen by some as politically incorrect.

  16. Sparta, while most Australians remain ignorant as to our history of European/Indigenous relations, I think they need all the education they can get. I know that it bores you. May I suggest that you deal with it.

    A mini series called Kings in Grass Castles was shown on TV about 10 years ago, depicting life on the Australian frontier, which included cruel acts upon the Australian Aborigines.

    I recall a number of viewers commenting that they had no idea that the Aborigines were subjected to such ill treatment, until then.

    We need to continue with the education of the ignorant.

  17. Tony, I’ve often debated with Sparta in the past on Indigenous issues, yet he continues to write the same old same old. As such, I treat him with contempt.

    Until he learns to approach this sensitive issue with some maturity, I will continue to do so.

    Hence my own immature response. IMO, it’s all it deserved.

  18. Fair enough Migs. (I didn’t mean to come over as a smart arse; I just think all opinions can be catered for here.)

  19. “She’s been the kiss of death to every movie she’s starred in for the last ten years”

    Actually reb, even tho I dislike the whole celebrity A-list thing w/ Kidman…I do think she was fabulous in

    The Hours (2002)
    Dogville (2003)
    Birth (2004)
    The Interpreter (2005)
    Fur: An Imaginary Portrait of Diane Arbus (2006).

    I’m going to watch ‘The Golden Compass’ this weekend so can’t judge that yet.

    But possibly you’re talking about box office earnings. ‘Moulin Rouge’? (I think it made moolah, tho wasn’t up my alley).

    Cheers
    N’

  20. Fair enough Nasking.

    Yeah she was good in The Hours. Dogville was “interesting” and she wasn’t bad in The Invasion but someone with a bit more emotional range would’ve been better IMO.

    She returns to “fridge face” form for The Golden Compass” quite befittingly playing an Ice Maiden.

  21. BTW, did anyone watch Rose & Maloney on ABC2 last night?

    It’s a top show…

    🙂

  22. As a follow on from Miglo..so ok Tony, what were Sparta’s ideas other than: you guys ended up telling the same old story of the Aboriginal experience at the hands of the evil white man….No wonder the movie bombed..the public is becoming bored with the same old rubbish!

    Blogs are good are none know what color your are.

  23. Sorry reb..I know that you were looking forward to something light-hearted..just got my dander up given that grandie is 1/4.

  24. “a quarter of what?”

  25. Me too Min. I got my dander up. But it’s nothing that a couple of hours at the golf club can’t fix tonight.

    Now if I may change the subject to something that’s close to reb’s heart – shiraz – may I tell you old buddy that I consumed an absolute cracker over the weekend. Coriole 2002 McLaren Vale Shiraz. I’m kicking myself that I only ever purchased the one solitary bottle. It was pure ambrosia.

    Everything else is now going to taste like cask wine.

  26. Well since you asked Min, why are Sparta’s opinions any less worthy than yours, even if your ‘grandie is 1/4’? Or any less worthy than Miglo’s, even if he has studied the subject at uni. Or any less worthy than a full blooded aboriginal who has a doctorate in aboriginal studies?

    Sans blog mentioned on the bullying thread that he was reluctant to say something about schooling being feminised, because he might be seen as politically incorrect. That’s the result some people want, so they won’t have to justify their position.

    No-one has a monopoly on opinion.

  27. We’ve all seen it before, but because it’s excellent..

  28. “now catering to the intellect of Channel Seven viewers.”

    The only show I watch on Ch.7 is ‘Lost’. Generally it doesn’t run over recording time…which is my top beef w/ the free-to-air channels. That and the barrage of crap shows like the one you so humorously mentioned.

    “If it’s any consolation joni, I think most of the “contestants” are from Queensland.”

    Well, one begins to wonder when you see the political spectacle in Beaudesert. Pathetic really.

    “…“Australia’s Got Talent?” I wondered, with a kind of semi-dazed expression, If that’s the best we can do, we’re in more trouble than I thought.”

    Yea, kinda reminds me of the Japanese torturing contestents on TV…and the American top model & Jackass stuff.

    The “dumbing down” of a population for profit.
    N’

  29. Coriole 2002 McLaren Vale Shiraz. ?

    Thanks for the Tip Miglo! I’ll keep an eye out for it…

  30. “No-one has a monopoly on opinion.”

    Some people have opinions. Others have knowledge.

  31. Min,

    Someone once sang (or sanged?)

    “What we need is a great big melting pot…”

    hugs
    reb

  32. Well, I had a call from the nab today. Very nice gentleman asked how how he could make the nab banking experience better. I suggested he halve the interest on my, not insubstantial, credit card debt. Well goodness me! He will have to refer that to another department and could I confirm the contact number? Gosh, HE rang me! Banks…….

  33. Tony..sadly you are twisting my words around. In fact I said very few words. Of course Sparta’s words are very worthy in fact I would looking forward to him/her to expanding on these.

    Good grief Tony..

    Did you in fact read what Sans said? Apologies, to Sans as to me it’s not good form to try to drag another person into the argument..however here goes..Oh, Min, bless your heart: you’ve said what I wasn’t game enough to say.

  34. “She returns to “fridge face” form for The Golden Compass” quite befittingly playing an Ice Maiden.”

    lol

    Tony, what exactly does “feminisation of teaching” mean? Many of the schools I was in focused full-bore on sports, and manual arts. And some of the GO GO GO sports teachers were female who took no sh*t from the kids. Too much “old hat” generalisations. And nothing to do w/ the boring Neo-Liberal mantra of “political correctness” in my opinion.

    I’m beginning to think this blog is turning into Rush Limbaugh & Karl Rove holidaying w/ John Howard.

    🙂
    N’

  35. Miglo, Coriole, I reckon make s the best best McLaren Vale shiraz and has done so for many years. First tasted it in 1980 on a rather pissy wine tasting trip with a mate. It was the standout red of the trip. Bought it regularly for a number of years before the cost exceded my budget. Fantastic drop!

  36. Nasking:

    “Tony, what exactly does “feminisation of teaching” mean?”

    I have no idea what that means – you will have to ask Sans Blog and Min who were having that discussion.
    My point was about the shutting down of debate through playing of the PC card.

    “I’m beginning to think this blog is turning into Rush Limbaugh & Karl Rove holidaying w/ John Howard.”

    Sorry to disappoint you Nasking, but I’m not going anywhere. (I’d hate to see you lefties having all the fun.)

  37. reb, on March 4th, 2009 at 4:41 pm Said:
    “a quarter of what?”

    reb..a quarter Torres Strait Islander. Be careful or else you will be inundated with baby pics.

  38. Fair point about dragging someone else into it Min, but you left a bit out. Here’s the full comment I referred to:

    https://blogocrats.wordpress.com/2009/03/03/scary-guy-big-heart/#comment-25481

  39. nasking, on March 4th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    At the level of opinions it’d be just as easy to call it the ’emasculation of teaching’, or the ‘coincidence of de-professionalisation of teaching status as teaching became women’s work once the ‘living wage’ was eradicated by the neo-liberals and women were forced into the workforce, or ‘mass education as public commodification of private child-rearing and the destruction of the family business’, etc.

  40. Tony, on March 4th, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    I’d be guessing that it refers to the declining rates of male involvement in the public educations of children, practically and culturally, for a whole raft of reasons, and the wider implications for society of that occurrence.

  41. well finaly saw grand torino, Not bad but very clever.
    Eastwood still has it. the sadest part of the movie was seeing how much he had aged since i saw his last movie.
    i found it hard to laugh at the name calling (gooks, spicks).
    ——————
    i had my wrist cut open after an infection occured, looks like im one handed for a while. Time for movies.
    ——————
    Watched “black water” yesterday and i liked it but the only why a movie can be scary is to have dumb people with dumb choices play the rolls to frustrate you.

  42. Tony..the full quote (from your link) is:

    Sans Blog, on March 4th, 2009 at 10:55 am Said:
    It is my belief that education especially in the primary school years is far too female oriented (shoot me). Little boys are expected to act like little girls, expected to concentrate for extended periods of time with little physical activity. [The above is my, Min’s comment quoted by Sans].

    Oh, Min, bless your heart: you’ve said what I wasn’t game enough to say (see how some of us are cowed by political correctness). [Sans comment].

    My son never had a male teacher until year 7. All the principals at my children’s schools have been female as have the majority of teachers. In most instances when someone is interviewed on educational policies that person is a woman. [Sans].

    Education, at least in NSW, is far too female-oriented and ‘little boys are expected to act like little girls’ hits the nail on the head’. [Sans quoting me, within the quotation marks].

    I mentioned above how all my son’s friends drifted away from school between y10 and the HSC exam; I believe the main reason for this is that boys are not stimulated in school these days by the syllubus, and there is no way they are allowed to expel that male physical energy.

    I maybe old-fashioned but I believe, due to the different ways boys and girls develop, single-sex schools are the way to go as the first step in raising boys’ self-esteem and educational outcomes (I’m sure it was cost-cutting measures that caused their loss not a belief in some social cohesion policy wank). [Sans comments].

    By gee the above is a wee bit challenging and confronting isn’t it.

  43. It’d actually be interesting to know what was meant by the author, though…and the full argument presented…can see very little point in (self-)censoring expressed thoughts on the basis that some others won’t like those thoughts or might mount counter-argument.

    Still, I’m intrigued, also, by the notion that having an opinion is notionally democratic, but a truth claim is less so. It seems one of the confusing tensions in democratic societies.

  44. Yes thanks for that Min. I have no opinion on whether or not education is too female oriented. The money quote as far as the point I am making is:

    (see how some of us are cowed by political correctness).

  45. “I’d hate to see you lefties having all the fun”

    I don’t see anyone closing down debate. I don’t see any political correctness. I just think it’s odd that people are trying to attribute SO CALLED problems w/ student behaviour to a lack of males in the classroom. One only needs to look at the onslaught of violent & sexually-titillating DVDs, computer games, news shows, info-tainment shows, music, comics, mags, movies, network sites and other forms of advertising riddled technology that young children get access to in order to see where the major problem lies.

    That and the slackness of overworked &/or disinterested parents.

    Personally, I’m not big on censorship…rather, I prefer parents & guardians do their job.

    but to blame the so called “feminisation of teaching” is kinda laughable to me.

    Certainly certain ATTITUDES can have deletarious effects…but the idea that “more men in teaching will save the world”…nah. Besides, don’t we already dominate the military & sports worlds?…and how kick-arse is that?

    🙂

    N’

  46. Tony, I am of the opinion that boys are indeed different to girls..amazingly. That male children need far more role models than are currently available by encouraging more males (probably due to better salaries) into teaching. That the needs of male children has been overlooked in recent years.

    I am not much into political correctness because I figure that all of us are part of the human family.

  47. “I don’t see anyone closing down debate.”~Nasking

    What would you call this:

    https://blogocrats.wordpress.com/2009/03/04/midweek-mayhem-18/#comment-25546

  48. And Tony, min then said sorry at 345pm.

  49. Fair enough Joni. Sorry Min, I didn’t see your retraction.

  50. N’.. it’s a matter of appropriate male role models. Rather than as you say…the only role models being onslaught of violent & sexually-titillating DVDs, computer games, news shows, info-tainment shows, music, comics, mags, movies, network sites..

    I personally have great faith in blokes, married to one and my father was one also.

  51. “Thanks for the Tip Miglo! I’ll keep an eye out for it…”

    It’s nice of you to do that for me reb. Let me know when you find a bottle and I’ll give you the forwarding address.

    If you happen to find two, please feel free to keep one for youself.

  52. A one-handed camel!

  53. “I personally have great faith in blokes, married to one and my father was one also.”

    🙂

    “am of the opinion that boys are indeed different to girls..amazingly.”

    We come in all shapes, sizes, colours, moods, have varied sexual preferences and have a cornucopia of skills & cognitive abilities Min. Just like women. In fact, I prefer to see us as individuals than slaves to gender tags.

    Oneday our bodies will hopefully have evolved beyond the point where we can be stereotyped. Tho I guess even in the future (if we make it) Humans will find a way to CAGE each other:

    “The long necked space Homnads are so graceful & far more intelligent than the squat Earthbounders”…

    but I do get your drift Min. But I doubt w/ this economic downturn men are going to need much incentive to join the education department again…:)

    And the likely hood of “fair” incentives and increased pay looks rather distant w/ the falling tax revenues. Tho they may introduce a dreadful “Performance Pay” as a backdoor way to hold back most teachers wages. And use the troubling concept of “failing schools” to close schools, sack teachers & re-hire on less pay.

    I expect no less from lazy politicians spurred on by a corporate media run by moguls desirous of paying less taxes in the support of private education.

    N’

  54. “BTW, did anyone watch Rose & Maloney on ABC2 last night?

    It’s a top show…”

    Caught it first time round on ABC1 (I think) reb – and yes, it is a top show.

  55. In fact, I prefer to see us as individuals than slaves to gender tags.

    Isn’t that the crux of ‘problem’…the exercise of cultural ‘preferences’, whether personal or totalising, independent of the substrate of biological and empirical investigation of the matters at hand? It’s not some arbitrary categorisation after all, nor value-laden to see a difference and to respond to those differences where there are differences.

  56. “I’d be guessing that it refers to the declining rates of male involvement in the public educations of children, practically and culturally, for a whole raft of reasons, and the wider implications for society of that occurrence.”

    Legion, perhaps we need to see more males being assisted by government to stay at home and help rear the young children whilst Mom &/or gurdian is out working? That’s another way for children to get access to more male role models in this contemporay world.
    N’

  57. A one-handed camel!

    Just dont mention the clap

  58. Migs,

    I tried to find the Coriole on the way home but the closest I could get (in a shop with very limited choice) was “D’Arenberg McLaren Vale – The Footbolt 2006 Shiraz.

    Just supping on the first glass now. Very full bodied. But tasty. Now where did I put that aged cheddar….

  59. One only needs to look at the onslaught of violent & sexually-titillating DVDs, computer games, news shows, info-tainment shows, music, comics, mags, movies, network sites and other forms of advertising riddled technology that young children get access to in order to see where the major problem lies.

    That and the slackness of overworked &/or disinterested parents.

    I’m with you Nas’, let’s blame bad behaviour on female teachers, not the fact that the TV is used as a babysitter, parents are too scared (because of media concentration) to even let their kids outside to play and many parents are too tired & stressed from work commitments to give their kids the time of day. Then there’s the large number of sole parents, who the govt. thinks should be out working instead of home with their kids.

    No, it’s the feminisation of teaching. Why isn’t there an uproar from concerned citizens about the issue? Why aren’t men demanding their equal opportunity to be teachers?

    I say thanks to the women teachers who are committed and care enough to be there right now, doing it for the kids and the profession, battling on with low pay, little thanks and plenty of criticism from their employer and the general public, male and female.

  60. “Oneday our bodies will hopefully have evolved beyond the point where we can be stereotyped.”
    Just love to see ‘N heading along to the local CWA meeting carrying a carrot (for lunch) chewing on celery and complaining of joggers nipple.

  61. Oh, and speaking of role models…a teacher friend of mine recently said a grade 9 girl, who was partaking in the practical activity of house designing, interrupted the class by yelling out:

    “Did anyone see Underbelly last night!”

    And we wonder why some kids are losing it.

    N’

  62. “I say thanks to the women teachers who are committed and care enough to be there right now, doing it for the kids and the profession, battling on with low pay, little thanks and plenty of criticism from their employer and the general public, male and female.”

    Well said kittylitter
    N’

  63. Hear Hear Kittylitter.

    I don’t even know what the “feminisation of teaching” is meant to mean anyway.

    Some of my best teachers were women, and some of the most useless and moronic were men.

    In my experience, women teachers will persevere to ensure the child really grasps what is trying to be taught.

    But overall, I think it is the QUALITY of teaching that is important, not the gender of the teacher, and the resources they have available to them as teachers’ aids that make the real difference.

    Of course, smaller classroom sizes also makes a huge difference.

    To me, gender of the teacher really has nothing to do with it.

  64. “Just love to see ‘N heading along to the local CWA meeting carrying a carrot (for lunch) chewing on celery and complaining of joggers nipple.”

    🙂

    It’d be more like N’ carrying a wholemeal lavash filled w/ hommous, radish, cucumber, tomato, lettuce and chilli…

    as for jogger’s nipple…remember the male bra scene in Seinfeld LM? What a classic.

    SERENITY NOW!
    N’

  65. What a very serious thread, for MM…

    Bugger this – here’s racism, sexism any ism yer want its a JOKE…

    ‘Y’know’, said the Scotsman, ‘I still prefer the pubs back home. In Glasgow there’s a little bar called McTavish’s. Now the landlord there
    goes out of his way for the locals so much that when you buy four drinks he will buy the fifth drink for you.’

    ‘Well’, said the Englishman, ‘At my local, The Black Bull, the barman there will buy you your third drink after you buy the first two!’

    ‘Ahhh, that’s nothing’, said the Irishman.’Back home in Dublin there’s Ryan’s Bar. Now the moment you set foot in the place they’ll buy you a drink, then another, all the drinks you like. Then when you’ve had enough drinks they’ll take you upstairs and see that you get laid. All on the house.’

    The Englishman and Scotsman immediately scoffed at these claims, but the Irishman insisted that every word was true. ‘Well’, said the Englishman, ‘Did this actually happen to you?’

    ‘Not me meself, personally, no’, said the Irishman, ‘But it did happen to me sister’.

    ————

    Now any more jokes about my suit and I shall charge you with suitism…or is it lowesism?

  66. reb, last time I saw coriole in a bottle shop was bws. Around $25 a bottle. About what I paid for a case in the 80’s. Sheesh.

  67. “reb, last time I saw coriole in a bottle shop . . . ”

    . . . I bought it.

  68. Coriole?

    Isn’t that the name of The Godfather’s family?

  69. “Tony, I’ve often debated with Sparta in the past on Indigenous issues, yet he continues to write the same old same old. As such, I treat him with contempt.”

    Umm..That is a laugh there Miglo. Besides throwing out your credentials, you have yet to get anywhere close to a debate. In fact, you have been shut down on more than one occasion but always manage to escape with the “I am at work” excuse when boxed in. Debate, you should try it once.

  70. Coriole & Footbolt – good choice.

    I like the Warribilla Reserve cab sav or Taylors Jaraman Shiraz at the moment.

    I think our recession will cause the price of good wine to go on a steep downward spiral. Fantastic news!!

  71. “Until he learns to approach this sensitive issue with some maturity, I will continue to do so.”

    My apologies, I didn’t realize sensitivity trumped reality, very mature?….Sorry, this one’s for you Miglo, Feelings, nothing more than Feelings…. Miglo, perhaps you could try moving on some day there mate? Please explain to me how bringing up the “stolen generation” as you guys call it or apologizing for it has done anything to advance the Aboriginal cause? Quite the paradox if you ask me, that many of the Aboriginal elders have called for the return of the “Missions” or something equivalent as the only way to save their people? Sorry if the child protective service comment got under your skin but it is simply a reality individuals like yourself choose to ignore or blame away on the grog; as if Aboriginals are to ignorant to think for themselves or it is some “white” conspiracy they are powerless to resist? I simply don’t see how focusing on the past or demonizing assimilation has anything to do with addressing the rape of children, lack of education etcetera. How do we expect them to move on if we can’t? You and others like you are the problem Miglo. The proof is failed “sensitive policies” resulting in the modern day Aboriginal life; oddly they are worse off now under years of these “sensitive policies” then they ever were under any forced “assimilation”. Assimilation…the horror!

  72. “You and others like you are the problem Miglo. ” (Sparta).

    Wow. Big call.

  73. And LOUD CHEERS for Logan Council.. Logan City Council moves to ban poker machines.

    http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25138847-952,00.html

  74. If i may say it with the simplicity of my thoughts Sparta.

    Can we agree there is a problem if not the same reasons.

    how is doing nothing, which is what your barracking going to help anybody?
    ———————————

    I’d be very happy if you asked Miglo something complicated and thought out.

    i only say that because you say Miglo is the type of person who’s thoughts damage a process from moving forward(the problem).
    How is your comment positve and helpful.?
    ————–

  75. Miglo, your a P.S
    what are you doing up so early. hehehe

  76. “Umm..That is a laugh there Miglo. Besides throwing out your credentials, you have yet to get anywhere close to a debate. ” – Sparta

    Frankly, you’re not worth debating with. Your original post yesterday implied that we Aussies were overkilling the colonial race issue. I objected to your statement. Last night you come racing back with a whole heap of contemporary issues, for which you blame me, and which has nothing to do with our topic of yesterday. If I wish to be involved in a debate with someone, I’d like the topic to be a bit more static and I wouldn’t expect my opponent to label me with some sort of blame game.

    “Miglo, perhaps you could try moving on some day there mate? ” – Sparta.

    Please feel free to try it too. You should have observed by now that my posts on this issue have always been in response to your continual dribble. You really are the proverbial broken record.

    ” . . . it is simply a reality individuals like yourself choose to ignore or blame away on the grog; as if Aboriginals are to ignorant to think for themselves or it is some “white” conspiracy they are powerless to resist? ” – Sparta

    I don’t ever remember saying that, and I never would. Another prime example of why intelligent debate would be wasted on you.

    “I simply don’t see how focusing on the past or demonizing assimilation has anything to do with addressing the rape of children, lack of education etcetera.” – Sparta

    I agree with you on that one. But on the same token, I don’t know too many people who blame contemporary issues such as sexual offences on past colonial practices.

    And returning to: “You and others like you are the problem Miglo. ” – Sparta (of course).

    I had time to chew on that one driving to work. Your ignorance had me chuckling and I take pity on your stupidity. But I guess the best way to prove you wrong would be to accompany me on a visit to all these Aboriginal people that I’ve helped “create a problem” for. Man are you in for an eye-opening experience. But I would warn you against making the same claim to these people as you did to me.

    They are my brothers.

  77. Miglo, your a P.S
    what are you doing up so early. hehehe

    Aqua, I worked through the night.

  78. Aquanut,

    “How is your comment positve and helpful?”

    Well I wouldn’t say my comment is necessarily positive, it is realistic. Every time I have put an opinion forward concerning the Aboriginal, dribble as Miglo now calls it or thoughtful, depending on the day you catch him/her, it always “eludes” to past grievances committed against them as rationalization for any bad behavior. Our last discussion was concerning what he insisted was a benign existence between the Aboriginals prior to the “first fleet” no warring amongst them etcetera. I provided links that suggested otherwise, his response was to try and discredit the source as being racist or tainted with such leanings or that he would get back to me, or that he was at work and couldn’t discuss it. The flick I was commenting on does much the same. I simply don’t think it helpful to fixate on the past, what was, what might have been. If Aboriginals and “white fellas” are to get along they need to get past the sins of the fathers and grandfathers and move forward together. Dwell on what unites them not divides. This incessant harping on about past grievances only continues the bleeding………This movie just helped open wounds.

  79. Sparta

    So we will wait for your criticism of any other movies that also drag up the sins of the past.

    How about some criticism of “The Reader” which drags up the holocaust?

  80. “I provided links that suggested otherwise, his response was to try and discredit the source as being racist or tainted with such leanings . . .” – Sparta

    Sparta, you are a liar. A complete and utter liar.

  81. “So we will wait for your criticism of any other movies that also drag up the sins of the past.” – joni

    Perhaps we could start with a number of Yankee movies. Dances With Wolves comes to mind.

  82. If you’re going to insist on referring to them as “Aboriginals”, could you at least go the next logical step and just call them ‘Others’ or ‘labels’ in your Other-ed account of unity and progress, Sparta?

  83. I used to be a good draughts (checkers) player. An extremely good one at that.

    I always preferred to play against a skilled opponent as I could think like them and thus predict their moves. To play a novice was so frustrating because they had no idea what they were doing and played that way accordingly. It was just so hard to fathom their logic.

    There is a particular blogger here that to debate with is like playing a child in draughts.

  84. LOL and good point Legion. Perhaps we should all refer to them as Edward Said’s Others from this pont on.

    After all, Aborigine is a just white man’s construct. Aborigines didn’t know they were Aborigines until the white man told them they were.

    “Others” is much less stereotyped.

  85. I have hurt many people in my life and viceversa as im sure we have all done at some stage.

    I know that when i make a mistake and over react, the the victim is not so easily fixed with a sorry and avoiding him. It takes working on from my part over a period to prove i was regretful and give the confidence(my choice by humiliating myself and showing my weaknesses) that i have learnt something and possibly not repeating the act.

    Im really failing on getting my point across so i want to bow out before i frustrate myself.

    besides the way im talking im putting everyone in the same boat. Thats not my intention, the issues covers such a wide area of subjects its to hard for me to cover enough through my one handed camel typing skills.

  86. No Aqua, you did well.

  87. “Frankly, you’re not worth debating with. Your original post yesterday implied that we Aussies were overkilling the colonial race issue.

    My apologies, I meant to imply Buz and those of his ilk, like you I suppose but not all Aussies….

    “I objected to your statement. Last night you come racing back with a whole heap of contemporary issues, for which you blame me, and which has nothing to do with our topic of yesterday.

    Objected on what grounds other than the perverbial, “I am an expert”? I especially liked the part of you reffering to my opinion as a piece of….Very intelligent indeed..Then you seem to think my comment divides and not the opinion that has as the villian as an evil white man, white men trying to take them away, leave them on an island to be bombed etcetera. Yes, fills me with warmth all over……

    “If I wish to be involved in a debate with someone, I’d like the topic to be a bit more static and I wouldn’t expect my opponent to label me with some sort of blame game.”

    Again, we have never debated, you mention your credentials, bore and then I ask you to comment on something but you always seem to be a bit busy….Opponent, well perhaps I will just label your comment as a piece of this or that and declare victory?

    “Please feel free to try it too. You should have observed by now that my posts on this issue have always been in response to your continual dribble. You really are the proverbial broken record.”

    Is this not an open post? Your responses have been nothing but resume waving, resume waving, resume waving, resume waving…….

    “I don’t ever remember saying that, and I never would. Another prime example of why intelligent debate would be wasted on you.”

    Again, this is not a debate, never has been. You usually start by insulting my comment, we make piece, start to engage and I introduce a piece or link that you are to busy to address. In a nutshell……Then resist, and stop commenting unless you can add something to the contrary professor, aside from insults?

    “I agree with you on that one. But on the same token, I don’t know too many people who blame contemporary issues such as sexual offences on past colonial practices.”

    Then you agree with my original post? That is in essence what I said? I mentioned the “sexual offences” as many have suggested it is simply a grog issue, again the fault of the “whites” for which we must now bare the responsibility….

    “I had time to chew on that one driving to work. Your ignorance had me chuckling and I take pity on your stupidity. But I guess the best way to prove you wrong would be to accompany me on a visit to all these Aboriginal people that I’ve helped “create a problem” for. Man are you in for an eye-opening experience. But I would warn you against making the same claim to these people as you did to me.”

    Thanks Miglo, as I take pity on your ego and condescension. The best way to prove me wrong….Why not consider that my opinion is just that and if you have evidence to the contrary, like the movie I was commenting on is one that divides instead of unites, then do so. Another tactic of yours, you always label my “dribble” ignorant but seem devoid of any counter other than your resume? Very enlightening indeed……

    Aboriginals you have helped…Perhaps if more people would let them help themselves? Was it not the actions of the missionaries to “help”? Are Australian officials not now “stealing children” out of dysfunctional homes? Seems the more we help the more damage is done? How about we treat them like people and not children for a change? Clarify your meaning if I am far off on this one.

    “They are my brothers.”

    Do you mean literally or just more interesting than your own? Probably not too many degrees in European culture out there these days in high demand? Funny, Aboriginals that become as interested in European culture are labeled as sell outs or were “stolen” and those that embrace “Aboriginal culture” are deemed enlightened. Amusing……..

  88. “Sparta, you are a liar. A complete and utter liar.”

    Miglo,

    You can start by commenting on this piece for me if you wouldn’t mind….
    http://138.25.65.50/au/other/IndigLRes/rciadic/national/vol2/48.html

    Seems even here, Aboriginal warfare is rare but not denied to exist as it is by some. Proceed to Chapter IX in this piece when you have the opportunity.

    http://www.archive.org/stream/tribeintertribal00wheeuoft/tribeintertribal00wheeuoft_djvu.txt

    Bring back any memories there “professor” or am I still lying you arrogant ass……….This was a post in late Jan…….Care to call me anything else or perhaps you would like to provide your resume again?

  89. Legion,

    “If you’re going to insist on referring to them as “Aboriginals”

    Interesting, what is Miglo’s degree in again…..Perhaps when Aboriginals/academia stop labeling all those of European descent as “white fellas” you may actually have a point? How many Aboriginals are taught the differences between English and German culture I wonder? Until then, turn off the PC radar for a bit please…….

  90. Just to add a little to Kitty at 6.46 yesterday evening..sorry for the delay in replying: I say thanks to the women teachers who are committed and care enough to be there right now, doing it for the kids and the profession, battling on with low pay, little thanks and plenty of criticism from their employer and the general public, male and female.

    I should have mentioned that I started off as a Primary School Teacher..attended Toorak Teachers’ College (Stonnington). Those were the days..student teachers were paid to become teachers via studentships. My best school, the one I loved the most was Burnley Primary where half the class were non-English speaking and so we used to seat an English speaking child next to a non-English speaker so that one child could translate the lessons for the other. No such thing as specialist language assistance in those days. Many of the kids were latch-key and their eagerness for learning was truly astounding.

  91. Silence……golden! You must be to busy now?

  92. Ah yes sparta, just like when you go silent on torture issues….(cheap shot).

    This is a blog and people do have to get on with work etc, so please just let people respond when they get a chance.

    And Australia has actually taken USD $200 Million worldwide. Not bad for a movie that you say has “bombed”.

  93. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA, on March 5th, 2009 at 10:08 am

    Does the Dunning-Kruger effect mean anything to you, Sparta?

  94. Joni,

    Like clock-work you pipe in to defend Miglo and his/her comments while coming after mine despite the obvious. No offense Joni but I have been here before with Miglo and hence the reason for my comment. Of course, maybe he would prefer to call me a liar again?

    In regards to your “torture” comment, I don’t see the point in carrying on with a conversation whose base hasn’t even been defined. Like the “legal” definition of torture for which the World Community can agree on? It just makes sense that if we are going to condemn individuals we first should all be on the same sheet. Then and only then do we precede with proving them guilty of. Exactly why the claim has yet to go anywhere and why Obama has not immediately closed Gitmo himself. He too must be guilty of the “policy” of torture then or perhaps I am missing something on this point? Like I have said repeatedly, the acts of some do not suggest a “policy” was in place despite your obsession with the latter. If and when evidence of such a policy is ever uncovered I will join you in calling for the heads of GW and company. Until then, I will reserve judgment. Hardly silent my friend, just think we have exhausted this one…..

  95. “Does the Dunning-Kruger effect mean anything to you, Sparta?”

    I am not the one who started the personal attacks yet again nor am I on about my experience or alluding to the stupidity of others here. I certainly wouldn’t ask such a question as you just have either there Legion…….

  96. This arrogant ass has been at a meeting.

  97. Sparta

    Torture occured at Gitmo. The US convenor admitted it.

    But keeping Gitmo open is a different issue from torture. Two different issues.

    But my point was that you go silent on the torture threads, just like you accused Miglo on.

    Now – any comment about the USD $200 Million bomb?

  98. This arrogant ass is now going to lunch.

  99. “Torture occured at Gitmo. The US convenor admitted it.”

    Yes, in her opinion but last I checked her “opinion” was not law?

    “But my point was that you go silent on the torture threads, just like you accused Miglo on.”

    Yes, I understood your point Joni, like I said though; we have engaged in this discussion at nausea and always get back to the crux of the matter, what constitutes torture? How do we define it etcetera…Besides, you have always alluded to their being a policy of torture in place, not just isolated incidents Gitmo?

  100. Whoops….

    Yes, movies are judged on their debut sales (opeinng weekend, day, week etc…) as you know!

  101. It’s amazing what you find in Manila..

    http://www.mb.com.ph/node/197651 Quote: WASHINGTON (AFP) — President Barack Obama’s administration Monday lifted the veil further on previous “war on terror’’ methods, as it ruled out the use of waterboarding as an interrogation technique because it amounted to torture.

  102. Sparta

    I did not know that movies are purely judged on their opening.

    Did the other blogocrats know this?

  103. joni, on March 5th, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    The real question, joni, is do we care…

    I haven’t even seen Brokeback Mountain yet…

    …and Australia (and all its obvious cliches from the trailers) is wa-a-ay down my list…

  104. LOL

    You have not seen Bareback Mountain???

    It’s got it all – gay cowboys, great scenery, great music…. and did I mention gay cowboys? Yeehaa.

  105. I think I’ve probably missed the main point behind this debate, and I can’t say I’ve actually seen the movie yet but I had thought part of the reason why we still have people making movies and docos (The First Australians) about this sort of thing is because there is still a lot of people in this country who don’t realise just how bad things were, myself included. I’d like to think that it helps promote some empathy toward the Aboriginals, which can’t be a bad thing.

  106. TB

    You promised me you were going to watch Brokeback Mountain..!

    However I agree, “Australia” is way down the bottom of my viewing list. If only someone with acting ability like Toni Collette played the role instead of fridge face, then I might have more interest…

  107. Is that arrogant ass of a duck back from lunch yet…
    ??

  108. And that duck don’t wear not pants either.

    Arrogant and naked!

  109. “I’d like to think that it helps promote some empathy toward the Aboriginals, which can’t be a bad thing.” deb

    That’s a point I agree with deb. Not only empathy, but some understanding.

    But don’t listen to me on the matter. There are far greater experts on this blog site.

  110. OK reb and joni, dare to make fun of me hey? Well there’s been a lot of talk about asses on this thread so I thought this story would fit in.

    A gay man decides to get a tattoo on his buttocks. On arrival at the tattooist he spots a picture of the heavyweight boxer Evander Holyfield. ‘Oh! He’s my favourite darling. Can you do him on the cheek of my ass?’ he asked the tattooist.

    So it was done.

    On the way out of the store he spotted another picture on the wall, this time Mike Tyson. ‘Oh, good Lord!’ the man blurted out. ‘I just adore Iron Mike! Can you do him on my other cheek?’

    So it was done.

    On returning home, his boyfriend says, ‘Well, drop your trousers, give us a look.’ He dropped his pants and showed his ass. His boyfriend gasped and replied, ‘I think our relationship is over! I sure as hell aint getting in the ring with those two!

  111. Joni re Bareback..plus Jake Gyllenhaal to perve at..sigh. Weren’t they thinking of making #2 before Heath’s sad demise. What about Jake taking over the Ennis role? Could work…

  112. Fellow blogocrats,

    Check this out…

    It’s a presentation that was recently given to a group of Sony execs. It illustrates how fast the world is changing. Some pretty staggering stuff…

    http://www.flixxy.com/technology-and-education-2008.htm

  113. “And that duck don’t wear not pants either.

    Arrogant and naked!”

    Mmmmmm, with that double negative in the first sntence wouldn’t that mean he is wearing pants?

  114. “But don’t listen to me on the matter. There are far greater experts on this blog site.”

    Don’t worry about that one there chief, some simply aren’t interested in stepping out of their own ideology and will obviously carry the water for you. If your “expertise” is anything like your memory or your inability to admit when you’re wrong, you might want to get your money back for the advanced education you always feel compelled to mention. Oh yes, “checkmate”!

  115. And it’s “Brokeback,” Min “Brokeback!”

    You were venturing into another completely different territory there for a minute….

  116. Sparta, I didn’t learn what I know from university. I learned from actually getting out into the world and seeing life for myself (unlike some who rely on web pages for their knowledge).

    Oh yes, “game, set, and match”.

  117. Re Miglo and pants. This is why he sits behind a desk all day.

  118. Huh, on March 5th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    Hi Rigles

  119. “Sparta, I didn’t learn what I know from university. I learned from actually getting out into the world and seeing life for myself (unlike some who rely on web pages for their knowledge).”

    Strange now you imply that it is life experience that counts instead of the university education for which you proclaimed made you the authority before? It is ok Miglo, I understand your pathology quite well. Narcissism is not easily confronted, similar to alcoholism. First you have to know you’re an alcoholic before you can begin recovery. I certainly don’t want to deconstruct your psyche on this blog though as I have your claim, it may be too much for the ego….Heading to bed (a.k.a. going silent)………….In Baltimore Maryland for a spell and the jet-lag has set in…………

  120. Reb/joni,

    I take it you didn’t like my tattoo joke. I suppose it’s just one of those days where some people don’t like my posts.

    I guess I’ll just have to take my pants off a get back to work.

  121. Good grief Sparta, give it a rest. The things that we know about Miglo is that he lives in Canberra, has an honors degree, speaks fluent Pitinjarra and snores (thank you Jedda for the last one).

  122. “Hi Rigles”

    I’ll pass it on when I visit the hospital later. Poor Rigles is still there – turns out it’s pacreatitis and he’s is on a “Nil by mouth” diet. Imagine 6 weeks without food!

  123. “Heading to bed (a.k.a. going silent)………….”

    Thank Christ for that. Do you usually sleep for long? Can I suggest a few sleeping tablets?

  124. “Good grief Sparta, give it a rest. ” (Min).

    It’s OK now Min, he’s going nightie nighties. He has his teddy and his dummy and mummy is about to tuck him in.

    No doubt he’ll dream up some more knowledge in his sleep.

    PS – I’m loving this.

  125. Miglo,

    There was nothing wrong with your tattoo joke per se. It just wasn’t all that funny. Sorry.

    Here, take these two golf-ball size supositories.

    If symptoms persist, shove one up your @rse.

  126. After i go to the cinema in Morayfield an hour later a bag with sticks of gelignite were found. The place went into lockdown.(isnt the idea to evacuate people)
    ———-
    Migs at least you can put pants on, i have to perform some weird looking fit just to get the leg in.
    _____

    some parasite tried to build its home in my wrist, like i was vacant or didnt live here anymore. well they evicted it and its belongings and im left feeling violated and empty.(hope someone is eating)

    oh well, still wish i could wear pants.

  127. Sorry reb. If I thought you wouldn’t like it I wouldn’t have posted it.

    I owe you a bottle of shiraz.

  128. Aqua..I am still trying to come to terms with the image of a camel wearing a wetsuit.

    Sigh..you missed my Will Ferrell comment re Elf, that tall guys can look good in tights. Or maybe it wasn’t very funny (probably).

  129. Miglo

    Just back from lunch and I loved the joke.

  130. I have to admit Min, i look spunky compared to fish in the same outfit.

  131. “Just back from lunch and I loved the joke.”

    Good. You can give reb the bottle of shiraz.

  132. Migs,

    Please PLEASE don’t that just because I might not like something – doesn’t necessarily mean that it ought not be posted.

    A bottle of Mitchelton Peppertree Shiraz will do nicely thank queue, or a bottle of that posh McLaren Vale one that you mentioned yesterday..

  133. “I have to admit Min, i look spunky compared to fish in the same outfit.”

    Why would you want to put a fish in your wetsuit? I’m puzzled.

    Aqua, there’s something you’re not telling us.

  134. I thought what i was doing was normal.

    (Backs away slowly and curses Miglo’s thoughts)

  135. Give me the wine. Give me the wine. Give me the whine.

  136. Aqua..as long as you consider what you are doing is normal. However, I’m little concerned about the psychological effects on the fish.

  137. I hope it wasn’t an octupus.

  138. Reb, I bought you a bottle of this:
    https://www.nicks.com.au/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductId=6018

  139. And i put on my iPod and the first song that comes up in shuffle mode is Neil and “Play me”.

    ahhhh – and all is right in the world. 😛

  140. aquanut, on March 5th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    aqua, obviously anything you do is decidedly NOT normal…everyone here knows that…except you of course… 😉

  141. Oh why thank you Miglo!

    “The palate displays real finesse and elegance”

    Just like us…

    🙂

  142. Joni, I have a Neil Diamond song on my iPod. Solitary Man.

    I also have a song by the Monkees called Look Out (Here Comes Tomorrow) that Neil Diamond wrote.

    You are not alone.

  143. reb, on March 5th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    Hey, sreb!

    I just checked Migs’ link and saw the price as I was “returning” to Blogocrats – had to go back to check – still shaking my head – how much do we pay PS these days? Astounding! (…and obviously too much!)

    BTW, a promise is a promise and I will watch the movie about gay cowboys who are really heterosexual – or is the other way round – OK I’ll watch the movie…

    …can I bag it then? 😆

  144. “…can I bag it then?”

    Yes of course.

    I’d just be a bit wary about complaining about the clobber they’re wearing.

    Y’know glass houses n’ all that…

    🙂

    😉

  145. joni (and Migs),

    …my song list (I was going to say repertoire but sreb, being Taswegian wouldn’t understand and I know he occasionally tries to keep up with my posts) includes Play Me, September Morn and Shilo

    …I was never an ND fan but found the midi files last year and found I could sing them – all great party songs too…

  146. TB..If you bag it, then I want a 2nd opinion from The Minister.

  147. Min, on March 5th, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    No you dont! 😉

  148. “midi files”

    is that a small drink…?

  149. altogether now…

    Young child with dreams
    Dream, evry dream on your own
    When children play
    Seems like you end up alone

    Papa says hed love to be with you
    If he had the time
    So you turn to the only friend you can find
    There in your mind

    Shilo, when I was young
    I used to call your name
    When no one else would come
    Shile, you always came
    And wed play

    Young girl with fire
    Something said she understood
    I wanted to fly
    She made me feel like I could
    Held out my hand, and I let her take me
    Blind as a child
    All I saw was the way that she made me smile
    She made me smile

    Shilo, when I was young
    I used to call your name
    When no one else would come
    Shile, you always came
    And youd stay

    Had a dream, and it filled me with wonder
    She had other plans
    Got to go, and I know youll understand
    I understand

    Shilo, when I was young
    I used to call your name
    When no one else would come
    Shilo, you always came
    Come today

    Dream every dream on yer tod, aye awe aye……

  150. Miglo, on March 5th, 2009 at 4:01 pm Said:
    Joni, I have a Neil Diamond song on my iPod. Solitary Man.

    Migs and joni..I have it on LP.

    Awww Song Sung Blue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_rCiY3SgRQ

  151. Min,

    Let me rephrase that:

    A solitary man has a Neil Diamond song on his iPod, joni.

  152. joni and Migs,

    reb, on March 5th, 2009 at 4:26 pm Said:
    “midi files” is that a small drink…?

    …see what I mean- it just gets so hard…everything has a single meaning to him – eg if I said I was feeling quite gay at the moment – what do you sreb, would think…and I am quite happy at the moment – no hospital visit to the mad aunt… 😯

  153. so has anyone here seen the Australian movie “Black water”. about a croc that wants to eat people and people who are scared to be eaten. Im sure you will share the tension from the movie. Me, i would of just eaten the croc

    ____
    psychological effects on fish
    octopus
    not normal

    My friends are special.
    one’s short as 😉
    one works nude
    and the other has dried peas.

    🙂 hehehe

  154. Aqua,

    I’ve seen it. I thought it was good.

  155. Say,

    did anyone see that Prince Charles has been named by Esquire Magazine as the World’s best man?

    Obviously the judges never made it down to Tasmania, and even if they did, they would’ve bypassed Queensland completely…

  156. Thank you Mr Lofty, so now it’s just a matter for the audience to work out who is who.

  157. “World’s best man?”

    LOL. Put down that bottle of Shiraz, reb.

  158. Esquire has gone to the dogs…

  159. thanks Reb,
    I did think they captured the emotions well in that movie, and how dessisions are made poorly under pressure.

    i liked the actors too, never seen them before other than the boat driver.

  160. Sorry

    “World’s best dressed man”

    (Thanks Huh)

    😉

  161. “World’s best dressed man”

    Bad enough they voted him best dressed. All I can think is that the judges were a) blind or 2) my mum’s age AND have never seen reb in his purple pinstripes

  162. Huh, lmao
    ——
    Queensland has a man in tights, im sure the magazine will take a second look and then move on quickly.

  163. Best man or perhaps Best dressed?

    Good Grief !!!

    Esquire has still gone to the dogs…

  164. A sad world isn’t it reb..they’ve obviously never seen a Queenslander in moleskins.

  165. I’m baaack.

    ..are you still Queensland bashing sreb, one quick stopover and you know all about it – “I’ve been to Southbank and the Gold Coast”

    …did you notice most of the people there weren’t Queenslanders? That’s where we hide all the tourists so they don’t want to emigrate to Queensland…

    …how many emigrate to the land or the two headed monsters? We in Tasmania done a real good thing…

    …in fact Tassie is so tiny and unimportant that we don’t even bother with a nickname for youse… :green:

  166. I’m sorry TB, I really should give it a rest…

    As you say, it was just one stopover, it’s just that….how can I say….it was….like…..a real ‘eyeopener’

    🙂

  167. Does anybody know what time it is in Arizona?

  168. LOL!!

    You’re not planning a “wake up” call are you Miglo..?

  169. BTW, tonight’s shiraz is McLaren Vale Killibinbin “Sandtrap” 2006. Very full bodied. And quite bold in its character, forthright and decisive…perhaps it should be thrown in as part of the government’s stimulus package.

    Can I interest you in a half corona Miglo..?

  170. Reb, I just snuck one in while Jedda went shopping.

  171. Miglo, use this time zone converter:

    http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc

    N’

  172. “I just snuck one in while Jedda went shopping.”

    I hope you had time for a cigar too….

  173. reb, on March 5th, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    no apopolexy 😀 required, sreb I know you can’t help it…

    …BTW I thought you had gone teetotal?

    Gotta go, we have our neighbour from across the road for dinner – fancy TB and The Minister entertaining a nun! The Catholic Church owns the home and three nuns live there…

    …Gemma…is a lovely lady…in her 70’s…gentle… but switched on…

    Reminds me of, sreb… 😆

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    Migs, WT “clink”

    (You need to research what happened to the indigenous population of Arizona after the white settlers got there…)

  174. “LOL!! You’re not planning a “wake up” call are you Miglo..?” – reb

    No chance mate, he might get grumpy. God knows he went to bed in a grumpy mood.

    I might just let him stew for a while.

  175. TB

    I’m kind of on again – off again teetotal…

    When I’ve been off the grog for a few days, I feel fantastic and think “let’s celebrate with a drink!”

    And then the whole cycle begins again…

    Anyway, I’m not beating myself up about it…Life’s too short…

    TB & The Minister entertaining some nuns? Sounds like fun!

    Sometimes Catholics can be incredibly insightful and entertaining. And I don’t mean that in a ridiculing way. Sometimes they really are genuinely nice people.

    It’s just a shame that their “leaders” are so narrow minded and divisive…

    anyway, have a top night TB!

  176. “(You need to research what happened to the indigenous population of Arizona after the white settlers got there…)” – TB

    No need to research old buddy. They were all shot. I saw it in a movie. And another movie. And another.

    Those American movies are all the same.

  177. Migs,

    This shiraz is going down rather nicely…

  178. Make sure it stays down.

  179. Miglo

    I have just got in from dinner, and I am physically laughing at the “what time is it in Arizona” line.

    Just perfect. I tips me ‘at to you.

  180. reb, on March 5th, 2009 at 8:12 pm

    sreb, thanks, we had a top night and I agree – Gemma should be promoted to Pope ASAP!

    As for lifes too short, I agree, its about this long –

    ..am I agreeing too much? It bothers me…

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Miglo, on March 5th, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    You sound just like, Sparta!

  181. Is there anything better than DSOM in 5.1 and a glass of Shiraz?

  182. 45cm’s of gauze stuffed into a little hole in the wrist,
    it’s always polite when security stands outside the door because you refuse an injection(local).
    because i carry a lot of cash i guess he was just making sure i didnt get robbed or share it if i was.

    i have been to them so many times and know me by face(most staff do anyway) and i get this, makes me not want to go back.
    Having time to think about it i guess it would be worse if a nurse got injured as they are so relied upon, its just a precaution.

  183. Min those gizmos i tried a mobile phone once,twice well after i broke a number of them i felt lost everytime, like life had ended and i was alone.

    i feel worse now but at least i dont have a mobile.

    Nuh i feel much better not having that stuff or trying to keep up. Computer will do for my needs.

  184. “This shiraz is going down rather nicely…”

    reb, I suggested you put the bottle down not drink it down…

  185. May I enquire as to what a DSOM in 5.1 is?

  186. DSOM – Dark Side of the Moon
    5.1 – SACD surround sound mix

  187. Thankyou Joni. My education continues.

    Speaking of education, where’s my teacher today?

  188. And here I was thinking it had something to do with bondage and discipline…

  189. That’s tomorrow night reb!

  190. Let me guess – “The Barracks?”

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