Backflip with pike from Turnbull

Crikey is reporting that the opposition has just backflipped on their complete and utter opposition to the governments stimulus package.

However, Turnbull’s position today leaves the Coalition open to supporting the majority of the package — the $28b infrastructure component providing funding for school and housing projects. It comes a day after Newspoll revealed a slump in support for both the Coalition and Turnbull.

Is this the end for Turnbull?

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72 Responses

  1. Aren’t the RWDBs across the blogosphere livid on this backflip. Their comments are just starting to come out and get a head of steam, building up momentum to a full on tirade.

    After spending two weeks vigorously and ardently defending Turnbull’s and the opposition’s stance, especially that on lumbering generations of children with an overbearing debt, it turns out the opposition have no problems with the debt at all, but just want to create it in a different way.

  2. I think the reason the oppostion backflipped is simple.

    Although many may disagree with the way the funds are being handed out, the majority of the population see a government acting in a crisis, rather than waiting god knows how long for evaluation papers to come back on decisions about what to do.

    The majority of the population also see money being handed to low income earners and nothing going to the rich, thats a vote winnder in itself in the current economic climate.

    To avoid total irrelevance the opposition need to be seen to be doing something or the only voters they will have left are the CEOs who are less popular than turd on a shoe, and the right wing extremists who would never vote any other way.

  3. Crickey (Bernard Keane) maybe wrong. Turnbull’s Office has clarified:

    “There has been no change in position. The Coalition will oppose this package in the House of Representatives and the Senate.

    If Mr Rudd fails to get the $42 billion package through the Senate he should sit down with the Opposition and negotiate a new package, which we believe should be between $15-20 billion.”

    Interesting times.

  4. While I have suggested some alternative mechanisms for spending $8bn or so to provide jobs, I think it would be a very poor outcome if the government had to negotiate an alternative package with the opposition.

    That is about the worst outcome in the current circumstances. Blame, followed by more blame would be the only result. Finger pointing about who is responsible for the inevitable recession is not something we need.

  5. “The majority of the population also see money being handed to low income earners and nothing going to the rich, thats a vote winnder in itself in the current economic climate.”

    I agree.

    Unlike this:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/business/economy/10bailout.html?_r=2&hp

    Once again Timothy F. Geithner has ENABLED incompetent & sometimes corrupt bankers. THE GREATEST CON ON EARTH since WW2 continues…now thnx to the Obama administration. I’m beginning to wonder if Obama’s media chat was more than just about selling the stimulus bill & creating a new press corp environment, but also a DIVERSIONARY TACTIC…to keep the FOCUS away from the next outrageous handout to the financial mobsters.

    N’

  6. “I think it would be a very poor outcome if the government had to negotiate an alternative package with the opposition”Tommy

    Yep, I remember just how keen the ‘tards were to negotiate with the opposition during their reign of terror.

    Nas’, you are a champ!

  7. I fear you are right about that TomM

    Fieding alone is enough to de-rail everything.

    Treasury modelling favours $4b job plan: Fielding

    Kind of a misleading title, as the modelling shows that the plan would create 33,000 jobs, down from his initial claim of 100,000.

    Lets just hope that something happens soon.

  8. “Yep, I remember just how keen the ‘tards were to negotiate with the opposition during their reign of terror.”

    Toiletboss, good point…& I sometimes wonder if the ‘Opposition’ these days really represent their constituents?

    It seems to me that they represent a psychological state that one might refer to a leftover of MASS HYSTERIA. The past few years has seen a group of sociopaths in government across the world assisted by a morally bankrupt, profit-driven or GAGGED media feeding the worst fears of many Humans…and constantly turning up the guilt factor…and in turn prompting the anxious & confused masses to abandon caution, buy, buy, buy & invest to appease the guilt & fear factors…and find security in lifestyles that put the very future of their children at risk.

    Why the heck would anyone want to negotiate w/ a group of people who are in desperate need of therapy? A group who might’ve started out governing fairly rationally but once they met the Busheviks & were persuaded to let their inner-demons out &/or were conned, their governing style & decision-making became less and less rational.

    Workchoices & the Iraq War invasion are two examples.

    Bloody sad really.
    N’

  9. Tom of Melbourne, on February 10th, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    Astute Tom and something I was going to make lengthy comment on with a couple of links.

    Howard was a master at this and it’s how he bought down the Democrats, and make no mistake he did bring down the Democrats.

    Before he got both houses (something he probably regrets now) he would work hard at negotiating with the minors and/or the Labor opposition, playing them off against each other and only caving into tit bits. Yet when things went awry down the track, as they often did with Howard’s poorly framed and constructed policies, he would immediately say “Labor supported it.” or “Labor forced changes that ruined it” and so on. It worked extremely well until Rudd came along and kept stymieing that tactic, always calling Howard’s hand.

    Turnbull has walked strait into this tactic and Rudd didn’t even have to work at doing it, Turnbull did it all for him.

    Thing is most clever Blogocrats picked it the moment Turnbull opened his mouth to oppose the package a couple of weeks ago. I think if you go back to the posts you will see it. They (and some other clever dicks around the blogosphere) immediately said Turnbull has stuffed it and committed seppuku, will backflip in a few weeks and then leave himself open for blame when things get worse.

    Turnbull should have either carefully thought out his opposition and waited a little before opposing it, and then opposed it with better thought through targets or stuck to his tax cuts and frugal package to the death harping on the sensible economic management line.

    Now he is neither frugal nor targeted and has even alienated his Party’s core supporters as he has made them look like fools in their avid and uncompromising support of the frugal package with tax cuts. They also now have nowhere to go and will not be happy about that.

  10. “alienated his Party’s core supporters as he has made them look like fools in their avid and uncompromising support of the frugal package with tax cuts”Adrian

    Watching the wingnuts eat their young on various blogsites is a rare voyeuristic treat.

  11. This just in:

    MALCOLM TURNBULL: Well Kerry, the only thing that would prevent there being any economic stimulus would be if Mr Rudd is unable, or continues to be unable, to sit down and talk with us and work out something that we can agree on.

    We’ve said we support an economic stimulus. We think $42 billion is too much at this point in time. We don’t believe another cash splash is going to be an effective use of taxpayers’ funds and we’ve proposed that the tax cuts from, scheduled already for July 2010 and July 1, 2009 be brought forward.

    No, wait. That was from Wednesday, 4th February. One week ago. What’s changed?

  12. I have to admit reading the squeals of choler and frustration grow from those who up until yesterday fully defended through hell and brimstone Turnbull’s original frugality and tax cuts position is giving me a little twisted pleasure. I know it shouldn’t and it ‘s naughty, but the corners of my mouth twitch upwards on every angry yammer I read.

  13. ToSY the frugality has changed as has bringing forward the tax cuts. Basically apart from changing some targets (as the Greens, Family First and Xenophon are doing) Turnbull has thrown away much of the frugality and abandoned the idea of bringing forward the tax cuts.

  14. ” Clever blogocrats……” Good grief.

    1. I am no particular fan of Turnbull.
    2. He has said all along he is willing to negotiate the stimulus package but Rudd refuses to talk. I think Gillard said “if you vote no there’s nothing to talk about” or words like it.
    3. Turnbull is absolutely right, except perhaps on the tax cuts.

    All that’s changed is a breathlessly hopeful article from Crikey, so I guess nothing’s changed.

  15. Yes naughty, slap yourself for your schadenfreude. I’ll be quietly savouring mine.

    Tony, I’m not sure that I detect much of a change either. That said, the wingnuts (not yourself, who I consider to be a true conservative) are sure creaming their jeans all over the place.

  16. Adrian: ToSY the frugality has changed

    The frugality…LOL. What the f**k are you talking about?

  17. I want to make a point that may be inappropriate at this time but I must as I’m listening to the GG make a plea and compassionate speech on TV.

    Do you believe the GG would be making this speech if Howard were in power or as he nearly always did, would he sideline the GG, and make that plea and compassionate TV speech himself?

    It has been very noticeable to me how much more of a leading role the GG has been playing since Rudd has gotten into power and how readily Rudd is to step to the side or into the background to allow others to the forefront.

    This is such a wonderful change for me I had to comment on it whether I get criticised for it or not.

  18. Malcolm got largely bitchslapped by Newspoll, but, as he himself said, we all knew that that was gonna happen.

  19. “It has been very noticeable to me how much more of a leading role the GG has been playing “Adrian

    The new GG is another of Bolt’s favourite love to hate “progressive” public figures. They’re only ever meant to be stiff, pompous ex-military types apparently.

  20. Oh my friggin’ god ToSY what are you on about or have been sleep walking for the last two weeks.

    And no James, Turnbull did not say he would negotiate, he demanded that Rudd sit down with the opposition as they had expertise and were better economic managers. Turnbull came at “negotiating’ from a position of arrogance basically saying there would be no compromise in their position, to which Rudd replied then there would be no negotiating. As Gillard said “When you say you are going to vote against something, what is left to talk about?”

  21. Link to that please Adrian, or is that another fabrication? They’ve been coming thick and fast from you lately.

  22. As with you James, so very politely fuck you.

    Or did you just close your ears whenever Turnbull said he would vote against it.

    The Rudd Government’s timetable for its $42 billion economic stimulus package is in severe doubt after the Opposition vowed to oppose it in both houses of parliament.

    Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull said the coalition’s decision to oppose the measure would not be popular, but was right.</blockquote>
    Actually find the shit yourself, there were so many references to Turnbull’s opposition and no compromise position you can get them yourself.

  23. James of North Melbourne, on February 10th, 2009 at 6:59 pm Said:

    ” Clever blogocrats……” Good grief.

    So you have called the Blogocrats dumb fucks.

  24. Toiletboss, said: “The new GG is another of Bolt’s favourite love to hate “progressive” public figures. ”

    Bolt’s a real attention seeker…wonder if he was the kinda kid who always had his hand up in class yelling “Miss, Miss…Sir, Sir I have to correct you on that”. Or perhaps he was the painfully shy type & only imagined doing so…& now he treats his audience like that. Lucky them.

    Don’t know why he needs to work so hard at it, apparently the ABC has no probs giving him a free ride on ‘Insiders’.

    NEW VOICES I say, no more INSIDERS.

    N’

  25. “Don’t know why he needs to work so hard at it, apparently the ABC has no probs giving him a free ride on ‘Insiders’.
    nasking, on February 10th, 2009 at 8:33 pm Said:”

    Yes, lets not have any conservatives on the ABC. Just highly intelligent people like yourself.

    Lets not have any ideas from people who cause you “problems”

    How shocking!!! The ABC has given someone a “free ride” that does not agree with the leftoid bias of the ABC.

  26. Language please, gentlemen.

    Spoils the content…

  27. why is that when i do a backflip i end up in the same position i started.
    what kind of backflip is this?

  28. Also three cheers for Andrew Bolt.

  29. “Yes, lets not have any conservatives on the ABC. ”

    I have no problem w/ Conservative views being expressed on the ABC…but let’s hear more from those not already receiving mega-bucks from the corporate media. The whole concept of “Insiders” makes me sick to be honest. Surely we’ve reached a point where the public realise they have been fed a diet of info-tainment & backdoor advertising for years now and have been let down by many of these puppet, privileged commentators and should expect to hear NEW VOICES?

    More Independent voices.

    N’

  30. “I have no problem w/ Conservative views being expressed on the ABC
    nasking, on February 10th, 2009 at 9:28 pm Said:”

    Thank you for this great concession. Nasking says we are allowed to speak on the taxpayer funded govt television station

    “but let’s hear more from those not already receiving mega-bucks from the corporate media.”

    You mean people like Phillip Adams???

    I agree- lets hear more from people like the Cairns taxi driver.

    And much less from elitist leftoids who like to run the lives of other people.

  31. Neil of Sydney:

    “And much less from elitist leftoids ”

    Check out the membership of the current ABC Board.

    http://www.abc.net.au/corp/board/board_members.htm

    Can you identify a current ‘leftoid’?

    Really, your comments are childish.

  32. Dunno why you lot are so keen on Dudd’s package anyway – there’s nothing in it for welfare recipients is there?

  33. Yuk-yuk, nice one davo.

  34. N5 – I’ve noticed that you often confuse facts with perception. Please deal with the perceptions.

  35. “Check out the membership of the current ABC Board.
    Nature 5, on February 10th, 2009 at 10:07 pm Said:”

    Are you trying to tell me that the ABC is a right wing organisation???

  36. Tom of Melbourne,

    It’s been said again and again since the 1940s:

    Don’t let the facts (truth) get in the way of a good story.

    Clearly the ABC is ‘left’. The evidence abounds. Indeed I am reliably informed that all Members of the Board down to the most junior staff members drive on the left-hand side of the road. They can’t help themselves apparently.
    .

  37. “Clearly the ABC is ‘left’.
    Nature 5, on February 10th, 2009 at 11:01 pm Said:”

    Well i think this is true. Two high profile presenters (Maxine McKew and Mike bailley) left the ABC and ran for the ALP. So what if some of the board are conservatives. Most of the ABC is left

  38. Neil of Sydney,

    “Are you trying to tell me that the ABC is a right wing organisation???”

    Neil, you are the one making the accusations. You are the one who has some simplistic notions of the left/right divide.

    But back to the question (which you seem keen to avoid) – Who of the Board Members is a current ‘leftoid’ (to use your definition)? Perhaps Janet? Maybe Keith? The choice is yours.

    BTW, I think that this punctuation stutter is catching. Lol.

  39. “But back to the question (which you seem keen to avoid) – Who of the Board Members is a current ‘leftoid’
    Nature 5, on February 10th, 2009 at 11:11 pm Said:”

    You brought up the ABC board not me. Please show me where I mentioned the ABC board?? You brought this up as a side issue. If what you are insinuating is correct, all it shows is that the ABC board does not influence very much ABC content. Janet and Keith are conservatives. The other 3- i have no idea.

    I was actually commenting on Naskings suggestion that he has no problems with conservatives commenting on the ABC and then you bring up a tangent about the ABC board.

  40. Neil of Sydney

    “Well i think this is true.”

    Clearly you do. That is not in dispute. You then say;

    “Two high profile presenters (Maxine McKew and Mike bailley) left the ABC and ran for the ALP”

    Also true.

    And I suspect that some employees of the ABC are cross-dressers, drink and drive, vote Green and whatever. Take you pick.

    Neil, let’s face it, LOGIC is not your strong point. But then again, I’m not sure you have one.

  41. “Neil, let’s face it, LOGIC is not your strong point. But then again, I’m not sure you have one.
    Nature 5, on February 10th, 2009 at 11:27 pm Said:”

    Listen mate i was commenting on this comment by nasking “I have no problem w/ Conservative views being expressed on the ABC”

    You then had to butt in and bring up the ABC board.

  42. A significant number of ABC staff have had Coalition connections. For example:

    Gary Hardgrave, a former minister in the Howard government, is a former journalist with the Brisbane bureau of the ABC’s 7.30 Report.

    Peter Collins, Leader of the Liberal Party in NSW for several years, was also a former ABC TV journalist.

    Peter McArthur, a former current affairs reporter and TV newsreader for the ABC served several years in the Victorian parliament as a Liberal member.

    Bruce Webster was a sports broadcaster for the ABC and later the Liberal member for Pittwater in the NSW parliament.

    Jim Bonner, after leaving the staff of Malcolm Fraser, held senior editorial positions with ABC radio and television in Canberra and Adelaide. He later resumed his connection with the Liberal Party when he assumed the position of Director of the Liberal Party in South Australia.

    Pru Goward, a Canberra based high profile ABC journalist reported on federal politics for a number of years. She recently won Liberal Party pre-selection for a seat in NSW.

    Cathy Job, a current affairs presenter for ABC radio in Brisbane became a media adviser to David Kemp after resigning from the ABC.

    Vicki Thompson, a senior political reporter for ABC radio in Adelaide became Chief of Staff for John Olsen, Liberal Premier of South Australia.

    Ian Cover, a member of the ABC’s Coodabeen Champions crew, served as a Liberal member of the Victorian Parliament between 1996 and 2002. (Note: the Coodabeens focus was on sport rather than politics).

    Rob Messenger was ABC radio broadcaster in Bundaberg. He is now the National Party member for Burnett in the Queensland parliament.

    Grant Woodhams, National Party member for Greenough in WA worked with ABC radio in Tasmania, South Australia, NSW and Victoria.

    Ken Cooke, State Director of the National Party for 13 years, and a close associate of Premier Joh Bjelke-Petersen, was an ABC journalist before taking up his position with the National Party.

    Chris Nicholls, an Adelaide ABC journalist, broke a story revealing that Barbare Wiese, a minister in the Bannon Labor government in South Australia, was involved in a conflict of interest. He was accused of improperly obtaining details of Weise’s financial affairs, but was acquitted. Nicholls, and his story, were defended by the ABC’s News Editor, and the ABC State Manager. Some time later he left the ABC to work for Liberal Senator, Grant Chapman.

    Eoin Cameron,the former Liberal member for the federal seat of Stirling, presents the breakfast program on ABC local radio in Perth. He is a popular and respected broadcaster.

    Cameron Thompson worked for the ABC in Longreach and Darwin before winning the seat of Blair for the Liberal Party.

    The current State Director of the ABC in Queensland, Chris Wordsworth, is a former press officer for one time Liberal Defence Minister John Moore. (Feb. 2007)

  43. Apologies for the lengthy cut & paste, it seems there are quite a few of them!

  44. kittylitter, on February 11th, 2009 at 2:39 am Said:

    Apologies for the lengthy cut & paste, it seems there are quite a few of them!”

    Lol welcome to the ‘cut and paste’ club Kitty

  45. Neil

    You and the extremists never cease to amaze me. All television stations criticise both sides of politics. You and your lot are defeaningly silent when any of it comes form a privately owned station as they are a capitalist organisation and therefore to be revered.

    Yet a publicly funded organisation like the ABC which is the ONLY station to broadcast to all australians and not just in profit making aeas, is to be roundly criticised any time it has criticised the right , yet yousrelf, Piers and Bolt are absolutely deafeningly silent when they report criticism of the left. Your hypocrisy amazes me.

    Amazing a lefty loony public broadcasting authority supossedly brainwashing our population with leftoid propaganda allows Akerman and Bolt to appear and put their pojnts of view forward. Your accusations are shot down in flames with that one action.

  46. http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2003/s925711.htm

    Lindsay Tanner, Lateline, ABC-TV, 15 August 2003

    “John Howard’s described the ABC as our enemy talking to our friends.

    “He and Peter Costello and the people around them want to nobble the ABC.

    “They want to suppress it, they want to intimidate it.

    “And that’s why they’ve stacked the board with outrageous appointments like Michael Kroger and Ron Brunton.”

    NOTE: Kroger is one of Costello’s best factional buddies.

  47. “Lol welcome to the ‘cut and paste’ club Kitty” (Mac).

    Don’t get too carried away John. She’s not in your league yet. When she can cut and paste two books at a time then we will elevate her to your status.

    I was impressed with her content though. I think it ended the argument with a thud.

    Leftist perverts 1. RWDBs 0.

  48. “Lol welcome to the ‘cut and paste’ club Kitty” (Mac).

    Don’t get too carried away John. She’s not in your league yet. When she can cut and paste two books at a time then we will elevate her to your status.

    I was impressed with her content though. I think it ended the argument with a thud.

    Leftist perverts 1. RWDBs 0.”

    Lol : Kitty’s use of cut and paste references was effective no? I could hear the thud from my house.

  49. Gittin has his knife out:

    Ross Gittins With best intent, politics intrudes
    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/with-best-intent-politics-intrudes-20090210-83fi.html?page=-1

    Malcolm Turnbull’s opposition to the $42 billion package is humbug. It seems almost completely politically motivated. He accepts that there’s nothing sensible the Government can do to stop the downturn pushing the budget into deficit and he accepts the need for stimulus, which will add to the deficit. He claims the Government intends to borrow $200 billion (which is wilfully misleading) and then admits he would borrow only $22 to $27 billion less than Rudd plans to.

    And yet he cries crocodile tears about “mortgaging the future of our children and grandchildren” (a gross exaggeration of how long it will take to repay the debt), seeking to play on the public’s naive instinct that governments shouldn’t have debts.

    He’s trying to reinforce the Peter Costello-inculcated fiction that Labor is the party that gets the nation into debt whereas the Liberals are the party that pays it back and restores the budget to its God-ordered state of balance. (This conveniently overlooks that Paul Keating inherited a recession-swollen budget deficit from John Howard in 1983, which it took him five years to turn into an annual surplus.)

    Turnbull’s objection boils down to an arcane argument that a “permanent” tax cut would be more stimulatory than a once-only cash bonus. This is debatable. In any case, he’s not proposing a permanent tax cut, just that the tax cuts already planned for this July and next be brought forward.

    He seems to be playing on people’s unconscious perception that tax cuts are a legitimate return of people’s own money, whereas cash bonuses are just wasteful government spending.

    Because they fail to see the similarities between the two measures, people fear the bonuses will be wasted on gambling or plasma TV sets or, worse, saved, whereas no one ever questions what people choose to do with their tax cuts.

    But whatever his professed objections, Turnbull is desperately hoping the package will be passed by the minor parties in the Senate (who are busy playing their own attention-seeking games).

    He knows that, were he to succeed in blocking the package, he’d incur the wrath of voters hanging out for their bonuses, as well as put himself in a position where Rudd could shift to him the blame for every bad economic development from now on, which may explain why he seemed to be wilting yesterday.

    So why’s he doing it? Because, after feeling constrained to avoid resisting Labor’s changes to Work Choices and its climate change measures, his troops are desperate to start opposing things. Bipartisanship advantages governments and disadvantages oppositions.”

  50. John, it was a knockout blow.

  51. “Amazing a lefty loony public broadcasting authority supossedly brainwashing our population with leftoid propaganda allows Akerman and Bolt to appear
    shaneinqld, on February 11th, 2009 at 8:31 am Said:”

    Yes and Nasking went very close to saying that the ABC shouldn’t allow Bolt to speak. Thats what annoyed me. You leftoids do like to censor.

    As for the ABC, the perception in conservative quarters is that it is a taxpayer funded branch of the ALP

  52. Adrian at just after 7.30. There is no link because Turnbull never said anything of the sort. You write like you know what you’re talking about, and you possibly do, which is what makes all these false representations from you so contemptible.

  53. Neil

    And is there any evidence that backs up this perception? or is it just that by saying that it is a “taxpayer funded branch of the ALP” is enough evidence?

  54. Neil

    You want censorship then visit Piers Akerman. The hypocrit of censorship, decrying China for INternet censorship yet he censors anyhting that he does not have a smart arse comment to respond to or disproves his argument.

    At least here Neil your comments are posted freely.

  55. If the ABC is such a leftoid organisation why do all of you right wing extremists watch it and whinge ?

    Being a bushy myself almost every farmer I know is conservative, yet they all watch the ABC, funny that Neil.

  56. Neil

    If it is a tax payer funded branch of the ALP why on earth would they let Akerman and Bolt on the station, your logic is hysterical.

  57. ‘As for the ABC, the perception in conservative quarters is that it is a taxpayer funded branch of the ALP’

    Yes we know that Neil. It’s just one more demonstration that conservatives like you are slow-witted creatures whose beliefs are built on prejudice without bothering to consider evidence or logic.

  58. But Ken, logic is just a method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence. 😉

  59. Leaving bias aside for a moment – and I have my own views on their political culture – the ABC has just demonstrated what an invaluable service they provide in times of crisis. ABC radio in Victoria has turned itself into a virtual 24 hour emergency information service. I take my hat off to them.

  60. Actually I don’t think Neil is a conservative at all; I’d be surprised if he even knows what it means. He just has an irrational hatred of people who don’t share his faiths and beliefs. It’s a common sign of intellectual insecurity.

  61. ToSY

    100% agree on what ABC Victoria is doing!

    Absolutely amazing.

  62. Tosy

    Yes completely agree with the ABC in Victoria

    Isn’t it wonderful we as a community still own something that can change to suit the needs of the community without having to put returns for shareholders first. This opportunity has been/ or is being lost in Public Transport, Water, Electricity, Finance

  63. Has anyone heard from Min ?

  64. “Amazing a lefty loony public broadcasting authority supossedly brainwashing our population with leftoid propaganda allows Akerman and Bolt to appear
    shaneinqld, on February 11th, 2009 at 8:31 am Said:”

    (Neil) Yes and Nasking went very close to saying that the ABC shouldn’t allow Bolt to speak.

    How do you get that? I think you are doing some furious back pedalling!

    The way that I read it, Nasking is pointing out his amazement at a supposed ‘leftoid’ ABC even having rusty bolt and Akers on any program, if it really was biased to the left it wouldn’t let those two wingnuts through the front door.

    To use your logic, I think the whole ABC and Barry Cassidy must be biased to the right because Insiders allows Bolt to take over the show, talk over everyone else and do so much talking and interjecting, that no-one else can get a word in.

  65. Hear, hear kitty!

    That is what stopped me watching Insider whenver Bolt was on. It wasn’t so much his arguments (which get trashed as often as not by the others), but the way he is allowed to act like a spoilt little sh#t by by talking over the top of them, hijacking the topic for his own soap box, and making snarky remarks to rile up the others on the show (it’s easier to discredit someone who is angry rather than polite).

    Akerman spews his bile (which I cannot stand), but he conducts himself better than Bolt on Insiders (if not up to Annabelle Crabb’s shining standard).

  66. Ha ha if you want to see backflips watch the Dudd squirm as he tries to convince everyone his speech in parliament didn’t link monetary assistance to bushfire victims with the cash splash he’s trying to get through parliament !

  67. Davo, most RWDBs have been growling that the Bushfire funding offered by Kevin Rudd was a mere pittance. Now it’s a cash splash!

    You guys are hard to fathom.

  68. Au contraire migs, davo’s cookie-cutter take on politics is predictably easy to fathom at first glance.

    At leasy ornery Neil is trying to flesh out his reflexive distaste for leftist perverts with a little bit of nostalgic RWDB bilge.

  69. “if it really was biased to the left it wouldn’t let those two wingnuts through the front door. ”

    True kittylitter…but what really irks me is the ABC providing promotional gigs for well paid corporate media journos & opinion-makers…particularly when there are so many NEW, INFORMED VOICES out there…but what do we expect from a publicly funded media run by a man who thinks that Rupert Murdoch is “the last, best hope for newspapers”.

    And “rusty” is a very apt description of Bolt et al…:) Get out the polish.

    Rust never sleeps…it just gets more irritating as time goes by.

    Mebbe the ABC board will do many of us a favour & do some late summer cleaning.

    Yea RIGHT.

    N’

  70. Oops. Crikey has now backflipped on its “Turnbull Backflips” article:

    Postscript: Crikey has now been advised this morning’s joint party room briefing created a misunderstanding about the Coalition’s position regarding the stimulus package. Malcolm Turnbull’s office has issued the following clarification:

    “There has been no change in position. The Coalition will oppose this package in the House of Representatives and the Senate. If Mr Rudd fails to get the $42 billion package through the Senate he should sit down with the Opposition and negotiate a new package, which we believe should be between $15-20 billion.”

    http://www.crikey.com.au/Politics/20090210-Opposition-back-flips-on-stimulus-package.html

  71. Tony of South Yarra

    So is Crikey backflipping, or is churnbull backflipping the backflip?

    Looks more like they simply put out a wishy washy statement (understandable, given the sort of footwork being attempted here) and have clarified it.

  72. Tony of South Yarra, re Turnbull’s statement, I referred to it more than 24 hours before. See the third comment on this thread. Nature 5, on February 10th, 2009 at 4:55 pm Said:

    Put simply, Crikey got it wrong! But at least they acknowledged their error. Now if the MSM did that on the odd occasion, their credibility might be rescued.

    Cheers.

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