DD – X marks the spot

Well Nick Xenonphon seems to be getting all of the blame for the failure of the stimilus package in the senate, but remember that the opposition (led by the ex-merchant banker) opposed the package from the day it was proposed, and they did not even make any amendment suggestions in the senate. So who’s actually not trying to be positive about helping the Australian economy?

And late last night the bill’s were passed in the lower house and will be re-introduced to the Senate today. And if they do not get passed then the government then has a trigger for a double-dissolution election (update: ToSY has a link  in comments that shows that a DD is not on the table at this point as the bill must get presented again after a period of three months), and is that something that the oppositions really wants? The good money suggests that the opposition really thought that the bills would get through the senate so that they could say “see – we did not vote for it” when the economy gets worse, but if the bill does not get passed today then they will wear the full brunt of the anger from the voters when things get worse.

I personally do not think that Rudd will pull the trigger on a double-dissolution election as we need to have a politicians that are working for Australia and not working for their election.

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  1. An Early Federal Election?
    By Antony Green

    The biggest obstacle to an early election is the Constitution. The only early election that the Rudd government could call would be for the House of Representatives. The Constitution prevents the government holding a half-Senate election before 7 August 2010. The government also cannot call a double dissolution because it does not have any legislation that has yet met the constitutional requirements for a double dissolution…

  2. Politicians will always behave as politicians. The government will make political capital out of the opposition and vice versa.

    The only thing we can be certain of is that their decisions will be expedient and cater to their own narrow political interests.

  3. ToSY

    Good link… but if you read on further:

    However, the Rudd government cannot currently call a DD. None of its current legislation has become a trigger for DD. Even if the Senate rejects the government’s stimulus package, it would have to wait three months before presenting it again to create a trigger. Much more likely is that some form of compromise would be reached on the package rather than have months wasted while searching for a double dissolution trigger.

  4. TOSY (via Antony Green) is on the money. Note the time constrainys in Section 57.

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/coaca430/s57.html

    Tom:

    “The only thing we can be certain of is that their decisions will be expedient and cater to their own narrow political interests.”

    Tom, I don’t share yours and Ayn Rand’s cynicism. Altruism is still alive and well in some sections of Australian politics. But Selfishness as a Virtue?

    http://www.objectivistcenter.org/cth–406-FAQ_Virtue_Selfishness.aspx

  5. I could be drawing a bit of a bow here, but I think one of the legacies of the previous federal government was a bit of a change in language that had politicians claiming credit for being engineers rathers than facilitators. In truth, when Costello “created X amount of jobs” it really should have been “encouraged an environment where X amount of jobs could have been created”. I don’t think it is for the government to play too direct a role in markets. It is their job to manage major infrastructure etc. Most people I think agree that the cash handout we could do without. Some like the pink batts, I think they are the responsibility of the homeowners, and besides, the manufacturers won’t be able to supply regardless, or so I read. Too much direct government intervention simply has too many “unintended consequences”. There will be a bit of hurt in Australia, but nothing like the rest of the world. So I am opposed to the stimulus package. 1. Because it won’t help, but will hinder and 2. Because it blows our savings which should be used to help out those who actually are hurt in this financial crisis. What I would support is better laws to prevent the rip offs in the future. Remember those Australian Capital Reserve ads? Little old lady getting her monthly cheque in the mail? It advertised a secure investment when the investment was anything but secure, and there should be massive penalties for that, and we knew it was false advertising before the event. This is the kind of space the government should be working in.

    I think both parties are equally to blame as regards negotiation. Both played a tactical game with politics rather than the good of the nation at heart. Neither Turnbull nor Rudd have covered themselves in glory over their handling of the situation, and the bushfire crisis has saved them both from being branded a couple of petulant children. Rudd, you don’t get to just bulldoze through a package of this size without talking to other parties BEFORE the thing gets released to the public. Turnbull, you can’t expect real negotiations to commence from a base position of “NO WAY”. They are both taking a massive electoral punt, and I find gambling $42 billion of taxpayers’ money obscene. And I think if the bill doesn’t get through, Rudd has won, and if it does, then Turnbull has won. Kind of odd, isn’t it? Fielding has lost and Xenophon has won. I think the Greens could find themselves in trouble.

  6. The constitutional trigger is a Senate failure to pass a Bill (or passing it with amendments unacceptable to the House) a second time, no earlier than three months after it’s first rejection of the Legislation.

    Green’s right.

    If the Bill gets tossed by the Senate again today, the Government’s still gonna have to present it again in three months’ time to get it’s trigger.

    I just can’t see Rudd twiddling his thumbs for 3 months while the economy heads south.

    Sure, he’d have a merry 3 months bashing the crap outa the Libs and their obstructionist cronies for “endangering the economy,” “putting people’s future at risk” etc etc, but there just ain’t the time for that sort of stuff in this environment. It might be what Malcolm and the Libs would do if the situation was reversed, but I can’t see Rudd doing it.

    So, much as I’d like to see a DD and the Libs getting creamed for their stupid atitude, it’s not gonna happen.

    Rudd knows he can’t afford to wait 3 months.

    He’s gonna have to cut some sort of deal with that Harradine clone from SA and his half-arsed water buy-back scheme.

    As if paying dosh to a bunch of irrigators is gonna make it rain.

  7. James,

    Very fair assessment, but why do you think the Greens could be in trouble?

  8. If the legislation does get passed Nick X will emerge with an enhanced image. Turnbull will be forced to ride in the back seat as the media scrum pursues Nick X hoping to get a sound bite for the 6pm news.

    Looks like democracy – or at least our quaint version of democracy – is working.

  9. “I personally do not think that Rudd will pull the trigger on a double-dissolution election as we need to have a politicians that are working for Australia and not working for their election.”

    Exactly my sentiments joni. Enuff political games & theatre. Govts need to get the fck doing something. If this is all a SHAM so the government can go DD on us then I condemn them.

    The way things are going there is so much cynicism out there in the public it’s quite possible an early election will see more non-mainstream parties benefitting at the expense of both the Libs & Labor. People are sick & tired of freakin’ elections & ALL TALK & NO ACTION politics. A few months from now I reckon the stress, frustration & fatigue in people will really start to show…& some might wonder why Labor is forcing a DD when Rudd & his team could’ve put more effort into the Senate aspect of the 07 election…& remember the Workchoices piece of sh*t that came out of one mainstream party dominating the Senate.

    …Labor needs to compromise w/ Nick Xenonphon a bit more…get the bloody package thru…& get on w/ the job I reckon.

    STOP WASTING OUR FCK’N TIME!

    And that goes for that pompous arse Turnbull too. And his useless team.

    N’

  10. James

    What evidence do you have re this:

    1. Because it won’t help, but will hinder

    All the evidence flowing out of the US regarding cash payments and the results from the December stimulus indicate that cash payments do work and are spent (or at least a significant % of it) by the people receiving it.

    2. Because it blows our savings which should be used to help out those who actually are hurt in this financial crisis.

    The entire idea here is to mimiomise the number of people hurt by a recession. Stimulus packages are designed to keep the economy moving so that jobs aren’t lost. The first place to suffer is the retail sector so providing cash stimulus to people and encouraging them to spend it prevents the retail sector from suffering too much. This in turn flows through the economy because people who have jobs have more to spend themselves.

    Sure people will become unemployed but the people who are calling for more money to the unemployed seem to me to be the same people who resisted moves to increase unemployment benefits in the past and promote things like work for the dole schemes and the like. While I am sure that it would be difficult to survive on unemployment benefits alone, the reality is that the best solution is not to pay them more but to create (through infrastructure expenditure) and stimulate job creation/ retention.

    It is easy for you to say that the stimulus package will be a failure and that the money should go to the unemployed but this overlooks the fact that we should be doing our damnest to minimise the number of people in this boat. For my mind, it is better to try and avoid a situation where unemployment is massive than to admit that it is inevitable and encourage the situation to occur by doing nothing.

  11. James

    … and one other thing – I have no idea why you thing the Greens will come out of this badly – they have been the only party to work constructively with the Government to help this package get through and have generally improved it in the process. Politically, they are really the only party to come out of this looking good. The party that is in trouble is the Nats because they have been AWOL on this and just followed the wants of the Liberal Party machine.

  12. Dave55 I couldn’t agree more w/ you regarding your comments on The Greens & The Nats…during this time of climate nightmare & economic malaise Bob Brown & the other members of The Greens have come across as rational & pragmatic compromisers & negotiators…wheras The Nats come across as “brown-nosers” to the Libs again.

    I’d hate to see a Nat/Lib government here in QLD w/ the current state of gutlessness & corporate subservience in both parties. At least Anna Bligh is getting tough on ethics & relationships w/ money mongrels.

    well said Evan

    N’

  13. We’ve had 10+ years of economic growth that was driven largely by ever-increasing private debt. The time was always going to come when people’s willingness or ability to take on even more debt ceased, causing the economy to come to a shuddering halt. That time has arrived. Indeed a people panic and try to pay of debt it’s going to go into reverse. It was all eminently predictable and predicted.

    The government is trying to find a way to maintain economic activity at unsustainable levels. To the extent that it succeeds, it will merely prolong the slowdown. Nevertheless it’s a captive to voter expectations and must be seen to be doing something, after 20 years of ego trippers Keating and Costello telling everyone that the economy was like a big machine that needed a skilled driver (them) to operate it.

    In truth, of course, the economy is a hugely complex dynamic system that governments can influence to some extent but can never control. Politicians have made an enormous rod for their own backs by pretending otherwise. Serves them right, but unfortunately the bulk of the population now waits passively for their masters in Canberra and Washington to prop up their standard of living instead of taking some personal responsibility in the matter.

    Australia … the land of ‘why doesn’t the government fix my problems for me?’

  14. Breaking News from Sky – a compromise has been reached with X, no details as yet.

  15. “Breaking News from Sky”

    Be nice if we could here government news announced on the freakin’ publicly funded media first.

    N’

  16. Dave55, just as no-one can really say why the package will work, I can’t really say why it won’t, not with hard figures anyway. There are two broad reasons, 1. as I said earlier, governments can facilitate, but can’t really engineer. There are as many commentators saying the Christmas package didn’t work as there are saying it did. I gave the example of the pink batts, where even if it was able to create jobs, the industry says it won’t be able to meet the demand regardless. 2. Even if it works to the extent projected, I am with those who say that there isn’t enough return on the investment. I think I read somewhere that even on the govt’s figures, $10 billion created $400 million. That’s a pretty ordinary return. Unless the government is going to own and manage the investments, like with major infrastructure, then it’s impossible to measure a return, and I doubt that the return justifies the investment.

    As for the greens, perhaps I’m being harsh, but really, bike paths? More jobs in local government? I guess on reflection that there are no Victorian Green senators and they may not be quite as on the nose in other states as Victoria right now, but I am just starting to wonder whether economic issues will overtake some of the feelgood social issues, like the environment and Climate Change, when people start to feel lighter of pocket.

  17. Ken Lovell, who has changed? You or I. I have this awful suspicion that we are becoming increasingly furiously in agreement!

  18. “I personally do not think that Rudd will pull the trigger on a double-dissolution election as we need to have a politicians that are working for Australia and not working for their election.”

    I don’t think he will in this instance. They’re not going to wait around for 3 months on this critical package. I don’t quite agree with your implication that Rudd prioritises working for Australia ahead of re-election. To be fair, I think he is concentrating on both, as would any political party.

    If this package gets passed today, with improved measures to help the Murray-Darling, then Senator Xenophon’s actions will have been a real success.

  19. “but I am just starting to wonder whether economic issues will overtake some of the feelgood social issues, like the environment and Climate Change, when people start to feel lighter of pocket.”

    FEELGOOD SOCIAL ISSUES?

    Hey kids…sorry ’bout the fact yer burning up…your homes are being flooded…you have no decent water to drink…cyclones flattened your schools & swept your pets away…your parents are seperated and searching for jobs whilst living out of vans…your grandmother is dying from blood poisoning because her teeth are rotting…and you have no prospect of getting to any rebuilt school safely because no bikeways exist in your part of “fossil fool” megalopolis…& don’t expect us Right-Wingers to feel your plight as this country spirals into the abyss…we just cheer on the leaders who support economic tight-arsedness, tax cuts for the HAVES, corporate welfare, the war on Unions & the people w/ swarthy skin…and WE ain’t havin’ none of that FEELGOOD SOCIAL ISSUE STUFF at our Christmas party…

    AMEN.

    N’

  20. Wow, Nasking, imagine coming up with THAT interpretation of what I wrote. You are straight out paranoid if that’s how you read it.

  21. LP has a story up on Julie Bishops reaction to the better than expected employment figures and how the pre-Christmas stimulus package did it’s job:

    The Coalition’s Julie Bishop said it showed the jobs market was strong enough not to need the “$42 billion spending spree” rejected by the Senate

    🙄

  22. My God, Fielding Fielding Fielding – what a complete loser he is

  23. The Only Ones,

    While I wholy agree with your comments about Fielding, don’t you mean Mr X?

  24. If the current package was planned on the wrong – worse – employment projections – note the description of the just-released figures as being “better than expected” – doesn’t Julie Bishop have a valid point?

  25. Does anyone else find it amusing that the Lib’s opposed the package because it was too much but Mr X opposed it because it wasn’t enough … Question is, do the Lib’s support Mr X’s initial rejection when his (and Fielding’s) ultimate position is contrary to their own?

  26. Tony

    Or it proves that the pre-Christmas package did exactly what it was intended to do.

  27. Dave55, No

    I was watching Fielding on the feed and he was hopelessly trying to regain some credibility, it was a dismal performance.

    I don’t agree with what Mr X did but that’s the way our system works and that’s what he’s elected to do. In the end the extra’s he got don’t bother me too much and since the package remains fairly intact so be it.

    Fielding on the other hand got nothing (except some stupid $200million community thing) and made a fool of himself along the way. Hopeless

  28. I’m not certain it’s as simple as that, Dave55. I think the Coalition, Fielding, and Xenophon all agree that the cash portion is excessive. Xenophon, to his credit, secured what was in his mandate, the Murray Darling, and wore the rest of which he didn’t agree. The Coalition will now be rubbing their hands with glee. It got passed, so now they aren’t accountable either way. I’m really not sure what Fielding achieved, despite supporting his right to make his vote count.

  29. “Mr Turnbull accused Mr Rudd of ramping up negative rhetoric about the economy so people would believe his package was crucial. ” (news.com).

    Has that man finally flipped his lid?

  30. Fielding in the Senate – “Senator Joyce may be a good accountant, may be a good account, but has no compassion, he forgot to count the unemployed”

    Piss off Noddy, what drivel

  31. “You are straight out paranoid if that’s how you read it.”

    You can label me all you want James, I’ve been reading & listening to the weasel words of Righties & “faux Libertarians” on blogs for years, pretending to be rational & compromisers, giving a little ground but then sticking the knife in via lexicon shifts & the use of BUT…when in fact all they’re interested in is keeping government out of their lives unless it’s their turn up to bat…or they’re looking for a handout to assist their business…fill their pockets…payoff their debts…help them deal w/ the latest margin call.

    Don’t expect this proud old Road to Surfdom commentor to fall for TRICKY DICK stuff. It ain’t happenin’.

    N’

  32. The Only One

    Oh okay – not watching the feed but I can only imagine 🙄

    And I’m not so sure that Mr X’s mandate is the MDB. He was pretty much elected to the SA Parliament on a no-pokies platform alone and rode off that to get elected to Feederal Parliament.

    I think it’s good that he does stand up for the MDB but I’m not convinced this was the package to do it. All in all though, the outcome is probably pretty reasonable. I just can’t see voluntary buybacks acheiving good value for money or freeing up enough water to make a difference. X can ask for more money to be made available but I was under the impression that the current money wasn’t being taken up in a significant way so I don’t know how an extra $500m will have any more success.

  33. The Only Ones,

    Sorry – the mandate comment above should have been directed to James, not you.

  34. Yeah, I’m with you Nasking.

    There’s no way I’d support businesses getting a whole lot of money out of the government. It’s particularly repulsive when the family of a politician do well out of the public purse.

    Even more so when millions are made out of the public purse by the family, and it is a consequence of a change in service delivery that the politician himself opposed.

  35. Both thumbs up!

    Stimulus package passes Senate

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/13/2490674.htm?section=justin

    N’

  36. I agree with you Dave that the MDB wasn’t really connected to this package, but in realpolitik terms it was a killer for Mr X. With this one deal he’s made himself a hero and belted the Greens in his own state. From now on, he is the man who saved the MDB” for a lot of SA voters.

    Fielding wanted to be the guy who saved the unemployed.

    That’s not what he’s going to be remembered for 😀

  37. Turnbull has his prayers answered. And Possum explains why.

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2009/02/13/turnbull-praying/

  38. Turnbull dealt himself out of the game by the Big No from word 1. How is Turnbull going to regain some relevance? The economy has always been seen as his strong suit, and so who now is going to be listening.

  39. Dave55, I can’t provide a link from before the election but I can say that Xenophon made a big deal out of it in his maiden speech to parliament and has been flogging it along with the pokies since.

    Nasking, methinks you spent too much time at Road to Surfdom and forgot that not everyone is about absolutes. I’m not certain what you stand for other than you seem to love yelling at anyone and everyone who doesn’t seem to your as yet undefined ideology. I suspect it’s something compatible with the extreme left and you might want to look historically at just how those nations have fared under extreme left governments, especially the ones that yell a lot. Good luck with that. Beyond that, nothing that I wrote had anything to do with with depriving children who had been affected by the bushfires, as your extreme reaction appears to imply.

  40. Turnbull is now “the man for no season”.

    Costello’s arse is already parked on the edge of the driver’s seat…& he’s cheerily pumping the horn:

    “This is my show now Malcolm!…so will you kindly get into the back of the vehicle before I’m forced to get Christopher to bite you…& HEY JOE!…enuff hot air already!…we’re running on bull manure again”.

    N’

  41. New Morgan poll – ALP 60/40

  42. “I suspect it’s something compatible with the extreme left”

    You tell me:

    http://www.roadtosurfdom.com/2008/09/17/historical-ignorance/

    I start commenting at #17…plenty of other informative stuff to read to.

    N’

  43. Good one OnlyO!

    Turnbull is ranting about burdening our children..throwing debt onto their tender little shoulders. (and yes, I stutter dotty too).

    Of course the Libs would never ever ever do such a thing. I am thinking of HECS debts which more than doubled under Howard and unaffordable housing.

  44. Great fun watching parliament ! Turnbull at least knows his business and can speak without constantly reading from notes. As a bonus he usually manages to get Krudd to turn around and show the big yellow strip running down his back. A big contrast to Krudd, who couldn’t order at McDonalds without a script in front of him.

  45. And Neo-Libs are good at ensuring personal debt goes thru the roof by ensuring their private business mates drive up the price of houses, petrol, childcare, health & education costs whilst services are trimmed w/ a shaver-like precision. Unless votes are to be bought.

    N’

  46. “before I’m forced to get Christopher to bite you”…. ROFLMFAO

  47. Nasking I tried, really I did, but I got dizzy after about 30mins. You seem to make a lot of accusations based on loosely linked suppositions and I could vaguely hear Tchaikovsy playing in the back of my head. It’s consistent with the slanderous supposition you linked to my earlier comment about “feel good policies”.

  48. Davo

    I’ve got to say I share a common trait with Malcolm. I never need a script when I’m throwing ‘red herring’ Lol

  49. I listened to the speeches of both Rudd and Turnbull.

    My reaction was that they both sounded exactly like politicians.

  50. Davo

    I notice Malcolm didn’t have a script when he uttered this humdinger ” Those people who say, oh this was caused by an excess of capitalistic free-market activity are quite wrong,”

  51. Senator Nick X has made some of the ALP senators look decidedly impuissant and inutile.

  52. “Great fun watching parliament !” (Davo).

    I must say old sausage that you’re giving us a few laughs too.

    Everybody, all round, is having a fun day.

  53. Stephen says “impuissant and inutile” and I reach for my dictionary..shit, can’t find it. Again in plain English Stephen.

  54. My Macquarie dictionary does not have those words either John. Me thinks Stephan is showing off.

  55. Miglo

    Do these words actually exist or is he pulling a Jedi-Mind – F#@k experiment on us? Lol

  56. Legion will know what it means:)

  57. “Legion will know what it means” (James).

    Just what we don’t need, John. Somebody else to talk in riddles.

  58. impuissant = powerless
    inutile = pointless

  59. Just for you John….(sorry if you had to expend too much energy reaching for the dictionary):

    impuissant: lack of power, weak…impuissance
    inutile: of no use or service, not useful…inutility; inutiley

  60. Stephan, if you were trying to impress . . . I have bad news.

  61. Miglo, don’t bovver yrsellf. I don’t fink peeple who use enlish are two brite. Is that betta?

  62. Stephen

    Given those definitions, please elaborate on how X has made the ALP senators look so when comparred to …say… Lib and Nat members.

  63. Stephan @ 2:31.

    It might have been better to keep your mouth shut.

  64. Stephan, I just remembered who your footy team is.

    You’re a smart bloke. Anybody who doesn’t know what impuissant and inutile mean are clearly idiots.

  65. Nasking
    Agree totally, maintain the RTS rage!

    Social issues are not ‘feel goods’ like in some kind of romantic comedy. It’s real people’s lives and we should be addressing social inequalities so that feeling good is not just a dream for the poor while just another commodity to be bought and sold by the wealthy elite.

    Let the market rip! (rest in peace).

  66. YEAH!!!!! That’s right, Nasking!!!!! Rage, hate, abuse, VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!!!!! ‘Cos that will solve ALL the problems in this country!!!!

  67. You’re a smart bloke. Anybody who doesn’t know what impuissant and inutile mean are clearly idiots.

    tom knew, yet he is an idiot, must be his paradoxicalness.

  68. Dave55, the Lib-NP senators are sure to enjoy the free ride that Nick X has given them. The Lib-NP senators were against the rescue package for different reasons. Think about the ALP senators whose electorates touch the M-D Rivers. It has taken a lone non-aligned senator to press Mr Rudd for concessions in order to win his support for this package. Why didn’t the ALP senators, whose constituents rely so much on the M-D, faithfully represent them by pressing their boss for some concessions. It would appear that Mr Rudd allowed for some wriggle room in his package. It was left to Nick X to do the negotiating and in so doing the ALP senators will also get a free ride. Nick X has done their job for them.

    The ALP senators have been bathing in the Lethe River (a river in Hades which brought on a feeling of forgetfullness or unconsciousness).

  69. Oh dear, Stephen, I think you mean Representatives? You are right though, this is at least as big an issue for Australia as the GFC and it shouldn’t have taken an independant Senator to have to get something done at knifepoint.

  70. Interview with X has Nick congratulating both himself and The Greens for obtaining extra for the environment (sorry, no link as yet as it was via Sky). I don’t think that the Libs are going to get much joy from anything that Nick has to say. A learning experience for the government; do not take X for granted.

  71. “must be his paradoxicalness.”

    Love it Kitty.

    He probably practices paradoxicity in his spare time.

  72. Well said kittylitter, as usual…& I will “maintain”…occasionally, when the mood hits & the issue warrants it.

    At least the government can get on w/ working in the national interest. Schools will benefit…& consequently those curious pupils w/ so much potential.

    Workers will find themselves building & smiling, doing GOOD WORKS…and helping to bring the financially disadvantaged out of the heat &/or cold as they construct affordable housing.

    Small businesses related to construction, landscaping, plumbing, installing bats and so on will find some security in the process…

    and hopefully those who receive the stimulus bill will partially pay down debt but also head to their local fruit & vege shop, music shop, 2nd hand book shop, 2nd hand furniture shop, small retail outlets, nursery, hairdressers doing it tough, unique &/or family run restaurants and purchase a bit in order to support their local small business…& the distributors, suppliers & farmers who also benefit from that purchase.

    N’

  73. Kittylitter & Miglo – “tom knew, yet he is an idiot, must be his paradoxicalness.”

    I know what those word mean because I hear them (directed to me) quite often. Many people take them as synonyms for “idiot”. Both of you also probably use terms such as “paradoxicalness” as the same synonym.

  74. Stephen,

    You’re kidding yourself if you think that the Labor senators in NSW and Vic got voted in by people in the MDB – that’s where the Nat senators from those states come from.

    Besides, it’s not like X got new money, rather it’s just already allocated money brought forward. On the ground, I doubt people will recognise the difference. Unless it actually rains in the catchment the MDB will still be stuffed, with or without X’s smoke and mirrors ‘deal’. Besides, Labor supported it and the Nats didn’t – Can’t see the die hard Nat supporters in the basin changing their votes based on this though!!

  75. Stephan

    Why didn’t you just say ‘impotent’ or is that too close to home?

  76. Ah, Nask my friend, that link (RTS) gave back good memories, may have to dig up a bit of music for James,eh!..Hope ya hanging in and all’s well. Lang.

  77. Hey LM! How goes it? Hope you & the missus are both well.

    Yea, they were kick-arse days on RTS…really miss it sometimes. But plenty of good folks on here too.

    What about that stimulus passing eh? Ruddy & team come thru big time. As do the minor party senators…apart from the predictably cop out Nats these days.

    Check out the 1st song I posted on Finally Frolyk Friskily…might be up yer alley…I’m sure Phil & Tim woulda dug it.

    Ken’s been on here too.
    N’

  78. Jon, the reason I didn’t use impotent is because like you I have trouble with my spelling.

    From STEPHAN.

  79. “From STEPHAN.”

    If you’re going to try being ‘clever’ about someone spelling your name wrong, then you might at least direct it to the correct person.

  80. I used ‘jon’ to underline my point.

  81. “I used ‘jon’ to underline my point.”

    But it wasn’t John that spelt your name wrong.

  82. John McPhilbin
    “I’ve got to say I share a common trait with Malcolm. I never need a script when I’m throwing ‘red herring’ Lol”

    Well I’ve got two things in common with old Mal that I bet you don’t – we both WORK and we’ll both be helping to pay off Dudd’s debts for many years to come (as well as supporting you so you can sit on the internet all day). While you’re at it try this site !

    http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/individuals/work_index.htm

  83. John McPhilbin
    “I’ve got to say I share a common trait with Malcolm. I never need a script when I’m throwing ‘red herring’ Lol”

    Well I’ve got two things in common with old Mal that I bet you don’t – we both WORK and we’ll both be helping to pay off Dudd’s debts for many years to come (as well as supporting you so you can sit on the internet all day). While you’re at it try this site !”
    Nask, that is the sort of thing that makes me luke warm about here, the playing the man and personal attacks. Kiddy stuff and lacking in substance..
    Miss Lovells,ahem, Lovells Friday music was a great source of mirth with unlimited comebacks.. Lang.

  84. Apologies Stephan, for spelling your name wrong.

  85. Davo and Lang Mack

    I appreciate your kind words. I try hard to be a good role model. Thanks.

  86. Stephan, on February 13th, 2009 at 4:46 pm Said:

    Jon, the reason I didn’t use impotent is because like you I have trouble with my spelling.

    From STEPHAN.

    Nasty stuff Stephanie

  87. davo, on February 13th, 2009 at 6:00 pm Said:

    Davo how much do ya reckon I ‘ll get from this handout with 10 kids and another on the way?

  88. “that is the sort of thing that makes me luke warm about here, the playing the man and personal attacks. Kiddy stuff and lacking in substance..”

    yea, but John & the rest of us are hard-shelled enuff to cop it.

    I’ve been pretty restrained the past few months…’ceptin’ the last two days or so. You know how i have my moments…the frustration builds & the LIGHT bursts out….

    “Lovells Friday music was a great source of mirth with unlimited comebacks”

    ain’t that the truth. You must send me your addy LM. Mine is nasking@optusnet.com.au

    I chatted to Phill at New Years on the phone…it was great catching up. As truthtelling & bawdy humour as ever…:)

    N’

  89. Stephanie, I wish I were impotent really. The wind blows and I get and erection. Give me impuissant and inutile any day.

  90. John McPhilbin, I should have headed my post;
    Davo said.:
    “I’ve got to say I share a common trait with Malcolm. I never need a script when I’m throwing ‘red herring’ Lol”Well I’ve got two things in common with old Mal that I bet you don’t – we both WORK” and etc.
    Then my reply to Nask.. Regards Lang..

  91. “yea, but John & the rest of us are hard-shelled enuff to cop it. ”

    Lang Mack

    Nasking’s spot on, I certainly don’t take things personally.

    Most of the wise cracks here come with a (wink) or (lol) but every now and again you’ll get someone hellbent on trying to be nasty.

  92. Lang Mack, on February 13th, 2009 at 6:41 pm Said:

    John McPhilbin, I should have headed my post;
    Davo said.:
    “I’ve got to say I share a common trait with Malcolm. I never need a script when I’m throwing ‘red herring’ Lol”Well I’ve got two things in common with old Mal that I bet you don’t – we both WORK” and etc.
    Then my reply to Nask.. Regards Lang..

    Don’t worry Lang, I worked it out finally. No offense taken whatsoever. There are a lot of very good natured people who come here so please don’t allow occasional skirmishes turn you off.

    Cheers

    John Mc

  93. Ya know John, I used to visit Blogocracy every now & then and was quite impressed w/ your understanding of the economic downturn…a few RTS commentors like myself & Lang Mack, Herindoors, Phill, Aussie Bob, Ken and others were trying to warn the public as well…amazing how the extent of the crash seemed to take so much of the corporate media by surprise considering how many of us were out there going ALERT!

    I can vividly remember joni, you, Reb, kittylitter, Angel, on Blogocracy…& of course Aussie Shiela, AB, Ken, Orang, Pollytickedoff & a few others from RTS and other blogs I knew were regular contributors after awhile. You guys did a great job there…& now here.

    Tim D. sure created some great communities.

    got me feelin’ all nostalgic today. And a victory to celebrate….:)

    N’

  94. “I can vividly remember”
    And Human Dividend & TB w/ his prosperity banner…

  95. John Mac, I have the distinct feeling that you may have annoyed somebody on this site today.

    Don’t you just love it when you irk a RWDB?

  96. No prob Dave55.

  97. What’s a prob?

  98. Aliens use them for cavity searches miglo.

    Nas’…to avoid confusion I should let you know that I am of The Buffalo Lodge; not sure if you knew that or not.
    Toiletboss has a much more refined quality to it, it commands respect & I’m taken so much more seriously now. LOL.

  99. Thanks Tboss. Since Stephan’s input today this site has become such a grammatically correct paradise. And all these new words!

    Reminds me of Sesame Street: today’s show is brought to you by the letter K and the number 6.

    Today’s blog is brought to you by the words impuissant, inutile and prob.

  100. “Tim D. sure created some great communities.”

    Ha ha more like sheltered workshops for suicidal gay lefty schoolteachers !

  101. Hey Davo. You’re just acting like a troll. Why not see if you can beat these “gay lefty schoolteachers” with facts and logic. It’s a lot more satisfying that way. (And you don’t start out looking like a dick.)

  102. Ha ha more like sheltered workshops for suicidal gay lefty schoolteachers !

    Davo’s happy to be home.

  103. Hmmm, I’m not suicidal, gay or a schoolteacher.
    I think you’ve missed your workshop davo.

    Sheltered from what exactly?

  104. I think Davo’s a fckn kook.

    What’s w/ The Buffalo Lodge Toiletboss? Explain.

    N’

  105. Davo – Prince of Crapperville

  106. James of North Melbourne

    Is the message in the sender or the receiver? 😉

    Perhaps it goes to the derivation of power, and is possibly a double-play on meaning…posse. Being deputised as part of a posse does not sheriffs of the rabble make; the power is conferred and regulated from top down by the sheriff. In the pseudo-solidarity of the Party, keeping your friends close, and your frenemies closer, and mute, and on set-task is the order of the day.

    The gang of four set the whitehat stimulus package agenda, this we have been told in relation to the sixty-hour scoping; and, ultimately, just one sheriff runs the town, as we know from that one’s declaring he could appoint his inner-posse-hierarchy independent of the Party machinery of caucus early on in his ascendancy.

    That contrasts with a two-thirds vote for the opposing posse’s response to the announced agenda, and their blackhat spokesperson to sell it.

    Leaving the Mr X’s possessing the idée(s) manque and all the residual power a bounty hunter and sometime horse-trader can muster.

  107. Miglo, on February 13th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    Just for future ref., in case you’re wondering where Legion and his interp. of the Delphic method went, he’s resorted to lurking henceforth in observance of part 4 of someone else’s anti-fascist manifesto

    Seek information, avoid arguments.

    The only person responsible for getting you trustworthy information is you. This involves a great deal of work. Am I seriously advocating that you spend hours a day just sitting around learning stuff? Absolutely yes, I am. The wonderful Jennifer Bowen introduced me to the phrase “good company is kept discussing good ideas—not people.”

    The internet is insanely effective for rapidly accessing high volumes of high quality information. It’s also a great way to spend four hours checking your email, watching porn, or getting into pointless arguments with total strangers. We all have egos, we all get pissed off occasionally, but don’t do that online: get up immediately and use that anger to lift some free weights.

    And in furtherance of said, some mind candy for John, and a quote from another Minsky, Marvin this time…

    What magical trick makes us intelligent? The trick is that there is no trick. The power of intelligence stems from our vast diversity, not from any single, perfect principle. – Marvin Minsky, The Society of Mind

    That idea cuts both ways. It’s why I was here, not to be framed on a Raelian thread, or this one.

  108. Mate sent me an email regarding this subject and id like to share it.

    Stimulus Info…

    “This year, taxpayers will receive an Economic Stimulus Payment. This is a very
    exciting new program that I will explain using the Q and A format:

    Q. What is an Economic Stimulus Payment?
    A. It is money that the federal government will send to taxpayers.

    Q. Where will the government get this money?
    A. From taxpayers.

    Q. So the government is giving me back my own money?
    A. Only a smidgen.

    Q. What is the purpose of this payment?
    A. The plan is that you will use the money to purchase a high-definition TV set, thus
    stimulating the economy.

    Q. But isn’t that stimulating the economy of China?
    A. Shut up.

    Below is some helpful advice on how to best help the Australian economy by spending your
    stimulus check wisely:

    If you spend that money at Target, all the money will go to China .
    If you spend it on Petrol it will go to the Arabs.
    If you purchase a computer it will go to India .
    If you buy a car it will go to Japan .
    If you purchase useless crap it will go to Taiwan ..

    And none of it will help the Australian economy.

    We need to keep that money here in Australia . You can keep the money here by spending it
    at yard sales, going to a footy game, or spend it on prostitutes, beer and wine (domestic
    ONLY), or tattoos, since those are the only businesses still in this country.

  109. Aquanut

    “We need to keep that money here in Australia . You can keep the money here by spending it at yard sales, going to a footy game, or spend it on prostitutes, beer and wine (domestic
    ONLY), or tattoos, since those are the only businesses still in this country.”

    Now this will make for stimulating discussion (lol)

  110. It seems the Liberals are all eyeing Julie’s position:

    “JULIE BISHOP’S colleagues are about to pressure her to either step down voluntarily as shadow treasurer and take another senior role or face removal as the Liberal Party’s deputy leader.”

  111. joni on February 14th, 2009 at 10:15 am Said:

    Dead (wo)man walking.

    Pity there isn’t a Q time this week – this speculation about crazy eyes would have made for some good taunts me thinks.

  112. joni..but why oh why as per the headline are the Libs so unhappy?? Surely not, just when they’ve got their points across about doing nothing re a rescue plan to hopefully avoid a recession.

    Oh no, don’t tell they’re going to drag out old jocular Joe. Or maybe Chris Pyne 😕

  113. Well there you go and there you have it. Take your pick. From Joni’s link via SMH it was: Mr Turnbull initially defended her, but that has waned in recent weeks, as Ms Bishop has made several errors.

    However if one is looking for something a wee bit different (and after all variety is the spice of life), then one can go no further than news.com who state at: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25053819-29277,00.html OPPOSITION Leader Malcolm Turnbull says he has complete confidence in his deputy and treasury spokeswoman Julie Bishop, declaring she’s doing a great job.

  114. But remember min, to stab someone in the back you need to be 100% behind them.

  115. Joni the quote that I liked from your link is:

    “She’s only got one supporter left and that’s Wilson Tuckey,” said an MP who was intimate with the discussions.

    Says it all… (dot, dot, dot).

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