Friday Frolyks

I am going to be very busy later in the day so I thought I’d put the Friday thread a bit earlier than normal.

Here are some stories of note to start discussion:

I know which story has me worried.

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341 Responses

  1. joni

    me worried too !!!!!

  2. And to the others, obviously shane and I are referring to items one and two. Obviously.

  3. Re: story number three on masturbation. I also note that men who masturbate often are more likely to enter politics. Once they are in politics the frequency with which they grasp their penis and start tugging increases 10 fold. So frequent is the activity of masturbation within politics that it is impacting important legislation.

    Retirement, once thought of as a natural remedy which might lessen the incidence of masturbation is now dismissed as a chimera. The endless flow of memoirs penned by retired politicians indicates that masturbation is still a favourite pasttime.

  4. I know which story has me worried.

    Um, yeah, the first one. No, no, I mean the second one.

    Just on the third one – which doesn’t worry me one bit – how did they conduct this survey?

    “So, Mr Nerk, I see you have prostate cancer. I bet you masturbated in your 20s and 30s, didn’t you?

    /Yeah, that’d work.

  5. Tosy

    LOL

  6. “Mr Nerk?”

  7. Maybe I’d better set-to writing that will.

  8. rest easy chaps.

    Article 3 continues….

    “Ironically, men over 40 that jerk-off or shag a lot of ‘babes’ (sic) can reduce the risk of prostate cancer.”

    So as long as you keep it up (so to speak) you should be fine in the long run…

    [who writes this garbage…?]

  9. reb, what if someone helps you?

  10. joni,

    well naturally “masturbation” is a practice that would only be indulged in by those hell-bound non-God fearing types, so prostate cancer seems like a just punishment for choking the bishop.

  11. It’s good to see they’ve got around the blindness aspect, anyhow.

  12. Thanks Tony. You weren’t tempted to use “Simon McCool…?”

  13. change of subject…

    What to do about the situation in Zimbabwe?

    Inflation at 231 million per cent

    Half the population in need of emergency food aid

    3000 dead from cholera

    economy has shrunk by 45 percent in last 5 years

  14. i read about Zimbabwe reb, how do you pronounce the zimbabwe amount of their budget.? Far too many zeros for me so I have no idea. No calculator can take that many zeros.

  15. 96% unemployed and 4% employed. Yet we are stressing at 95% employed and 5% unemployed.

  16. Shane,

    What I don’t understand is why hasn’t the good old US of A invaded Zimbabwe to oust Mugabe.

    He fits all the criteria – “evil dictator,” kills his own people, country in ruins et cetera. And yet not a cowboy in sight?

    Maybe he needs to start talking about weapons of mass destruction, or somethin’…?

  17. Anyone got any music? Yoo hoo scaper..or anyone?

  18. Min,

    Just for you…

  19. Try this one to get the kitchen rocking.

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=wvPXDwtT16A

  20. Reb, they can’t get a resolution passed against him……something to do with China. Another case of those evil Yanks trying to act against wrongs in the world only to be derailed by other UN Security Council members with their own political interests at heart. Sort of like France and Russia putting their own interests ahead of effective resolution of the problem in Iraq.

  21. Getting stuck in the spam bin all the time is frustrating!

  22. Nice save joni!

  23. Good one, reb.

    The shot of “Rumpole” in that clip reminded me that John Mortimer died last weekend.

  24. And thank you to reb and scaper..and here’s one back again.

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=HpuLnMUpMdU

  25. BTW reb, how’s the holiday? missing all of us?

  26. I think that a post of mine went walkies and so apologies if there is a duplication. Just a thank you to reb and scaper for the music. And from me…

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=HpuLnMUpMdU

  27. Nuffin’ is coming up. Never mind. I have to choof.

    This is one is for the serious kitchen dancers and involves serious cuddling of one’s loved one. And you lot know who I mean.

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Smeyf8nhM5Q&feature=channel

  28. I see Garrett is twisting the knife into Gunns…a real sellout is he???

    I hear that his next target is the SA government over the plan to flood the lower lakes with sea water which would destroy the ecosystem…or is this a delaying tactic???

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,24983907-36418,00.html

  29. Gee, it’s quiet around here.

    Music break.

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=IXdNnw99-Ic

  30. Huh, on January 30th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    Sad news about John Mortimer, a very accomplished man in many ways.

    aaah! Rumpole of the Bailey – elegantly played by Australian actor Leo McKern – I was always a big fan – Rumpole had She Who Must Be Obeyed -and I am blessed with The Minister!

    Big fan – watched every episode!

  31. “elegantly played by Australian actor Leo McKern”

    John Mortimer always said he was the perfect Rumpole. I once met Leo McKern – propped up at a bar drinking red wine and reading (although he was reading the paper not The Oxford Book of English Verse) it was so typically Rumpole.

    “Big fan – watched every episode!”

    My mum and I used to watch it together. She has promised me the DVD set of the series for my birthday.

    Trivia tim – Did you know that the actress that played Liz Probert (the female barrister whose facther was a commie councillor) was McKern’s daughter Abigail?

  32. Re Trivia time – no – cronyism everywhere! 😆

    Did you talk with LM?

  33. Drank a couple of glasses of red with him. 🙂

    Anyway the boy’s arrived (late as usual) so I’m out of here.

    Have a good weekend everyone.

  34. Bye huh,

    Have a good one.

  35. The story getting-up my nose at the moment is the way those wankers on Wall Street are still paying themselves billions in performance bonuses.

    Jesus H. Christ. They run the entire world financial system into a brick wall and continue to pay themselves all that extra lolly.

    Obama is right up-them over it, and quite rightly too.

    Now that Blackwater has been tossed-out of Iraq, maybe the US Government should contract them to clean-out Wall Street. Now I’d like to see that.

    Yep, a couple of companies of steroid-munching Blackwater goons with flame-throwers should manage the job nicely. After all, they’ve already demonstrated that they’re pretty good at knocking-off civilians in Iraq, so cleaning-up the worthies at Citibank and Merrill-Lynch should not pose much of a problem.

  36. Is aquanut there?

    I enjoyed Galaxy Quest – it gave me a few laughs. Do you have any other recommendations?

    Min,

    Hubby’s computer died half an hour ago. It died before Xmas as well and after some great expense was quietly confident it would live a long life. He will let you know via Blogocrats when he’s back online and no doubt will need your email address again. You know who my husband is wink wink.

  37. Hi joni,

    Holiday is great thanks. I’m down at the beachside bar again. Just in time for PDDs (pre-dinner drinks), on the wireless wifi.

    Yes, missing all of youse…. hence I’m here…now where’s that waiter…

    WAITER…!!

  38. Hi Jedda,
    glad you enjoyed it, try ” the man who knew to little” .
    One of my favourites
    I have a good idea who your hubby is. 🙂

  39. Who?

  40. Could it be Miglo?
    If i’m wrong i apologise for the mistake and to miglos real wife .

  41. Gee im nosey, why did i even say that. sometimes i just feel like i know everything when in reality…..

    seriously i’ll stick to movie advise instead. 🙂

  42. I can’t tell a lie. Miglo it is. How did you know? BTW he’s been pacing the floor all night waiting to get onto my computer but he’s finally given up.

  43. Jedda

    Tell Miglo it’s duck season and watch him run (or is that waddle) away.

  44. I’ll tell him when he wakes up joni. I don’t want to interrupt his snoring. He goes off to bed with his iPod and listens to some podcasts but always falls asleep and wakes up hours later with earbud wires wrapped around his head.

  45. I’ll tell him when he wakes up joni. I don’t want to interrupt his snoring. He goes off to bed with his iPod and listens to some podcasts but always falls asleep and wakes up hours later with earbud wires wrapped around his head.

    hehe, poor daffy! – ‘sufferin’ sassafrass, I’ve been sabotaged’.

    I like it that we have a marital team on blogocrats. Does EVERY man snore?

  46. Is this associated with your group Scaper?

    http://www.angelfire.com/folk/southerncrossgreens/

  47. Jedda,
    im sure past comments have given it away.

    Lol he listens to the ipod and you get the snoring. Inhale, quack quack quack, inhale, quack qu…. …… 😀

    Kittylitter,
    # Does EVERY man snore?

    when i become one i’ll let you know. But i have blown out more then a few windows with the passing of wind subject. 80

  48. 80 was meant to be the emotion(shock)

    8-0

  49. “scaper…, on January 30th, 2009 at 6:19 pm Said:
    Gee, it’s quiet around here.”

    Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

    Well I wonder why ?

    My God you people are so “slow”. You just live in your little gated community until the rebellious ones leave.

    And you still cant work it out ?

    You deserve each other !

  50. kittylitter, on January 31st, 2009 at 12:49 am Said:

    Does EVERY man snore?

    I’ve lived in ship messes with up to 70 males crammed into bunks stacked three high (though modern warships have improved accommodation they still cram the junior rates in).

    The snorers were by far in the minority, especially in the junior ranks. Seems that more people snore in the NCO messes but at least there is a lot more space there and fewer people.

    On one of my reserve stints over a decade ago I went to sea on a destroyer and it was the first time I served on a warship with females. Women didn’t go to sea when I was in, they introduced that not long after I got out.

    In the cafe one night I heard a couple of the females complaining about another one who snored.

    One of my sisters snores. For the record I’m a drunk snorer but my dad could rattle windows.

  51. …but my dad could rattle windows.

    hehe, sounds just like my dad. Prior to dad’s illness, I was reliably informed by my mother that she hadn’t slept for over 40 years!

  52. Paul Kelly has a blub in the Australian today.

    Rudd sees death of neo-liberalism

    <blockquote"…The significance of Rudd’s essay is that Labor will become the party of ideological attack and neo-liberalism and its backers will become the targets. This is a device to keep Labor united during the coming recession and the Liberal Party on the defensive.

    He sees the crisis not just in policy terms, but as a turning point in the history of ideas. He wants to bury the Howard legacy and the Liberal Party in the failures of American laissez-faire…

    He shuns any embrace of old-fashioned socialism. For Rudd, Labor’s task is to hold the middle ground – between state socialism and free-market fundamentalism. He argues the failure of neo-liberalism has made the state the primary actor; it must save the financial system, stimulate the economy and impose a new global regulatory regime.

    Rudd has put Turnbull on notice. His plan is to convert the global crisis into a historic failure of Liberal Party philosophy and its pro-market ideas."

  53. kittylitter @ 9:06 am

    But wasn’t that what it was, a failure of neo-liberal ideology?

    See that shanana had a similar post in the same paper, but with nothing but extracts, no little digs at the government or pre-formulated conclusions.

    Does this mean he is actually learning to become a (gasp) ‘reporter’

    Also, read this the other day with a wry smile.

    http://www.crikey.com.au/Politics/20090128-Open-letter-to-Malcolm-Turnbull-and-Julie-Bishop.html

  54. Hello Jedda..just to let you know that I’ve caught your note.

    If it’s any consolation, hubby is also a snorer. I spent years trying to roll the culprit over but light unto dark, a solution. Hubby isn’t all that keen on spiders, and so a light tickle on the ear seems to send creepy-crawlie vibes and he now rolls over all by himself 🙂

  55. Well, well, Mr Rudd has decided that we need a “new economic and political orthodoxy (paradigm?) – maybe called “social capitalism” or “social democracy”…according to Laurie Oakes in today’s Courier Mail…

    …apparently Mr Rudd spent much of his Christmas break “…researching and writing a scolarly 7700 word treatise on the global financial crisis…”

    …I reckon he must have found Blogocrats (or he’s going through back issues of Blogocracy)! 😆

    ————————————

    I prefer to live in a society rather than survive in an economy! 😉
    …………………………………………

    Prosperity With Integrity! 😉

  56. ‘scuse the typo “scholarly” (of all words!) 🙂

  57. Gee, another bit of social engineering from the PM!

    I’m not going to stand by and watch this nation become a one party state!

    I have a hunch that certain people have got together to form a new political force to capture the support of the disaffected conservative and the swinging vote.

    If this comes into being I suspect the Greens will lose some of their support which really was through default anyway which will put a wide grin on my face!

    Just a hunch…mind you…

  58. The emerging dictator reckons he can change the world…another term and he will be as arrogant as the last PM became.

    Filtering the net is the first example.

  59. g’day scaper,

    I don’t think “social” means Communist.

    I hope that it refers to the issues that JMc, myself and others have been banging on about that The Robber Barons will no longer “rule the roost” (ie government decisions) – this is the time to do it when they have lost much of their “power” (money) to influence decision making – methinks PM Rudd and T Swan are kicking themselves with the three year golden guarantee to the banks (too much, too soon).

    However, the world needs a new, more equitable system, if not, I can see new nationalism sweep the globe and set us all back a few decades!

  60. I don’t disagree about a new system, I just believe that the PM and Treasurer are not talented enough to formulate such based on their reactionary behavior thus far concerning the crisis that they say they never saw coming.

    Punching above their weight and intellect I reckon.

  61. But it will not be them formulating that system, just garnering the best talent that can do that and use what’s available in the public service.

    There isn’t a national leader and treasurer on the planet that could do that scaper. Also I find it strange you are calling them reactionary when the opposition and the RWDB media are calling them for not being reactionary.

  62. In my opinion the stimulus package before Xmas was reactionary as it did not achieve the stated purpose.

    Best to let the house of cards come crashing down rather than propping it up with match sticks…I believe the culture will remain regardless what intervention the government has in mind for the next round of stimuli and engineering.

  63. Just a note: I hope that all friends in Victoria are safe.

  64. Because it did not achieve (all of ) the stated purposes due to things rapidly changing, as they still are, you label it reactionary. Strange, especially when Rudd consulted heavily with the financial sector and his own financial experts, and that was clearly flagged at the time.

    So you propose we wait till everything settles down or the wash cycle stops before adding in conditioner?

  65. The outcome of this case could be a worry for us here at Blogocrats for if found for the prosecutor it means we may no longer be able to href to some article headlines but have to first link to a home or portal page where there are ads and from there navigate to the article.

    Hyperlinks: the end of online journalism? GateHouse Media Inc. and The New York Times Co. will be facing each other ina US federal court this week in a fascinating case that is sure to be followed closely by bloggers and journalists across the world. In what will likely be a precedent setting case for new media, GateHouse claims New York Times Co. site Boston.com is violating copyright and trademark laws by republishing headlines and lead sentences from GateHouse Wicked Local sites on Boston.com, linking to the original articles [on the Wicked Local sites] and as a result allowing visitors to bypass ads posted on the GateHouse home page. GateHouse also claims this is creating confusion about the source of the original story. Read Write Web

  66. scaper, I said there isn’t a leader in the world who could do that, but then lo and behold I come across a speech from a world leader I would never have guessed with the nous to even remotely understand anything financial, who in that speech displays a fairly sophisticated understanding of the causes to the current crisis.

    Read the speech here: Speech to the World Economic Forum

  67. Adrian, I could not find anything in the speech to disagree with.

    At last a world leader that is recognising the impending global food shortage and is acting on such…if we keep ignoring the fact we will miss out on the next boom that is essential to maintain life.

    We have the resource but not the governmental nous to achieve this.

  68. Tom R, on January 31st, 2009 at 9:17 am Said:

    kittylitter @ 9:06 am

    But wasn’t that what it was, a failure of neo-liberal ideology?

    Yes, tom r, I thought the article was great in that it showed the bias of Paul Kelly towards the Howard neo-libs. If you note my opener was Paul Kelly having a blub, that was because Kelly’s such a cheerleader for Howard and business, it must have brought tears to his eyes to be writing this:

    He wants to bury the Howard legacy and the Liberal Party in the failures of American laissez-faire…

    Geddit? It’s all the Americans fault, conveniently forgetting that Howard was in lockstep with the US and business has carte blanche in Oz too, but Ruddy will use it to bury Howard and the libs (what Kelly’s really afraid of). Still offering undying support for Howard’s mob, still refusing to give any credit to Rudd and Labor.

  69. Of all the nations to come through this crisis, environmental degradation and food shortages the best, Russia would be at the top. Their people have shown time and time again they can put up with extreme weather events, terrible autocratic governments, evil dictators both domestic and a foreign one invading their country, mass starvation events, mammoth shortages of just about everything over extended periods (half day queues for one staple that runs out arriving at the head of the queue), etc. et. al.

    There was/is a large people’s movement in Russia to go back to communism even amongst those who were now better off in a quasi democracy. It might have been hard but it was utterly predictable.

  70. The Only Eyes…no, I believe in responsible immigration.

  71. scaper…, on January 31st, 2009 at 12:53 pm Said:

    In my opinion the stimulus package before Xmas was reactionary as it did not achieve the stated purpose.

    Well, you would be about the only one scaper.

    All reports that I have heard were saying it had done what it had planned to do, provide stimulus and confidence around the Christmas period.

    Of course, this was always to be temporary, as nobody knows what is happening day to day.

    from http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24867252-5013404,00.html

    But she said lower interest rates, the Government’s economic stimulus measures and its car assistance package would all provide a timely confidence boost.

    Australian National Retailers Association chief executive Margy Osmond said Christmas and Boxing Day sales had exceeded all expectations.

    Form all reports. a new package will be released this week. Lets hope it is as successful as the previous package.

  72. Rudd specifically rejects the socialism of old (my bold)

    Rudd dates the neo-liberal ascendancy from 1978-2008 and speculates with breathtaking hubris (kelly can’t resist a sneer at rudd the arrogant usurper)that the post-2008 epoch might be called “social capitalism” or “social democratic capitalism”. He says it will be defined by an activist state and open markets.

    In Rudd’s view, social democrats must use a resurrected state power to regulate markets, strike a better balance between public and private interests, embrace Keynesian economics, correct for market failure from the financial system to climate change and invest more in education, health, unemployment insurance and retirement incomes – while supporting open markets and withstanding attacks from the extreme Left and nationalist Right.

    He shuns any embrace of old-fashioned socialism. For Rudd, Labor’s task is to hold the middle ground – between state socialism and free-market fundamentalism. He argues the failure of neo-liberalism has made the state the primary actor; it must save the financial system, stimulate the economy and impose a new global regulatory regime.

    I’m with Rudd on all of the above.

  73. I can’t see much to argue with KittyL.

  74. Kittylitter

    A little trivia, which reliable source does Rudd turn to when it comes economic perpsective? Blogocrats! That’s right! (wink)

    Capitalism didn’t cause crisis: Turnbull
    Posted on January 17, 2009
    https://blogocrats.wordpress.com/2009/01/17/capitalism-didnt-cause-crisis-turnbull/
    I’m awestruck by the opposition leader’s grasp of the ‘global financial and economic crisis’ . The opposition leader vehemently denies freemarket capitalism caused crisis, he says:

    “Those people who say, oh this was caused by an excess of capitalistic free-market activity are quite wrong,” Mr Turnbull told ABC Radio on Friday. The catalyst for the crisis – the US sub-prime collapse – was the result of interfering with and subsidising the housing market, he said.
    “The fundamental error was … lending money to people who can’t afford to pay it back.”
    “You do that on a large scale, you’ll end up with these problems.
    _________________________________
    The current crisis just as convincingly represents a failure of the Big Government/Neoconservative (or, outside the United States, what is called“neoliberal”) model that promotes deregulation, reduced supervision and oversight, privatization, and consolidation of market power in the hands of money manager capitalists.

    In the United States, there has been a long-run trend that favors relatively unregulated “markets” over regulated banks that has also played into the hands of neoconservatives. The current financial crisis is a prime example of the damage that can be done by what has been called the “post-regulatory environment” (Thomas 2008).

    The swing toward markets and away from regulated banking greatly increased risk, while at the same time it necessarily extended government assurance to the unregulated institutions for the simple reason that the government cannot allow a financial crisis to threaten the economy.What Bernanke called “The Great Moderation” is also known as the “Greenspan put”—the belief that no activity is too risky because the Fed will intervene if things go bad. Unfortunately, it is Chairman Bernanke who is left to clean up the mess left by years of lax oversight and deregulation that operated to the advantage of Wall Street.

  75. I just want to point out that I am slowly cooking to death here in the office. No aircon and the sun is streaming in on my back.

  76. John McP..just ran the above statements by Turnbull via hubby. Mind you, I didn’t expect much of a response as he is on home duties installing curtain rods. However hubby replied: Don’t take the blame if you don’t have to.

  77. This is fantastic, finally politicians will have to have a good grasp of economics instead of trying to wing it.

    Rudd, Turnbull square off
    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24986192-5017906,00.html
    A DEEP ideological divide has opened between the major parties in Australia.

    Prime Minister Kevin Rudd’s new essay in The Monthly is designed to define it, own it and position Labor on the side of the chasm with the social democrats, whose hybrid model of government activism and free markets he says will provide the way out of the global chaos.

    It is designed to leave Malcolm Turnbull’s Coalition Opposition stranded on the other side of the fault line, with the rest of the neo-conservative free-marketeers whom he blames for the whole sorry mess.

    Whether Australian political reality will cleave quite as neatly as the Prime Minister’s rhetoric is less certain. But the immediate practical debate about what kind of stimulus the Government should provide right now is dividing along exactly these ideological lines.

  78. joni, on January 31st, 2009 at 3:20 pm Said:

    I just want to point out that I am slowly cooking to death here in the office. No aircon and the sun is streaming in on my back.”

    Get back to work!

  79. Min

    Your hubby sounds like a very wise man.

  80. Joni..get a hand towel, wet it and put into the freezer. Preferably rotate 2 of them.

  81. John McPhilbin, on January 31st, 2009 at 3:22 pm Said:

    joni, on January 31st, 2009 at 3:20 pm Said:

    I just want to point out that I am slowly cooking to death here in the office. No aircon and the sun is streaming in on my back.”

    Get back to work!

    Wipe the sweat (or is it tears) from your eyes – and stop whining!

  82. One response of sympathy (as expected from Min) and two of scorn and derision…

  83. Joni..get a hand towel, wet it and put into the freezer. Preferably rotate 2 of them.

    Place it on back of neck, this helps to cool the whole body (or use a cold pack for sports injuries if you have one in freezer handy).

  84. But I still luv youse all.

  85. Next comment from hubby. You haven’t lived until you have worked at Gove.

  86. Whoops sorry KittyL, I did indeed forget to tell joni where to put the frosty hand towel. As per Kitty, it’s the back of the neck.

    [Awaiting the comeback joni] 🙂

  87. Tom R, I thought the purpose was to protect jobs, not fill the pockets of retailers.

    The January unemployment figures will tell the true story…one way or the other.

  88. I tried to post comments yesterday highlighting the the failures, and lo and behold, they didn’t get published. ANd I kept my comments short and to the point. Wow, and today they’re all having a crack . I love it!

    Give capitalism some credit
    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24982361-5016936,00.html
    HOUSE RULES: Christian Kerr | January 30, 2009
    Article from: The Australian

    KEVIN RUDD got the rhetoric right at the start.

    Rudd sees death of neo-liberalism Paul Kelly
    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24987297-12250,00.html
    In Rudd’s view, social democrats must use a resurrected state power to regulate markets, strike a better balance between public and private interests, embrace Keynesian economics, correct for market failure from the financial system to climate change and invest more in education, health, unemployment insurance and retirement incomes – while supporting open markets and withstanding attacks from the extreme Left and nationalist Right.

    He shuns any embrace of old-fashioned socialism. For Rudd, Labor’s task is to hold the middle ground – between state socialism and free-market fundamentalism. He argues the failure of neo-liberalism has made the state the primary actor; it must save the financial system, stimulate the economy and impose a new global regulatory regime.

    Rudd has put Turnbull on notice. His plan is to convert the global crisis into a historic failure of Liberal Party philosophy and its pro-market ideas.

    Rudd’s market manifesto
    The Australian’s Dennis Shanahan reports on Kevin Rudd’s essay on the current financial crisis.
    http://player.video.news.com.au/theaustralian/#O_vNn8AWhJvBfM_lstgWm5Pm6pvOf5qI

  89. Thank you John McP…hubby is a good bloke, the soul of patience which maybe he has to be married to yours truly. He doesn’t tolerate fools lightly which is why he doesn’t say much re Turnbull.

  90. No scaper, if I remember, and I think quite clearly, the main purpose was to encourage spending on retail over the Christmas period and to stop the collapse of the housing market.

    The RWDBs are still stating it was a pokie machine stimulus with one I read stating the whole 10.4 billion went into poker machines. But I mostly don’t let the truth get in the way of a good RWDB rant against the government if it makes them feel like they’ve scored a point.

  91. John McPhilbin, on January 31st, 2009 at 3:20 pm Said:

    re Rudd, Turnbull square off

    Turnbull (and the Liberal Party) are still following the idiocy of the neo-cons in America, they may as well call themselves the Australian branch of the Republican Party.

    Right-Wing Myths About The Stimulus

    MYTH 1 — SPENDING IS NOT STIMULATIVE:
    MYTH 2 — STIMULUS WON’T CREATE JOBS:
    MYTH 3 — PERMANENT TAX CUTS ARE THE BEST STIMULUS:

  92. Adrian, thanks for the correction…I wonder how retail is performing now?

    The government can not sustain these handouts to stem off what is going to eventuate anyway in my opinion…keeping a healthy reserve to power the ‘bounce’ would be prudent.

  93. Hasn’t Hardly Normal shut around 10 stores this week? All down to our protest at his charity comments?

  94. scaper…, on January 31st, 2009 at 3:44 pm Said:

    Tom R, I thought the purpose was to protect jobs, not fill the pockets of retailers.

    The January unemployment figures will tell the true story…one way or the other.

    Er, if these figures will tell the story, how then can you claim that it has failed already??

    The fact is, jobs will be lost, it is the extent that will vary.

    Since all economic indicators have been better than they thought, then for whatever lost jobs there are, it could have been much worse.

    This is all about confidence, and all indicators show that confidence rose through that time because of the stimulus.

    Of course, if any jobs at all are lost, it is very easy for you to say that it has failed. We will see your reaction when the time comes.

  95. And yet from The Oz: Harvey Norman posts a surprise revenue rise. Quote: Mr Harvey said he was surprised by the strength of the figures, which follow warnings from department stores Myer and David Jones of a decline in sales for the first half.

    “I think it was the stimulus package, the mood of Christmas, the fact that only 5 per cent of people were unemployed,” Mr Harvey said.

    January was shaping up as “not great but not bad”, he said..

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,24986249-36418,00.html

  96. Myth 3 is what Turnbull is running on and if it were true then America would not have gotten into the current mess at all as Bush bought in billions in tax cuts as did Howard, so how come we are in such deep shit?

    Surely they aren’t saying to cut all taxes to zero permanently? And just where is the state supposed to get its revenue for health, education, infrastructure, social welfare, defence, law and order, anti-terrorism and all the wages of the public service needed to run a government and country?

    Oh I know. The neo-liberal theory goes that if you significantly cut taxes that mostly favour the wealthy they will use that money to invest in their enterprises, increasing output, productivity and hiring more employees, which all feeds back into the economy and increases the tax intake for the government. Pity that it has hardly ever worked that way, and those with the most ability to pour back into the economy the way the theory states don’t feed it back into their enterprises and employ more at all, they pour it into themselves.

  97. Re Poker machine spending here in Queensland and the ‘boost’ given by the handout: From the CM

    “More than $167 million was spent playing poker machines in December – 10 per cent above the previous month’s $152 million.”

    See all down to that naughty stimulus package. QED. But hang on, let’s go back a little further and we find:

    “The August turnover of $173 million was an alltime monthly record and exceeded July by $7million.”

    http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24585813-5015825,00.html

    So there we have the ‘truth’ of the matter. December’s spend was about the same as July’s and somewhat less than August’s. So the story might have been Rudd’s hand-out caused a ‘decline’ in money put through the machines. And we have the figures to prove it. Lol.

  98. Spending over seven billion for a short term gain is a failure in my eyes.

    I love this confidence thingy too…the public has been bombarded with predictions of gloom by the economists and the government on almost a daily basis and then expect people to be confident???

    I don’t see much of that out there.

  99. Miglo hasnt posted, he could be angry i opened my big mouth.

    i regret exposing the secret if it was ment to be kept silent.

  100. But even that December on December gambling increase for Queensland only represented way less than 1% of the total amount of the stimulus that went to Queensland. I posted the actual figure in another post.

    Also there is the fact that in times of hardship gambling in the lower socio economic groups traditionally increases and this can explain the increase outside of the stimulus.

  101. They’ve all come out to play, Dennis Shanahan quotes Rudd as well.

    Kevin Rudd’s plan to rescue capitalism: essay

    “…This neo-liberal philosophy was reflected in “wave after wave of tax cuts”, he says, and governments bragged about reducing debt while not investing in education and skills.

    “Neo-liberalism, and the free-market fundamentalism it has produced, has been revealed as little more than personal greed dressed up as an economic philosophy,” he says…

    …”Government is not the intrinsic evil that neo-liberals have argued it is. Government, properly constituted and properly directed, is for the common good, embracing both individual freedom and fairness, a project designed for the many, not just the few,” he says.”

  102. Joni may i suggest you blow on yourself and see how that goes or wet a shirt excluding the sleeves as to prevent water dripping down your arm while typing.

  103. aquanut, on January 31st, 2009 at 4:22 pm Said:

    Miglo hasnt posted, he could be angry i opened my big mouth.

    i regret exposing the secret if it was ment to be kept silent.

    His computer is broked.

  104. Oh yeah, i didnt think of that… Thanks Kitty

  105. Aqua, I keep forgetting to ask. When is the missus heading off for hols..when do we need to send food parcels?

  106. Queensland’s population growth is in the order of 2.3% per annum. More people more gambling. Funny that.

    Woolworth’s profit up by 8.8%. And to be serious this is not healthy for the longer term.

  107. lol, you can book the food drops at the end of march or begining of april. Did i mention my dad wants to leave as well, wow, just me and the girls, 3 cats, 4 chickens and a pregnant dog(wasnt me).

  108. scaper…, on January 31st, 2009 at 4:19 pm Said:

    I love this confidence thingy too…the public has been bombarded with predictions of gloom by the economists and the government on almost a daily basis and then expect people to be confident???

    Yes they have but not from the Rudd government from what I have heard. If there is one thing that has impressed me since the start of this is how the Rudd government has mostly stated it the way it is, almost heartlessly.

    Remember before Christmas the opposition were saying that Swan was being too optimistic as they embellished doom and gloom. Then after the package washed through and the government began talking about hard times to come, the opposition had a go at them for spruiking doom and gloom whilst Turnbull was all optimistic about Australia’s ability to get through hardly scratched.

    So from what I have heard the government has given level headed, emotionless and almost boringly consistent messages on this, doing so in phases as each new set of data becomes available.

  109. Rudd:

    “Government is not the intrinsic evil that neo-liberals have argued it is. Government, properly constituted and properly directed, is for the common good, embracing both individual freedom and fairness, a project designed for the many, not just the few”

    Must have read Saul.

    “People become so obsessed by hating government that they forget it is meant to be their government and is the only powerful public force that have purchase on”

    Certainly shaping up as a clear ideological split. Silly Bishop is still clearly identifying as a neo-liberal as well.

  110. Gee, I’m off the boil today…must be the getting sick of alcohol thing.

    I have to admit that the PM has been relatively measured but I do recall seeing the Treasurer on Sky a week or so ago and I almost fell off my chair…it was very gloomy in my opinion.

  111. Aqua, it sounds as if you might need more than food parcels. Am thinking home help.

  112. Yes scaper, Swan an be a worry sometimes, but I still think he’s measured compared to all the doomsayers around him, much of the media and absolutely sanguine when compared to John McPhilbin.

  113. I’m glad that I wasn’t sipping on my tea when I read that!

  114. i cook very well, im just being a sook. Thanks for caring Min 🙂

    and believe me, i will sook again.

  115. Well that settles it Aqua..it’s YOUR turn to cook us all dinner.

  116. (…opens the window with a smile, takes a deep breath off fresh air.
    Jumps out and dose the Harold.)

  117. I am going to finish work in a few mins (I hope) and then on the ferry to Manly for dinner with the boyf… and unfortunately back to work again. It’s gonna be a long nite.

  118. Help…I’m in the spam bin!

  119. “Joni may i suggest you blow on yourself and see how that goes”(aquanut).

    WTF!!!!!

    Not a good way to cool down aqua. On the contrary, it can makes things rather hot.

  120. No spam bin is unescapable!

  121. As you can deduce my computer has been fixed.

    In defence of my good self I am only a snorer when drunk or very tired. Last night I was very tired.

    Also, it appears that some people think I’m a duck. I am not an animal. I’m a human being.

  122. Re scaper being in the span bin, I think that this requires a concerted all round effort. Come on blokes and lassies, a one-two-and a heave-ho.

  123. You quack me up, Miglo.

  124. A human being a duck?

  125. Min, that spam bin has icky coloured rubber walls and a pongy gravelly patch in the corner!

  126. Thats horrible hours Joni, i can only think of one thing worse.
    ————
    I decided to ruff it out for my wife this afternoon so i got pizza for a change, while there i complete the order and the young chap gives me the price.
    I looked at him with a serious puzzled look and said,
    “What it’s not free on saturdays?
    The poor kid looked so stressed,
    relax bud im kidding, dead set.
    my humour is disappointing at times.

  127. Migs..you snore. Hugs to the other half who obviously has a lot to contend with being married to a duck.

  128. maybe a feather pillow might help with the snoring.

  129. Min, like I said, I’m only really a drunk snorer. States of drunkedness see me deported to the spare room.

  130. Yes aqua, I have a duck down pillow.

  131. Scaper, as long as that spam bin doesn’t have paisley wallpaper, I think that you’ll come through it ok.

    The other stuff re rubbery walls and pongey gravel are hopefully just flashbacks to previous scapery jobs rather than premonitions about jobs yet to come.

  132. Miglo..I don’t believe you. Face it, you snore.

    Now that’s scarey, I have a duck down pillow too.

  133. Paisley???

    Only after licking cane toads.

  134. scaper this is what Rudd said today without emotion, which was played on the news a short time ago;

    “Australia will have the strongest growth in the OECD but according to the IMF growth will be near zero, we must prepare for that.”

    Nothing wrong that as far as I can ascertain.

    —————————
    My god Rudd has snookered Turnbull beautifully. Turnbull has stated that Rudd’s eschewing of neo–liberal economics makes a lie of his claim to be an economic conservative. It means Rudd is all for higher taxes and big government.

    Rudd shot straight back on neo-liberal economics certainly not in anyway helping the current crisis and the fact the previous government was the highest taxing and biggest government in Australian history. That Rudd has cut taxes once and already cut government (even if stupidly and in the wrong areas) means that his government is lower taxing and is a smaller government than Howard’s.

    What does Turnbull do now he has tied himself so closely to the belief in neo-liberal economics and the unfettered free market. This is one where in six months he can’t take back what he said and state he didn’t mean what he said back in the beginning of 2009.

    If the economy keeps going down the gurgler Rudd can continue to point the finger at the economic creed of the opposition and previous government as being the harbinger, yet when it improves he can point to his regulatory policies and stepping in to bail out the unfettered free market. Turnbull has nowhere to go and should have taken the middle road as he did with his environmental policy, where he matched the government whilst pointing out its shortcomings and value added practical extras (even if uncosted).

  135. It seems we have made the blog roll at Corporate Engagement at Crikey.

  136. Damn Turnbull by calling Rudd a socialist. has attempted a McCain when he called Obama a socialist.

    Worked really well for McCain.

  137. Turnbull is so bad even his back bench are shaking their heads.

    I remember reading somewhere before the election that the losing party would crumble…it seems the case now and it is not good for democracy in these uncertain times.

  138. Scaper I can’t find it on Crikey Blogs. But might I say with currently 139 inputs just for Friday Frolyks, so should it be.

  139. I have a stepson in Adelaide who runs a very successful mechanic shop. He’s also a RWDB who was convinced that the election of a Rudd Government would spell doom for his business.

    The sky hasn’t fallen in on him.

    While over here at Xmas he said that he takes his hat off to Rudd. The economic package had seen business go though the roof. People who had put off having minor repairs to there cars inundated his workshop after the package now that they had the money to get those annoying little things fixed. During that period his turnover increased $3000 a day.

    So it appears that not all the money went into poker machines.

  140. Do any other Blogocrats use Skype? I can highly recommend it.

    For those that don’t know what Skype is, it is a free VOIP (voice over internet protocol) that allows you to call any other Skype contact for free.

    My wife and I use it to call family or friends interstate/overseas for zilch. All you need is a microphone plugged into the computer, which you can buy for less than $10.

    We also have cameras plugged into our computers (which you can also buy rather cheaply) which allows us to see our contacts while we speak. It’s great for the wife as she can see her grandchildren while she speaks to them.

    My oldest brother, who lives near Canberra, called a friend’s home phone from Skype to Cairns, spoke for 20 minutes and it cost a ridiculous 18 cents.

    My wife also uses Skype through her iPhone and a call to a hard line costs an extreme 4 cents a minute.

    Give it a try. Download Skype – you’ll never regret it.

  141. Have been using it for a long time Migs but beware of the trap of not using it for a set period as you lose whatever money you have in the account.

    Our business also uses it and we have just had a new phone system put in with two VOIP channels.

  142. That happened to me too Adrian. I put $20 into my Skype account many moons ago and lost it 6 months later because I never used it. That’s why I only make free calls to other Skype contacts. The people I would generally make regular calls to are also Skype users, making it ideal for me.

    Our department also changed to VOIP a couple of years ago, saving the Aussie taxpayers squillions.

  143. The limit is 180 days so I always make sure to make at least one paid call every month as sometimes any longer than that more poor brain can’t remember to check Skype for when I made my last call.

  144. “Researchers at the University of Nottingham have determined that men who masturbate often in their 20s and 30s are far more prone to developing prostate cancer.”

    bollocks!…:)

  145. What is masturbate???

  146. Impetus for another thread?

    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24990091-29277,00.html

    Great headline…Rudd v’s Turnbull…& the cold war is back on apparently.
    Trusty Rupe & his well oiled apparatus at news.com.

  147. I had to see if this…

    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24983460-2,00.html

    …is true by trying out a Roadrunner vid. Homage, note permanent scar from upside down crucifix burnt into Glenn’s forehead. He also once was famously misquoted (according to him) as intending to end his life at the same age as his (imagined) nemesis the Redeemer. He is grown up now & just loves guns & his country.
    An irreligious nutjob for a change.

    I should probably mention that the clip is “bleak, unamusing & tinged with horrorblood.”.

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=IJkMrl4AG8w

    After all that, they were on Earache at the time, oops.

  148. kittylitter, on January 31st, 2009 at 4:27 pm Said:

    They’ve all come out to play, Dennis Shanahan quotes Rudd as well.

    Kevin Rudd’s plan to rescue capitalism: essay

    “…This neo-liberal philosophy was reflected in “wave after wave of tax cuts”, he says, and governments bragged about reducing debt while not investing in education and skills.

    “Neo-liberalism, and the free-market fundamentalism it has produced, has been revealed as little more than personal greed dressed up as an economic philosophy,” he says…

    …”Government is not the intrinsic evil that neo-liberals have argued it is. Government, properly constituted and properly directed, is for the common good, embracing both individual freedom and fairness, a project designed for the many, not just the few,” he says.”

    Shock! Horror! (wink)

    I’ve been debating this stuff so long now I was beginning to think common sense would never prevail. I’m going to be absent from Blogocrats for a while unfortunately. I’m sure by my return, however, debates will be running white hot.

    It’s Rudd v Turnbull on capitalism
    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24990091-12377,00.html
    WATCH out – the Cold War’s back.

    End of an Era: Is Cowboy Capitalism Dead?
    Posted on October 21, 2008
    https://blogocrats.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/end-of-an-era-is-cowboy-capitalism-dead/

    Lets face it, many us here know, at least intuitively ,that the current ‘free market system (or Cowboy Capitalism)’ has not only been responsible for the current global financial crisis but has has in many ways eroded of sense of community and values – in other words, democracy and all its supposed benefits have become a distant and secondary concern .”

    Perspective: Why ‘Market Fundamentalism’ Has Failed
    https://blogocrats.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/ts-meltdown/
    Posted on October 14, 2008
    Very little has been discussed about the origins of the current crisis in a larger economic framework. So, I went hunting for something that would offer an economic-political perspective and found an excellent article by a professor of economics in the US, which I think is excellent as and overview.

  149. Adrian

    You’re loving all this aren’t you Adrian, I know I am.

  150. What is masturbate??? (Tboss).

    It’s something Crow’s supporters do whenever number 23 goes near the ball.

  151. What is masturbate???

    this

    🙂

  152. Oh, I see you already had the answer there in your hands Toiletboss at 8:18 pm (so to speak)

  153. Miglo

    And it is something Power supporters do anytime ANYONE IN TEAL goes near the ball 🙂

  154. Tom R,

    Get a hold of yourself. Pull yourself together.

  155. I would, but I carnt see 23

  156. That’s because masturbating causes blindness.

  157. lol

    thank god for screen readers

  158. Yes Mac I certainly am because Turnbull deserves to slowly stew in the tacky porridge of his own making.

    I cannot remember which one but one of the right wing media commentators has had a go at Rudd for killing dead the bipartisanship he has asked for since the GFC started.

    Well sorry, no he didn’t, Turnbull did by taking the full credit for anything the government did that the opposition had even the slightest input into, then back flipping down the track and dumping on the government for the course they had suggested.

    The other reason was that the opposition keeps acting like a government demanding it makes the rules and policies and the government be a puppet to it. Scaper alluded to this at 6:13 pm in that at this time we need a good opposition as at this time there is scope for a massive cock-up that can do long term damage to the country and a good opposition will be allowing sound or not so bad policy through whilst critiquing and pulling apart any potentially bad policy.

    Seems this opposition is allowing the bad stuff through or coming out with much the same whilst pulling apart and lambasting the decent stuff. They really have it so wrong.

  159. Looks like all these Music Breaks we have been enjoying might be short lived as well

    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24983460-2,00.html

  160. So, Kevin Rudd, in an effort to demonstrate that he’s as deep-thinkingly intellectual as the next ex-diplomat, has spent the summer holidays writing an eight-thousand word essay. This work – sure to be read by some – is yet to be published. So, until we can choose not to read it for ourselves, we must rely on the pre-publicity.

    It seems, from the authorised snippets, that Mr Rudd has applied his functioning brain to the global financial crisis and has boiled the whole thing down to a few sound-bites:

    “Free market fundamentalism, underpinning greed, caused the global financial crisis which has now caused a global economic recession affecting every country in the world,” Mr Rudd said today.

    It would be premature to judge Rudd’s thesis on the scant details available, but I would be unsurprised to find more of the same nuance-free sloganeering. To be completely fair, though, one suspects this is more about political posturing than any real attempt at a dispassionate analysis of the current economic situation.

    Rudd wants to try and pin the current economic challenges on Turnbull and the Liberals without mentioning – for example – the role successive Labor governments played in deregulation. Will such tactics be effective? Only time will tell.

  161. First 1500 hundred words now available:

    http://www.themonthly.com.au/tm/node/1417

  162. TOSY

    “the role successive Labor governments played in deregulation.”

    Undoubtedly! Whether it was ‘economic rationalism’ or ‘neoliberalism’ or whatever label one chooses to give, Hawke and Keating were in it up to their respective eye-balls. It was the ‘common sense’ of the times. (Impossible to escape if political success is or was your goal).

    And to add weight to the ‘myth busting’, it’s too simplistic to say that Howard was a ‘neo-liberal’. First and foremost, Howard was driven by the urge to be politically successful. While the prevailing ideology of neoliberalism sat comfortably with him, he never let it get in the way of ‘political success’.

    Unlike Thatcher, for example, Howard was not driven by ideology if it conflicted with the political ends. Howard was the ultimate political animal but that’s not to suggest he lacked an underlying ideology.

    Did Rudd write the article? I suspect not if you mean he penned every word. But I also suspect that he read every word and made significant changes. A bit like the ‘apology’ speech.

    As for:

    “Will such tactics be effective? Only time will tell.”

    Again I agree. But if Turnbull and Bishop keep arguing for less regulation and smaller government, then I suspect they will miss the political bus. As you suggest only time will tell? Feeling confident? Lol.

  163. Maybe we need legislation along these lines?

    “”I’ve been mad for a while,” said the Missouri Democrat. “When we passed the initial half of the TARP money, [there were] rumors about bonuses, the fact that too many of these guys were holding onto the jobs even though they were running these companies into the ground. Reality didn’t seem to be the order of the day.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/30/mccaskill-lays-down-law-o_n_162662.html

  164. Not sure if this is Rudd falling in step with Obama’s agenda, or an attempt by Kev to gain Barry’s attention:

    And so it now falls to President Obama’s administration – and to those who will provide international support for his leadership – to support a global financial system that properly balances private incentive with public responsibility in response to the grave challenges presented by the current crisis.

  165. Tony of South Yarra, on January 31st, 2009 at 10:41 pm Said:

    First 1500 hundred words now available:

    http://www.themonthly.com.au/tm/node/1417

    Great catch Tony, I’m going into hibernation for a while and I probably would have missed it. No phone, no internet – but I still have access to a newsagency. Cheers.

  166. Tony of South Yarra,

    “Not sure if this is Rudd falling in step with Obama’s agenda, or an attempt by Kev to gain Barry’s attention:”

    Dear oh dear. Not sure who is the “Barry’ to whom you speak, but can I remind you, that you lost. And did so here at home and internationally.

    A fine mess you made of things. Any successes you care to mention?

    Seems to grate. As it should! Lol.

  167. Wow! Even the Chinese Premier puts the boot in.

    China emboldened to lay the law on West
    https://blogocrats.wordpress.com/2009/01/30/friday-frolyks-2/#comment-18786
    YOU have to hand it to Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao. He gave the Western financial system – particularly as it operates in the US – a huge serve when he spoke at the annual World Economic Forum at Davos in Switzerland this week.

    As a leader of the country to which Australia and the rest of the world are looking as a means of cushioning the impact of the great recession of 2009, Wen could afford to make some hard points about the system that got the world into its financial mess, now widely agreed to be the worst since the Depression of the 1930s.

    Wen did not mince his words when he blamed the present situation on “inappropriate macro-economic policies of some economies and their unsustainable model of development, characterised by prolonged low savings and high consumption, excessive expansion of financial institutions in blind pursuit of profit; lack of self-discipline among financial institutions and ratings agencies and ensuing distortion of risk information and asset pricing; and the failure of financial supervision and regulation to keep up with financial innovations, which allowed the risk of derivatives to build and spread”.

  168. Barry = Barack

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/128633

  169. I see we are counting down to 200,000 hits!

    Who would’ve thunk it..?

    *hic*

  170. BTW,

    This is where I’m staying in Penang….

    http://www.penangclub.net/

  171. A fine mess you made of things. Any successes you care to mention?

    You? Capitalism, is that what you mean? I am more than happy to defend capitalism against any alternative you’d like to mention. Just tell me your preferred system, and we’ll compare their relative success.

  172. Looks nice Reb.

    /I see they have darts at the Men’s bar. Did you bring your flights?

  173. Tony of South Yarra, on January 31st, 2009 at 11:41 pm

    Noted that, and the increasing divide in rhetoric between a ‘West’ which has lost its leverage and somewhere elses which assert that the global political economy is ‘multi-polar’ now. Note, also, Barry’s bald assertion in his inauguration speech that America remained the most powerful nation on the planet and was ready to lead the world again.

    Echoes of it in Rudd’s…

    “Indeed, accounts are already beginning to emerge of the long-term geo-political implications of the implosion on Wall Street – its impact on the future strategic leverage of the West in general and the United States in particular….And so it now falls to President Obama’s administration – and to those who will provide international support for his leadership – to support a global financial system that properly balances private incentive with public responsibility in response to the grave challenges presented by the current crisis.”

    I’d nominate the above as crisis numero uno, for its reversal: America and the West have been seen to have fallen and their future leverage, especially as regards Bretton Woods 2b, and the entire Western-centric architecture of globalism that came to be under American and Western leverage, is under direct challenge. I’m not sure that those simple assertions of ‘leadership’ are going to go unchallenged in the political economy of the new globalism. If anything, the epochal changes cited in the first 1500 words seem to blithely skip over that first challenge. But agenda-setting is like that; just cut anything unpalatable from the agenda, and project the preferred state of affairs as a natural fait accompli.

  174. “John McPhilbin, on January 31st, 2009 at 8:48 pm Said:
    Adrian

    You’re loving all this aren’t you Adrian, I know I am.”

    THAT BASICALLY SUMS IT ALL UP JOHN.

    What a disgusting individual you really are by putting your own Marxist philiosophy first over the probable poverty (by your count 15 to 20% unemployed)

    You really make me want to vomit.

    To take joy in a temporary downturn. You piece of dogma crap.

    And dont give me the crap about the final nail in the neo classical free market model. It was never that in the first place.

    Go on your sabatical you loser. Go and hide since you cannot face the world.

    Some of us will make the world work again.

    You really are quite disgusting !

    I trust that Adrian does not agree with either of us. Otherwise it would not be Adrian.

  175. Japan pledges massive rescue package

    Aso is also to suggest an end to the blame-game surrounding the economic crisis after Russian prime minister Vladimir Putin and Chinese premier Wen Wen Jiabao made forceful speeches here pointing the finger at the United States.

    “We will say that we have no time to engage in a blame-game which is counterproductive and is in noone’s interests,” Mr Kodama said.

    Global imbalances, he will stress, are the result of over-consumption in the United States but also under-consumption and over-reliance on exports in major exporting countries such as Japan and China.

    “Countries must shed their dependence on external demand,” he will say, according to his spokesman.

    Fun, fun, fun.

  176. reb, on February 1st, 2009 at 12:10 am:

    I stayed at the Penang Club several times on my trips in the Navy. It was also a common drinking hole to go a little more upper class after drinking at some of the seedier bars in Penang.

    A short digression.

    The biggest rat I’ve ever seen in my life was on a walkway between one of Penang’s seedier bars and a small toilet block out the back. Half pissed I stomped my foot and shooed at this monster rat and no kidding this thing hissed and advanced towards me. I backed off until it scurried off and then had my piss in the usually foul holes and cubicles a lot of S.E. Asia call toilets.

  177. John McPhilbin, on January 31st, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    For a bewildered and increasingly enraged public, they raise the following questions: How was this allowed to happen? What ideology, what policy, what abuses made this possible? Were there any warnings? And if so, why were they ignored?

    In this last paragraph is the difference between the two major parties in Australia, at least as they currently stand with the Coalition still having part of the Howard influence.

    The Coalition wants to forget this part of the whole crisis and “move on”, only to continue the same processes and non-regulations that were responsible. They don’t want any look back as it may tarnish their self aggrandisement as great economic managers.

    As with most things the previous government glossed over or ignored there can be no moving on until the causes are investigated and the public told why it happened and what will be done to stop it happening again.

  178. Tony of South Yarra, on January 31st, 2009 at 10:15 pm Said:

    Rudd wants to try and pin the current economic challenges on Turnbull and the Liberals without mentioning – for example – the role successive Labor governments played in deregulation. Will such tactics be effective? Only time will tell.

    That’s not strictly true ToSY. Though he doesn’t directly say Hawke/Keating, he doesn’t start this downfall in 1996 but states “decades of neoliberalsim” or unfettered financial deregulation being undertaken over many decades. Last time I did my maths that means Rudd is saying this started before the Howard era.

    Compare that to the previous government which officially stated Australia’s unprecedented economic growth only started in 1996 when just about every other institution had it starting several years before that. Or their current claim that this world wide downturn began exactly on November 2007.

  179. It’s good to see that we are helping other economies.

    http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24990275-953,00.html

  180. This is like the pokies furphy scaper. So I guess what they are saying is that every single cent of the money given out be tagged to only be spent in Australia on Australian things. How much of the money handed out was spent on goods made by overseas companies or in overseas owned enterprises, which also ends up overseas? And it wasn’t all on retail spending don’t forget, there were other parts to that 10.4 billion package.

    That 81 million represents 0.78% of the total package handed out, and I suggest the cost of any oversight and regulatory control to ensure 100% of the package is only spent in Australia, on Australian goods and not on gambling would be way more than the amount of money spent on those things.

  181. Scaper @ 9:10

    That is an absolute debacle. It is arguably proper that aged pensioners who choose to spend their retirement somewhere other than Australia should still receive the full pension. There could even be the side-benefit to Australia of such overseas retirees of potential reduced strain on the medical and aged-care systems.

    Having said that, this is a total and utter debacle:

    By including 58,000 Australian pensioners who live overseas, the Government spent millions of dollars boosting foreign economies.

    In some cases, the recipients had not lived in Australia for decades.

    Under the plan, single pensioners received $1400 and couples $2100 – an injection of $60 million to $81 million into foreign economies.

    The biggest winner was Italy which, according to a parliamentary inquiry, had nearly 18,000 Australian pensioners resident in 2003. Its economy was boosted by up to $25 million.

    The economic stimulus package was designed exclusively to promote consumption in Australia. Non-resident pensioners should have been specifically excluded. Full. Stop.

  182. Another point. Where was Liberal Senator Scott Ryan’s slamming of the massive amounts of middle class welfare that were handed out with no oversight by his previous government, and thus went into gambling, alcohol, plasma TV’s etc. instead of what the money was slated for in the budget for.

    There was criticism of this several times during the previous government’s time in office yet Howard’s response was always what the individual does with his bribehandout is their business. Another case from the opposition of “move on”, what we did is in the past and to be forgotten.

  183. Damn I’m mangling again. I really have to proof read and stop trying to read and post to more than one board/forum/blog at the same time. Damn Firefox and tabbed browsing.

    My apologies but you know what I mean.

  184. What pokies furthy???

    The bottom line is that if people want to gamble they will find the money regardless if they got the handout or not…same goes for the alcopops!

    My problem is half the surplus is gone for no long term benefit, just to temporarily stave off the inevitable…not fiscally responsible in my opinion.

  185. So again scaper what is your suggestion as to what the government should have done before Christmas, given what it knew as the state of the problem at the time and the preponderance of advice almost across the board that what it did is what it should do?

    Half the surplus gone, but are you suggesting the government should have just held onto it and at a time the economy needed a stimulus continue running massive budget surpluses. This was Turnbull’s and the RWDB media commentators stance not all that long ago, but even now they are saying surpluses are something that should be blown on stimulus and deficits as an unavoidable consequence of the current situation.

    ————————–
    The pokies furphy was that there was an increase in gambling year on year over last Christmas and the handout was blamed for that.

  186. On alcopops, sales of them have decreased so dramatically the alcohol industry had to come up with a new form of beer based cheaper alcopop to boost sales.

  187. Keeping in mind the opposition, and specifically Turnbull, are advocates of trickle down economics and this is Turnbull’s answer to the crisis for Australia, this good article by John Quiggin is worth reading;

    Refuted economic doctrines #5: Trickle down

    Actually the whole series is worth a read.

  188. Adrian, I would have done nothing before Xmas…I would have used the money on infrastructure which creates jobs and also be of long term benefit.

    I still don’t understand what pokies have to do with the discussion either.

    As far as alcohol consumption goes the tax was a failure that has driven a lot to purchase bottled spirits which in my opinion is a lot more dangerous than alcopops…did you know that the government raised the excise on beer and wine under the cover of alcopops?

    This nanny mentality will fail as Australians don’t like being led by the political rings in their noses either…or having their Internet filtered!!!

  189. Sorry scaper have to disagree. Doing nothing before Christmas was not an option and the government would have been crucified by the media, business groups, workers groups and financial institutions if it had sat on its hands let alone the opposition having an absolute field day on that.

    Seems Rudd can’t win. Get’s accused of being a procrastinator when he carefully works out things over time and now is criticised for taking immediate action when it was needed.

    We discussed infrastructure spending at the time scaper, and that will come with the next round of the stimulus. But how does long term infrastructure spending that takes a fair while to get up and running, and only benefits limited areas of the economy, fix the immediate problem that was looming over the Christmas period and that needed to be fixed before much longer term stuff could be bought in?

    —————————
    I bought up alcopops as an example of the beatup and misinformation that goes with anything this government does. We showed all the figures and sources for the false data the alcohol industry bought out at the time, which includes the false premise of a large increase in bottled spirits. That didn’t happen, alcohol consumption all round went down.

    Strange how you say beer has increased because the alcohol industry has bought out a new family of alcopops based on strong beer because it gets around the excise.

    Howard also raised the excise on beer and wine several times, as has every State government many times. Two things have always been certain to go up in every budget, State and Federal, cigarettes and alcohol.

  190. It’s a sad day when a PM is so precious that he has to bow to the media or an ineffective opposition…I stand firm in my belief that the stimulus package was a tragic waste of our tax dollars.

    If it was so successful then why is the government going to blow more of our money on yet another attempt to avert the obvious???

  191. An unidentified blogger wrote the following:

    “John McPhilbin, on January 31st, 2009 at 8:48 pm Said:
    Adrian
    You’re loving all this aren’t you Adrian, I know I am.”
    THAT BASICALLY SUMS IT ALL UP JOHN.
    What a disgusting individual you really are by putting your own Marxist philiosophy first over the probable poverty (by your count 15 to 20% unemployed)
    You really make me want to vomit.
    To take joy in a temporary downturn. You piece of dogma crap.
    And dont give me the crap about the final nail in the neo classical free market model. It was never that in the first place.
    Go on your sabatical you loser. Go and hide since you cannot face the world.
    Some of us will make the world work again.
    You really are quite disgusting !
    I trust that Adrian does not agree with either of us. Otherwise it would not be Adrian.”

    I won’t dignify it with a direct response but I won’t censor the anger, frustration and confusion this person must be going through. Poor soul.

    I should state for the record, prior to running away that my enjoyment comes from the fact that finally the ‘myth of totally free markets (market fundamentalism) is being challenged and this is, long, long overdue.’

    I’ve stated my position many times and it’s similar to that of George Soros’

    Socialism: capitalism’s best friend – Tim Dunlop
    http://blogs.news.com.au/news/blogocracy/index.php/news/comments/socialism_capitalisms_best_friend/

    George Soros made his billions from exploiting the huge holes brought about by faulty thinking that markets are always efficient. He’s been light years ahead of many others in his understanding how markets really operate and he’s not shy in saying market fundamentalism has essentially outrun its usefulness.

    I think Soros is right when he says “The worst market crisis in 60 years’

    Market fundamentalism

    Market fundamentalism (also known as free market fundamentalism) is an expression used by critics of laissez-faire capitalism, usually by adherents of interventionist and protectionist positions, to denote an allegedly unjustified and exaggerated belief that free markets provide the greatest possible equity and prosperity, and that any interference with the market process decreases social well being. The fundamentalist element of this position is a dogmatic belief that free markets maximize individual freedom, are the only means to economic growth and that society should adhere to their specific ideas of progress. “Fundamentalists” believe that markets tend towards a natural equilibrium, and that the best interests in a given society are achieved by allowing its participants to pursue their own self-interest.[1] The expression is usually rejected as a ‘pejorative term’ by the persons and organizations to which it applies.[2]

    According to John Quiggin, the standard features of “economic fundamentalist rhetoric” are “dogmatic” assertions and the claim that anyone who holds contrary views is not a real economist.[3] John Ralston Saul claims this is simply a form of bullying.[4] This approach flows from evidence that neoclassical economics provides us with a scientific explanation of economic phenomena, an explanation that economists state represents the status of scientific truth (if, and only if, all the assumptions involved in deriving the economic analysis are simultaneously satisfied). However, as Kozul-Wright points out on his book The Resistible Rise of Market Fundamentalism, this “ineluctability of market forces” neo-liberals and conservative politicians tend to stress, and their confidence on a chosen policy, rest on a “mixture of implicit and hidden assumptions, myths about the history of their own countries’ economic development, and special interests camouflaged in their rhetoric of general good”.[5]

    Communism didn’t work, socialism didn’t either, nor has capital and what is now neatly referred to as the ‘free market system’. A re-thinks is definitely needed. The free market philosophy has always needs to be balanced with regulations designed to protect the greater good, rather than been able to operate like a casino.
    John McPhilbin of NSW
    Thu 17 Jul 08 (02:12pm)

  192. “By including 58,000 Australian pensioners who live overseas, the Government spent millions of dollars boosting foreign economies.”

    These people receive an Australian pension – every fortnight, that they have qualified for. So what if they decide to live overseas. Howard probably drove most of them away.

    “In some cases, the recipients had not lived in Australia for decades.”

    IMO this would just be speculation. It’s part of Rupes way in stirring up a frenzy.

  193. It’s time for me now to make a ‘runner’ see you all when I get back (wink)

  194. “It’s time for me now to make a ‘runner see you all when I get back” – John Mac.

    There’s goes our chances of reaching 200,000 hits by Xmas this year.

  195. Adrian,

    Nice to know another fellow blogocrat has stayed at the Penang Club.

    It still has that gentlemenly feel to it with the “dress code” intact. Ie no shorts and short sleeve shirts after 8.00pm.

    It’s all a bit camp really. And the staff are very courteous and helpful.

    You may remember Campbell Street in the Chinatown district. Tonight thousands of people will be gathering there for Chinese New Year celebrations. It’s going to be an event to remember.

    Thankfully, the local temperature is predicted to drop a little…

  196. Mr Swan said he had a strong preference for direct investment in nation-building infrastructure.

    He said incentives for business investment were always important.

    “But we must never forget that in this environment where there has been a collapse in global demand, the most important thing for the government to do to stimulate the economy is to stimulate demand so that business actually has some customers,” he said.

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24991854-12377,00.html

    Wow, Swanny is actually getting it…imagine what could have been achieved with ten billion???

    But then again look at the submissions to Infrastructure Australia.

    http://www.infrastructureaustralia.gov.au/public_submissions/published/uploaded_20081030.aspx

    Not exactly what I would call nation building in the real sense.

  197. Miglo,

    These people receive an Australian pension – every fortnight, that they have qualified for. So what if they decide to live overseas. Howard probably drove most of them away.

    I agree with you about pensions, but this one off payment – to stimulate the Australian economy – was not part of anyone’s pension entitlements. Pensioners were chosen as one of the selected groups, who might spend some or all of a one-off payment (whether they did or not is another matter).

    I stand by my statement that non-resident pensioners should have been excluded from this stimulus package.

  198. Agree in a way Tony. However, I expect one difficulty would be the extreme amount of investigation to work out which pensioner would be qualified and the ones who would be disqualified. For example, the old Italian granny who has been back in Italy for over 18 months who was needed to nurse her ailing eldest sister but who still pays rates in Australia.

  199. Re: Rupert Murdoch’s concern about tax dosh being sent to Aussie pensioners overseas, that’s a bit rich coming from an emigre like him.

    Being an American citizen and living there, it’s not as if his tax dollars are at work here. Any income tax he pays personally is paid in the US.

    And after all those great you-beaut tax cuts his mate George Bush doled-out to rich Americans, you can be he’s doing very well, thank you very much.

  200. Ahh, dress codes Reb. I was once refused entrance to a casino in Aus (only wanted to go to see what it was like) for wearing jandles. Mind you they were a nice stapply little number in green and blue leather and a wedge heel..but yes they did a toe/thongy thing. A far greater offence in my opinion were the blokes wearing knee high socks with brown leather sandals.

  201. The otherthing about the payout to the pensioners was that, although the stimulus was PRIMARILY designed to stimulate the economy, it also gave much welcomed relief to pensioners, who, according to the newfound heart strings of the opposition, were doing it real hard (thanks a lot to their help).

    To have neglected a group from this, would have been met with outrage, as much of this payment to pensioners was to help raise their living standards, albeit in the short term.

    Or would those against it prefer to have a segment of people left worse of than others.

  202. Miglo, on February 1st, 2009 at 12:38 pm Said:

    “It’s time for me now to make a ‘runner see you all when I get back” – John Mac.

    There’s goes our chances of reaching 200,000 hits by Xmas this year.”

    Migs, can it be done? Yes, it can! I’ll be clear about one thing as far as Blogocrats is concerned, in my opinion. It’s filled with a good bunch of intelligent and passionate people who often wear their hearts on their sleeves. And the quality of feedback comes from a place of honesty and integrity and mostly without fear of censor a large portion of the time. That’s priceless.

    I just need to refresh my batteries on a personal level and sort out a few things and will be eager to get back when the time is right.

    Thanks to everyone and especially for the efforts of joni and reb for getting everything rolling and keeping it rolling.

  203. I don’t condone the less well off being dependent on the whim of the government…better to increase the fortnightly rate at the last budget instead.

    Judging by the way the government is throwing our money at black holes like the car industry there was plenty there to make a real difference to pensioners!

  204. Migs

    You got me a good one (lol):

    “There’s goes our chances of reaching 200,000 hits by Xmas this year.”

    193,665 hits to date. Shit, I give the 200, 000 barrier one month tops (and that’s being extremely cautious in my prediction).

  205. scaper…,

    There was plenty there in previous budgets, too, so why do we find pensioners in this position.

    The reason it was not done last budget was that the entire system was under review (although, they did get more from the budget than previously)

    Also, this was only a partial consequence, the main drive was to stimulate, which evidence has shown it has done.

  206. I reckon 200000 will be hit this coming week… probably by Thursday.

    And I am flat out here at work (still) where the sky is falling in because of the incometence of others, and I am expected to clean up the mess…. not a happy camper.

    Anyone have any suggestions for this weeks top five thread?

  207. I was only stirring you John. I for one will miss your input during your well-earned rest.

  208. “And I am flat out here at work (still) where the sky is falling in because of the incompetence of others” (joni)

    Maybe this week’s top five can be things we dislike in other people.

  209. Miglo,

    No – it must be a positive for today, otherwise some may mention snoring in their list (LOL).

  210. The top five Australian bands of all time?

  211. Borrowing from one of my favorite tv shows. The Worst Jobs in History…??

  212. How about the things we like in people.

  213. Top Five Aussie bands it will be…. I hope to get that thread up in an hour or two.

  214. Nah..far to many love-ins on this blog already 🙂

  215. Please scaper don’t take this as me having a go at you but I’m having great difficulty understanding your Hyde at the moment.

    You are bringing up stuff and lambasting the government over things that have been comprehensively discussed and detailed explanations given in the past.

    First example:

    Judging by the way the government is throwing our money at black holes like the car industry there was plenty there to make a real difference to pensioners!

    I agree with you on the car industry handout but linking it to the pensioner handout?

    We went through several topics on this and how the opposition attempted to wedge the government and have them waste billions on pensioners in one off payments. The government in its usual way thought through it and spoke to the groups concerned. It then gave a one off payment and then a lot more in the Christmas stimulus package. It was agreed by all that one off payments for pensioners was not the way to go and that a whole of system approach was needed. The government promised to address this in the next budget and we will have to wait until May to find out if they hold to that.

    Yet you seem to be advocating continuing one off payments and at a time from what I’ve read most pensioners are not doing terribly through this because of the payments made by the Rudd government. I’m not saying they are on cloud nine, but they aren’t on dog food either (except the gamblers and they will always be on dog food).

    Second Example:

    If it was so successful then why is the government going to blow more of our money on yet another attempt to avert the obvious???

    Again this has been canvassed many times and the government never ever said it was a long term fix for anything, just the first shot in the arm to get through the Christmas period as companies were already starting to conduct mass layoffs, pensioner groups were saying that getting through the holiday period was going to be very difficult, social and charity groups were going to be massively overwhelmed, the banking industry was going to shut down lending and the building industry would crash. Some or all of those things happened to a degree anyway but most got through Christmas after which the GFC had worsened and more data was revealed. Now the government is responding to that with their second package, which you will say is a waste as well.

    Third Example:

    But then again look at the submissions to Infrastructure Australia.

    Not exactly what I would call nation building in the real sense.

    But that is October 2008 and things have moved on a long way since then. The government has said they will address infrastructure in their second stimulus package yet you are crucifying before anything of that has been released.

    And there are the other examples I raised in earlier posts. It appears you have a bee in your bonnet all of sudden over this government and you’re going back to previous old stuff to bash them over the head with. There are things to criticise this government over, like Internet filtering, but to crucify them for things they have already done and have mostly been praised or resolved is a bit unfair.

    This 10.4 billion package is an example where the RWDB media hacks have been harping on about it being a failure over the last month or so in the belief if you say it often enough then it will become fact. Yet not one has shown exactly where it has completely failed or have given any alternatives, except maybe for one or two aping Turnbull in saying it should mostly have gone to tax cuts, which would have mostly benefited the wealthy. In other words go for trickle down economics as the solution.

    So again I have to disagree with your assessment on this. It was not perfect by a long shot, but it wasn’t a failure either, and I think it was something similar to what most thoughtful governments would have done, and is in fact what most government did around the world in one way or another with most of them also now planning second rounds of stimulus just as Rudd is.

  216. Oh b*gger, I don’t know any music later than the ’80’s…

  217. Miglo, on February 1st, 2009 at 2:14 pm Said:

    I was only stirring you John”

    Migs

    And I never seen it coming, damn I do need a rest (lol)

  218. Min, on February 1st, 2009 at 2:30 pm Said:

    Nah..far to many love-ins on this blog already 🙂

    I love U Min

  219. Me too, John McP. Min waltzes away with flowers in her hair.

  220. I don’t like anything about people anyway. I’m really a mean spirited prick who makes out to be a nice guy.

  221. Hope you have a good break, JMc.

  222. Good call Scapes. Bout time we got away from talking about unproductive, non-artistic bingbats the like of Turnball, KRudd, Costello, et al.

    1. Bee Gees
    2. Easybeats
    3. AC/DC
    4. Daddy Cool/Mondo Rock
    5. Angels

    Honour Roll: Masters’ Apprentices, Dragon, Loved Ones, Divinyls, Baby Animals, Cruel Sea, You Am I, Badloves.

    Shite: Oils, LRB, Whitlams IMHO

  223. Oops. Sorry Joni. Premature exacerbation.

  224. Point 1. The money that has been given to the corporates could have been directed towards the less well off in the form of increased fortnightly payments…as a businessman I find it disgusting that a government favours a failed industry and multinational at that!

    Point 2. I believe that we will go into recession and it would be prudent for the stimulus to come into being at the very bottom of the cycle, not blowing it for no real gain.

    Point 3. I would like to know why these submissions were accepted without much detail whilst others have to supply all the nuts and bolts to a point that it takes months and a lot of money to achieve this end.

    I believe the government, economists, the media and the opposition are working towards this nation’s best interest at all…just love the manifesto…Mien Dog’s Breakfast too.

  225. I’m not really a nasty piece of work, I’m just in a ‘fowl’ mood.

    Ever tried dealing with Telstra? Enough said.

  226. oh telstra, The company that cares.

    Miglo the satisfied and loyal customer holding back his praise for such a great service.

  227. Oh Telstra, the company that scares.

  228. Top five thread up now.

  229. Telstra?

    Boy, did I have a spray at them over at Jack’s the other day concerning the new broadband network…I will not repeat it here as it was a demo of the scaper of old…plenty of profanities and a fellow blogger called me eloquent???

  230. Try this one. Son connected his phone service up in Cairns, and so they cut off our home phone in NSW.

  231. lol Min

    I just have a lot of trouble convincing people i dont own a mobile phone.

  232. I’m with you Aqua. I own a mobile just in case something happens to the car so that I can phone roadside assistance but otherwise I don’t give out the number. Me versus a mobile..I can’t hear people anyway, so not much point.

  233. I ticked a little box that said I would in future receive my Telstra bill electronically. In due course an email arrived to let me know that my bill was now in my Commonwealth Bank B-Pay. I had to do nothing, as on the day the payment was due it will be paid direct from my bank.

    I later checked, and yes the bill had been paid.

    Last week I received a letter from Telstra to tell me the wonderful news that they hadn’t received payment. On Friday I spent 90 minutes on the phone (which included being cut off 5 times) trying to tell them that I had paid the bill. Some guy in India told me that I paid it into the wrong account, suggesting that I had altered the biller code. That agitated me.

    He suggested that I pay the bill again, as it would take up to 3 weeks his end to have the payment transferred into the correct account, which because of their mistake showed me overdue, and as long as it remained overdue it would effect my credit rating. This again agitated me as I take great pride in paying all my bills on time.

    Nonetheless, I paid the bill. I checked in B-Pay again today only to find that it again went into someone else’s account.

    Tomorrow morning someone at Telstra is going to die.

    Yesterday Jedda received an email from Telstra thanking her for signing up to a two year Bigpond Security account. She emailed back to say that they must have made a mistake. But Telstra write back to say that someone from our phone number had called to ask to sign up to the security program.

    She wrote back saying they were incompetent. They replied that someone had definitely signed up for the program.

    She will phone them tomorrow. She’s not afraid of spiders. She’s tough. Somebody at Telstra is going to be drawn and quartered.

  234. Miglo, I think that you win as the only other thing that I have to offer is that TWICE since moving – which means having the phone connected at the new house I have had to phone Telstra as they keep sending the bills to our old address. And I don’t feel like having to sign up for more months of mail redirection just because of Telstra.

    Got that..new phone number which is 07 rather than 02 but they keep sending the bill to our old address. And yes we completed their forms, in writing months ago.

    Phone number changed, no probs..but they still after 3 months can’t manage to change the billing address.

    And yes I was sarcastic and loud and rude towards the poor little lassie in India who could barely understand my accent, nor me hers.

    Jedda..GO FOR IT..you’re fightin’ for all of us!!!

  235. bloody hell, what a nightmare you two have had.

    When they arrive at my door which is frequelty, they try to sign me up to some deal and i ask what two years of my life is worth, They never have enough to sign me up and i really sound rude, as i dislike people who try to force sales.

  236. aquanut this one is for you!

    Next time you have a bad day at work think of this guy.
    Rob is a commercial saturation diver for Global Divers in
    Louisiana . He performs underwater repairs on offshore drilling
    rigs. Below is an E-mail he sent to his sister. She then sent it
    to radio station 103.2 on FM dial in Ft. Wayne , Indiana , who was
    sponsoring a worst job experience contest.

    Needless to say, she won.

    Hi Sue,
    Just another note from your bottom-dwelling brother. Last week I
    had a bad day at the office. I know you’ve been feeling down
    lately at work, so I thought I would share my dilemma with you to
    make you realize it’s not so bad after all. Before I can tell you
    what happened to me, I first must bore you with a few
    technicalities of my job.

    As you know, my office lies at the bottom of the sea. I wear a
    suit to the office. It’s a wet suit. This time of year the water
    is quite cool. So what we do to keep warm is this:

    We have a diesel powered industrial water heater. This $20,000
    piece of equipment sucks the water out of the sea. It heats it to
    a delightful temperature.
    It then pumps it down to the diver through a garden hose, which is
    taped to the air hose. Now this sounds like a darn good plan, and
    I’ve used it several times with no complaints.

    What I do, when I get to the bottom and start working, is take the
    hose and stuff it down the back of my wet suit. This floods my
    whole suit with warm water.. It’s like working in a Jacuzzi.

    Everything was going well until all of a sudden, my butt started
    to itch. So, of course, I scratched it. This only made things
    worse. Within a few seconds my butt started to burn..

    I pulled the hose out from my back, but the damage was done. In
    agony I realized what had happened.

    The hot water machine had sucked up a jellyfish and pumped it into
    my suit. Now, since I don’t have any hair on my back, the
    jellyfish couldn’t stick to it. However, the crack of my butt was
    not as fortunate.

    When I scratched what I thought was an itch, I was actually
    grinding the jellyfish into the crack of my butt. I informed the
    dive supervisor of my dilemma over the communicator. His
    instructions were unclear due to the fact that he, along with five
    other divers, were all laughing hysterically.

    Needless to say I aborted the dive. I was instructed to make three
    agonizing in-water decompression stops totaling thirty-five
    minutes before I could reach the surface to begin my chamber dry
    decompression. When I arrived at the surface, I was wearing
    nothing but my brass helmet.

    As I climbed out of the water, the medic, with tears of laughter
    running down his face, handed me a tube of cream and told me to
    rub it on my butt as soon as I got in the chamber.

    The cream put the fire out, but I couldn’t poop for two days
    because my butt was swollen shut.

    So, next time you’re having a bad day at work, think about how
    much worse it would be if you had a jellyfish shoved up your butt.

    Now repeat to yourself, ‘I love my job, I love my job, I love my
    job.’

    Now whenever you have a bad day, ask yourself, is this a jellyfish
    bad day?

    May you NEVER have a jellyfish bad day!!!

    It arrived in my email about a week ago but I’ve been rather busy…

    …at war with a carpet manufacturer at the moment – doesn’t anyone make merchantable quality anymore?

    A four year old carpet that’s faded from a light caramel to almost white – “ozone fading – not our fault, no warranty” (Warranty 10 years manufacturer, +3 from retailer – includes the term “appearance retention”)

    Grrrrr! They will replace, or refund, or it’ll be the Small Claims Tribunal…!

  237. lol TB, that was so funny when i got the brass helmet bit.
    I have some shockers over the years i have remembered.

    My worst job was replacing and maintaining pumps in the sewerage plants around Australia some years ago before they had full sealed suites. We would compromise with glad wrap and a very powerful hose.
    (yes the money was worth it)

  238. OB…

    My dad is still as excited as a giddy schoolgirl after seeing Leonard Cohen on Monday.

  239. “My worst job…”aqua

    I was gonna suggest working on a herringbone dairy, but upon reflection your sewerage diving does sound much worse…unless you factor in the comparative monetary compensations in which case getting shit upon by cows is probably worse by far.

  240. Toiletboss

    So I am – I saw Cohen on Thursday and he is still the only music on my iPod….

    I saw a beggar leaning on his wooden crutch
    He said to me “You must not ask for so much”
    And a pretty woman leaning in her darkened door
    She cried to me “Hey, why not ask for more?”

  241. “…John Howard takes you down,
    to his place by the river…
    you can watch the boats go by…
    you can spend the night beside him…

    etc.,etc.

    …& he feeds you tea & oranges that come all the way from China…”

    LOL

  242. NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!

    NO

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

    Can I make myself clearer?

  243. More seriously, the rest of my family saw Leonard on the green Sth of Adelaide & reckon he’s doing pretty well for his longevity.

  244. those long hours missing meals and ignore showers have built up to a point where Joni is on the edge.

    I hate to push you that little bit more, i bet you have a lot on your mind…. ——– , ——– ,—-orge of the jungle.

  245. Watch out for that tree that I am throwing towards you guys….

  246. i have blue moon stuck in my head for days, bah bah bah bah, rangadangdang bah…..

  247. Joni’s taken some angry pills.

  248. Throwing a tree?
    make sure you duck, miglo

  249. My worst job pales into insignificance re hubby’s worst job. Maggot infested food at a site in South Australia, and this is for every meal. And it’s not as if one could go elsewhere to eat. It took about 6 weeks before management agreed to install flyscreens.

  250. Cringe..George o’da’jungle is my fault. Hi Ho, Silver Awaaayyy..

  251. Min did they still sell the maggots in the meat?

  252. Aqua, the food was free being onsite however they charged 50 cents per maggot and therefore made themselves a handsome profit.

  253. Binned again!

  254. Quick..once again, time to gather the troops to rescue scaper from the bin.

  255. Just had a listen to “I’m Your Man” and “Dance Me to the End of Love”- not sure I could listen to a whole album of LC – or a couple of hours on stage…

    Glad you liked the Worst Jobs email, aqua

    …are you still, getting bitchy, joni, I thought that was, sreb’s, job?

    ==========================
    Just found a beautiful midi version of Lillee Marlene! What a wonderful invention/development the internet is!

    Will be singing at a friends 80th birthday at the of end of the month (they’re getting older!) 😯

    …I thought it would be nice to do a couple of songs from each decade of his life, Lillee might start it off nicely…although I’m not very good at rap for the 90’s – what’s this decade…mmmm? Maybe need to rethink…back to the drawing board, methinks 😀

  256. Well scaper it seems that the next stimulus package will favour the bottom feeders and there will be tax cuts and other measures directly aimed at low income earners.

    And Turnbull does it again. Unbelievable does this man never learn.

    Before the details are released and not a single aspect of the package is known Turnbull is crowing that it was him that got Rudd to bring forward the tax cuts, yet Rudd has still stuffed up because the tax cuts should be across the board, from the wealthy through to big business.

    Turnbull then waffled on about tax cuts being the be all and end all of the rescuing of the Australian economy and only tax cuts would save us. Trickle down economics explained without one word on the stream of failures this policy has engendered world wide, but you cannot get Turnbull to deviate from his belief in it.

    Malcolm some words of advice. Before launching into a tirade against your opponents hand and crowing about your cleverness, at least wait until your opponent reveals their cards and you have time to digest their probable tactics, then counter attack their weak cards and play equal or better cards of your own. All this bluff and bravado before the play of your opponents hand is continuously losing you the rubber as it often reveals you have nothing more than a chicane and don’t know how to play it.

  257. And damn if Julie Bishop then chimes in and doesn’t make it worse by giving the government a free kick.

    “Tax cuts across the board to increase tax revenue.”

    Please explain Julie?

  258. Turnbull is the proverbial rooster running around with his head chopped off!

    Seen this?

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24992299-12377,00.html

    This is a rare time that I agree with the person.

  259. TB, you’re singing at a friend’s 80th. You mean that we have a blogo’ who can actually sing in tune?

    Friend born 1928 – Makin’ Whoopee (Eddie Cantor)..thought that this was a good’un given that this is when he was born.

    1938 – Thanks for the Memory (Bob Hope)

    1948 – Had to look this one up, but Top of the Pops was I’m Lookin Over a 4 Leaf Clover

    1958 – Come Fly With Me, Frank Sinatra

    1968 – Sittin on The Dock of the Bay, Otis Redding

    1978 – We Are The Champions, Queen

    1988 – Wild Wild West, Escape Club

    And from then on, you’re on your own…

  260. Adrian of Nowra, on February 1st, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    And Turnbull may have a point. Economies consist of many supply segments built up over time…and demand consists of many segments also. Targeted stimulation of only particular demand segments of the economy under the premise that any demand is good will skew markets and the economy, and potentially cause further dislocation as between supply and demand in other sectors; it’s popularism, not economics. On the other hand, there is the paradox of thrift, which could play out variously across demand, supply, and income segments. As you observe, it’s perhaps best to wait for details, but presently the thing is looking like popularism pandering to a headlined economy which lacks markets nuance.

  261. Min

    Do you have a link for Bishops comment? I think it deserves a thread of it’s own.

  262. Adrian of Nowra, on February 1st, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    Multipliers and crowding in and out effects, maybe.

  263. Joni, I think that this was Adrian @ 6.04. HugsXXX

  264. i am cofussed with the bishops
    which one had the look of death
    i think the other bishop is the blonde headed woman who was in charge of education when librals were in leadership?

    oh its hard to keep up

  265. Legion here are the two schools of thought on this at the moment (thanks to Fred Argy at LP). Rudd obviously is in the second camp as are many other conservatives, and Turnbull is in the first camp.

    Group One:

    Most libertarians like Robert Lucas, John Cochrane, Robert Barro and John Taylor – argue that the Government should go for tax cuts. Malcolm Turnbull – in many ways a social progressive on issues like abortion, gay rights, republic etc. – has now lined up with the economic libertarians, even though his views were mostly favorable to the $10.4 billion economic stimulus launched in October.

    Group Two:

    Egalitarian economists like Paul Samuelson, Joseph Stiglitz, Robert Solow, Paul Krugman etc. want to use all relevant fiscal measures to minimize investment risk, ensure steadier income and avoid an increase in “core” unemployment rate – the rate consistent with inflation. This is also the view of some conservatives such as Martin Feldstein.

    Of course there are shades inbetween with some advocating a mix of those two measures along with others, but most fall into one or the other camps.

    ——————–
    Just to put the problem in perspective. If the government were to spend absolutely nothing over the next four years they would still be 40 to 50 billion in deficit. That is how much revenue they are going to lose if they don’t stimulate business and stem the unemployment flow. You then have to add whatever money the government spends (or blows according to your perspective) to that deficit.

  266. joni, on February 1st, 2009 at 6:12 pm Said:

    Do you have a link for Bishops comment? I think it deserves a thread of it’s own.

    Was on Ten News tonight. I’ll see if I can find a quote as a Labor minister was onto it quick as a flash.

  267. Hey, Min, thanks – I have some of those songs, admit I don’t know some too… 🙂

    I’m trying to cut 350 down to about 300 on my song list (I’ve got about 2000 midi/karaoke files). Like you, I can cover the deaceds up to 1980 – gets a bit wonky after that…! Still, I take it with your reply of lists you like the idea?

    ============================

    Adrian

    I do think that infrastructure spending is far more beneficial to the nation than tax cuts
    …it provides jobs and security for families – particularly those from the mines who will have just the skills needed for civil engineering projects…

    …I’m a self funded retiree – I won’t get any tax cuts (although I pay tax) but I do travel and pay for goods and services (eg transport costs)…and I get really peed off having to pay tolls…maybe government (taxpayer) infrastructure will eventually return…

    …improving infrastructure during tough times as been around since the First Fleet landed – and we have 200 years of history to prove it works…

    …but politicians never look back and only look forward to the next election – it is a dumb system run by a dumb bunch…and an even dumber bunch think they can do better!

    If I was a lower paid worker (as I was as a 21 yo husband and father struggling to support my family) I’d welcome the tax cut but be insulted at the premise that I would just “blow the money” – being on a low income doesn’t mean you are a spendthrift and silly with your money …

    …although Turncoat obviously thinks everyone is…as for google eyes Juie…nuff said

  268. joni, I think this is about the most complete article on the Julie Bishop story:

    http://www.skynews.com.au/politics/article.aspx?id=299313

  269. Channel Nine News just played Julie saying it as well, but they put the spin on it of Turnbull saying one type of tax cut and Julie saying something different on the type of tax cut.

    I reckon if you wait until tomorrow then Julie’s statement will be in the papers and across the blogosphere.

    Paraphrased: “Broad tax cuts across the board to increase the tax base and increase revenue.”

    Now I’m really a dumb f*ck on stuff economic and I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong, but tax cuts don’t broaden the tax base, introducing new taxes, tax types or expanding current taxes to encompass more areas does that.

    Cutting taxes reduces government revenue that normally has to be found by increasing charges elsewhere.

    —————————
    Something different. The commercial news bulletins have been playing this talk on tax cuts and Rudd’s essay as a positive for Rudd and a negative for the opposition, highlighting the internal differences in the opposition.

    ABC news just aired a bulletin that was way less than flattering to Rudd and had footage edited in such a way as to make it appear Rudd has been inconsistent in his economic stance, then cut in a Turnbull retort that appeared to be in direct response to the negatively framed Rudd expose. That was misleading as it was all taken out of context, and I’m sure Turnbull wasn’t responding to that edited footage but to a question by a journalist.

  270. And the first article on Julie Bishop’s statement emerges.

    Whadda you say what?

  271. And I thought the eyes were crazy.

  272. Julie Duh!

    At least separates her from Bronwyn – sort of…like nearly…like almost – aw f#@k it – what a dill!

    scaper, the eyes are only instruments of the brain…if you have one… 😀

  273. C’mon Adrian, where’s your response to – infrastructure is better than tax cuts? ( TB Queensland, on February 1st, 2009 at 6:37 pm )

    Don’t get me wondering again?

  274. Not enough brain to break Adrian and yourself out of the spam bin!

  275. “infrastructure is better than tax cuts?”

    Generally speaking, I’d go for infrastructure spending (almost) every time. But infrastructure spending takes lots of time whether that ‘infrastructure’ be of the physical or the ‘mental’ dimensions.

    Plans need to be drawn up, specifications to be established, tenders to be called, clarification to be provided, etc, etc. From the business side of things, there is a whole range of hurdles to be jumped as well, not the least of which, in the current climate, is the availability of finance.

    Simply, infrastructure spending if done properly takes time. It might be different if Howard had a bunch of well researched projects in the bottom draw (and maybe he did) but I see no evidence of same. We are told that Albanese as Minister for Infrastructure is in that process. But who knows.

    I don’t like tax cuts as a matter of principle but maybe they are the better option, given the current mess.

    Also infrastructure spending always has a taint of ‘pork barrelling’. Certainly not a killer blow but worthy of consideration.

  276. From my understanding, weren’t there already plans for an increase in infastructure spending?

    These I think were factored into the last budget.

    What we are seeing now is more a direct effort to stimulate the economy as the global mood worsens, and, since the increased infrasturucture is already in motion (again, my understanding) then this stimulus will be on top of increased infrastructure??

    If I have my facts right.

  277. Tom R,

    “If I have my facts right.”

    I think you have. The last Budget had an increased allocation for spending on infrastructure and what we are talking about is:

    “direct effort to stimulate the economy as the global mood worsens,”

    But the question TB proposed is whether more spending on infrastructure or tax cuts ir the best option, presumably at this time.

    Turnbull advocates ‘tax cuts’ from what I think is possibly a knee-jerk ideological reaction, but tax cuts maybe the better option given the need for speed.

    Personally, I favour a voucher for all and sundry for X amount that has a use-by-date of say three months. Use it or lose it. Lol.

    I’ll be off to the Coast for a week in the next few days in a (vain) attempt to break the Casino. Have tto keep the dollars circulating. Lol.

  278. Adrian of Nowra, on February 1st, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    Thoughts off the top of my head….more aggregate demand (in the sense of a reduced drop-off rate in aggregate demand) more generally stimulated by broader tax cuts might create a higher velocity of money and more taxable events in more places in the economy, therefore generating more demand via that boost to velocity/multiplier effects (including an implied multiplier deriving from government’s capacity to continue to expend from its own not-less revenues) and more (in the sense of not less) revenue across a wider range of activities than not doing so….which has ins and outs for managing the Government’s budget, presumably now a deficit, and how those flows, both in terms of the ins and outs of Government’s revenues and expenditures and the wider economy, can be manipulated over time. It has a certain basic sense to it….but, as Julie noted, governments should have a plan for putting their deficit budgets back into balance or surplus, and therein lies an issue with a government in deficit cutting taxes to stimulate demand to recoup more tax revenues than otherwise have been the case, in a system based on flows over time…getting it wrong (or even getting it right from that relative perspective) might leave a hefty accumulated deficit debt (but a reduced debt, relatively speaking, than if government hadn’t stimulated its revenue-base, per Julie’s argument)…and there are opportunity costs, either way, for a government operating in deficit, in terms of what they can spend on things like infrastructure and special, one-off stimuli and how much they can extract from credit markets without affecting the availability and terms of credit elsewhere in the economy. I think I can ignore the rest of her political positioning guff.

  279. Octuplets’ mother, who already has six children, turned down selective abortion

    An example of exercising the right to choose re abortion.

  280. I am off to the doctors this morning to get the verdict on the progress of my shoulder. I hope that I can stop wearing this damn sling and start physio and exercise – as this sedentary life is getting me larger than I want to be.

  281. Joni, you should be so lucky…ever since I went off alcohol I’ve lost too much weight and I feel like a stick.

    I have been eating like a horse all weekend but that will be spent by this afternoon…I need a fat pill!

  282. I think I got spaminated last night and also flicking between numerous browser tabs I might have not submitted once or twice when I thought I had.

  283. $96 billion spent in post Christmas shopping, which was above expectations.

    Methinks this is why Julie ended up tempering her attack on the 10.4 billion stimulus package as a failure. She ended up saying something like the data is still to come through and the full impact to be realised, but it appears the stimulus package might be a failure on some fronts.

    That is certainly different to what other opposition members are saying the what is being repeatedly stated by the RWDB media hacks. “The Rudd 10.4 billion dollar stimulus package is a failure”.

  284. Scaper
    # ever since I went off alcohol I’ve lost too much weight and I feel like a stick.

    My dog would like you.

  285. Joni all the best with your arm buddy.
    Whats it now, 6 weeks? did you break it?

  286. the video footage of the island dive and the shark behaviour. I had it sent off for authenticity and second opinion. The sharks are displaying a 95% behaviour change that is puzzling and can not be narrowed down to one cause but 38 different possibilities only 6 of those are really worth looking at and those dont fit to the changes.

    I can now say with 100% certainty that sharks are now a real danger to anything that enters the water only in warmer waters.

    Cooler water will dumb down the behaviour, Adrain you hit the nail on the head with your comment that day.

    wish i was exaggerating

  287. Who really wrote “Kevin Rudd’s” >a href=”http://www.themonthly.com.au/tm/node/1417″>8000 words denouncing capitalism? Was it Rudd “assisted with comments and contributions” by staff, advisers and others with “a common interest in the ideological origins of the current crisis”?

    Or were there “a multitude of distinct authorial presences, no two of which, you’d think, could comfortably inhabit the same body “, as David Burchell suggests?

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24992899-7583,00.html

  288. Rudd essay (preview version):

    http://www.themonthly.com.au/tm/node/1417

  289. Woohoo!!!! My shoulder is coming alone great, sling now retired and I can start physio and stationary bike at the gym…. joni happy.

    Aqua – it was a SLAP tear and needed I got screwed in the bicep to fix it.

    And continuing apologies for the lack of new threads, still on this silly work stuff that is interferring with my bloglife.

  290. (psst..an aside) It was caused by too much acrobatic sex.

    Sincerely, am so pleased that the shoulder is coming along so quickly.

  291. I wish Min, I wish.

  292. So this site will reach 200,000 at 3.07 on Wednesday.

    Congratulations joni & reb.

  293. (psst..an aside) It was caused by too much acrobatic sex. (Min).

    Something similar crossed my mind.

  294. Which Miglo probably means that it was..it’s just that joni isn’t owning up.

  295. Have you lot found my “live” site on the innertubes?

  296. Gee, rang the Salvos to give them our old fridge which is in good working order and the guy came to the door and said they can not take it due to two minute spots of surface rust.

    I’m sure if a person did not have a fridge they would not give a stuff as it would take five minutes to clean it up!

    I’ll put it on the footpath and it will be gone by tonight.

    My client gave me a carton of Crownies and a bottle of Bundy this morning…the guys are coming over this afternoon to clean all the alcohol out of the house as I won’t be needing it.

  297. “a carton of Crownies and a bottle of Bundy”

    24 bottles of catpiss & 700mls of Fightingjuice…didn’t your client like you?

    …I dunno how to do a “just joking” emoticon.

  298. Toiletbloke, on February 2nd, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    ‘scuse me mister, are you related to Toiletboss or Human Dividend of the Buffalo Lodge…I keep losing track… 😉

  299. Gravelly patch behind the laundry, the guys came over after work and cleaned me out…they left a sixpack in the fridge so they can have a beer when they get paid on Friday.

    They treat this place like their second home.

  300. TB…. he may be right, but I reckon it is inevitable that Turnbull will NOT be the Liberal leader at the next federal election.

  301. TB, I wish you would warn people when posting comedy links!

    It will be interesting to read the PM’s manifesto I reckon…’Mien Dingo’s Breakfast’, can’t wait to see the movie.

  302. Excellent TB: Quote: Mr Turnbull regurtitated a long list of Coalition plans to attack the economy including wide-ranging tax cuts.

    Typo intended.

  303. Joni, then who else will be leader then?

    There are only two that would be barely up to the task…but I’m biased!

  304. Mr Turnbull reiterated a long list of Coalition plans to attack the economy including wide-ranging tax cuts.

    Long List of Plans;

    1. Tax Cuts
    2. Across the board Tax Cuts
    3. Tax Cuts across the board
    4. Tax Cuts on the board
    5. Tax Cuts under the board walk (sung out loud of course)
    6. Targeted Tax Cuts, at the board
    7. Rolled out Tax Cuts across the board
    8. Low income Tax Cuts, after high income Tax Cuts
    9. Narrowly targeted Tax Cuts across the board
    10. Widely targeted Tax Cuts
    11. Tax Cuts for renters in Vaucluse
    12. Tax Cuts for boards
    13. Cross boards Tax Cuts
    14. Middle Class Tax Cuts
    15. Board board Tax Cuts
    16. Board board board Tax Cuts
    17. Tax Cuts for those bored of Tax Cuts
    18. 100% Tax Cuts for opposition members across the board
    19. 200% Tax Cuts to contributors to the Liberal Party
    20. Cross cut board Tax Cuts

  305. Adrian.

    The RWDB’s manning the parapets in the US are running specifically the same list of 20 “failsafe” ways to boost taxcuts for (the rich) all deserving citizens.

  306. Well said Adrian.

    In my opinion Turnbull made his run far too early. And no it isn’t going to be (too cute by half) Chris Pyne.

    Picking up on board and the board and the board and the walk..it just has to be..

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=zV6WgRAN9FU

  307. Very droll Adrian. If that list was your own work, well done.

    (If not, how about a link?)

  308. I think I detect an error in Adrien’s list of plans – Shouldn’t each mention of ‘board’ be followed by the words “of directors’?

  309. Drat, I posted something clever and it has disappeared. Instead via Adrian re board, board and board it just had to be: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=zV6WgRAN9FU

  310. And a 3rd try as everything I have sent is going walkies. Just a play on words re Adrian’s input re board, board, board. http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=zV6WgRAN9FU And this is my last try.

  311. Now we are advised to eat less red meat to save the environment!

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24998143-12377,00.html

    This whole thing is becoming insaner as every day passes…I will eat what I want, whenever I want and the new age idiots can go and get FLUCKED!

  312. I heard today some pollie wants fat kids taken from there parents. lol

    What a knob of a statement.

  313. i recounted a moment in a hypnosis session that was bizzar. I am suppose to be scared of water(pools).
    when i was about 9 at school they told me to hang on to a hoola hoop with rope tied to it and made me jump into the deep end and i let go while under water. I didnt even understand what i was to do. when they got me out i cried my own little pool and wondered why they did that to me.

    so, how was everyone elses monday. Joni, you still working?

  314. Got up, went to work and by ten decided to go home due to the fact I couldn’t be bothered!

    I’ll try again tomorrow.

  315. Oh yeah…scapette rode her bike to school for the first time…I remember my first time, it was a milestone on my road to freedom!

  316. i polished my rod for the first time in a long time. getting the saltwater build up of was agony but i soon got the gloss back up. seems every 20 yrs is a good maintenace, even after all this time i can bend it any which way and it wont break. dont make em like they use to.

  317. “i polished my rod for the first time in a long time. ” (Aquanut).

    Be careful, it can lead to prostate cancer.

  318. Aquanut, Jedda is in fits after reading your post and applying my logic.

  319. I could see that coming!

  320. “There should always be more good regulation and less bad regulation” Mr Turnbull said..

    Is Talcum trying to outdo George Bush on “who can say the dumbest thing?”

  321. Tony of South Yarra, on February 2nd, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    My work and I had a lot more board/bored reference popping into my head but was getting bored of typing a list of boards (+other tax things).

    Huh. The directors bit was implicit, to me anyway.

  322. ‘sup reb, you AWOL apparatchik?

    Holz r going well?

    …Cause my candle burns at both ends.
    My problems never seem to end.
    Just like my footsteps in the vein of the American night.
    Just like the burning in my lungs.
    Just like the rocks in my guts.
    Just like I can’t get enough.

    With persistence of my vision.
    With this bottle in my hand.
    I bless the thieves who stole my masks.
    I wander this land and through it all…

    I drag my chains, they don’t drag me…
    through moments of pain.
    I drag my chains, they don’t drag me…
    through moments of grace.
    I drag my chains, they don’t drag me…
    through untamed thoughts.
    I drag my chains, they don’t drag me.
    I walk right through. …

    I’m sure you understand.

  323. Toilet Master,

    Yes, holidays are going well thanks. Bought a very convincing Bulgari watch from the night market last night, and was assured by the stall holder that it was a “genuine imitation” – not like all those other fake imitations sold at all the other stalls.

    Just having an iced tea by the pool before heading off to dinner.

  324. Just having an iced tea by the pool before heading off to dinner. sreb, on February 2nd, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    …and a nice Shiraz or two?

    BTW – who’s Toilet Master? Is s/he realted to ToiletBloke or Toilet Boss or Human Dividend of the Buffalo Lodge or is it a family of Blogocrats – or sumfin’? Very confusin’…

    sreb, hope your having a good time, wish you were here… 😆

    ——————————————-

    Adrian, love yer work, sir! 😉

  325. Soz TB, my cookies (mmm) got deleted so I had to reenter my nom de plume.

    will be boss again by the 3rd.

  326. Miglo, Jedda
    Cheers, a comment like that makes me happy that someone laughed. I try hard to be funny but my stupid stands out more… damn it wheres my box of chocolates.

  327. scaper you been talking to the government?

    A large part of the next stimulus is for making 2.7 million homes greener, and the reason they are doing this is basically much the same as you have been harping on about here. (insert Twilight Zone theme music here)

    I also note the opposition have mostly changed tact (in reaction to the negative reactions they were garnering) and are begrudgingly supporting the government initiatives but added the same crap on “the quality of the spending” they did before the last stimulus.

  328. Adrian of Nowra, on February 3rd, 2009 at 7:41 am

    How long has this been mooted!

    Each home should have a water tank ($1500 – 5000lt), solar hot water system ($3000 – 300lt) and solar power ($10000 – 1Kw)…

    2.7 million x $14500. My trusty scientific calculator reads 3.915 to the power 10 – that’s a lot of naughts! Disclaimer: Numbers are not my thing, don’t know how many billion that is – but I’m sure someone here does!!

    Much better than tax cuts though!

    PS Adrian, not be a smartarse but the term is “change tack” as in yachts (thought an old sea salt would know that… 😀 )

  329. Funny.

    Water tanks were standard when I was young. Then they were outlawed by many councils as a health hazard even though hardly anyone got sick form drinking rain water.

    Now they are going to be mandatory, I certainly hope they sack the councillors or politicians who banned them in the first place as having no thought in the driest continent on earth.

  330. Legion, on February 3rd, 2009 at 1:21 am

    Hope you watched The Guru last night Legion – he would run rings around Peter custard – as for Julie Bishop 😯 Glad PJK is advising our government…

  331. TB Queensland, on February 3rd, 2009 at 10:10 am

    Missed him, alas, TB. And can’t dispute your observations.

    Keating seemed to think …“The Australian deficit would be “a sideshow” to the world scene.”

    Apparently, I can’t bring myself to be as excited about what type of fuel injection the Ferrari engine should have for best operation in the domestic chicanes, when the real action is the World 1000 coming up on April 2nd’s next G-20 Convention. Expect fireworks as an opener; I do.

    Elsewhere among his reported commentary…

    The US budget could not restore the world economy. Indeed, there could be a serious question of a default by the US Treasury if the crisis went on, Mr Keating told the ABC’s Lateline.

    The Americans had been playing “tricky poo” with the surplus countries. The Chinese were not about to deliver themselves “into the hands of the IMF”. Confidence would only return when a more representative world political and financial power structure was in place.

    Have they? Tricky poo? I wonder if Paul’s run the back-of-the-envelope numbers on how the US risk of sovereign default, for say the mid-2020s onwards, looked even before the crisis and now again that their big plan of betting-the-farm-and-then-some desperation, and more than tacit consent for the naughty, greedy canyon-top cave-dwellers of Wall Street to inflate the US economy out of debt’s way via indirect seigneurage and 30:1 shadow banking leverage schemes at a slight premium, has gone bust (shhh we got our regulations slightly wrong and didn’t appreciate the intermeddled risks…let’s all just agree that America is ready to lead again and to present a package of minor institutional reforms to save America, err the world, and move on from this silly bickering and blame-casting, cooperative global citizens…and focus, focus, focus on the temporary crisis, not the cliff-edge up ahead without any guard rails beyond ‘hope’, a renewed emphasis on the bedazzling magic of technology as a panacaea and game-changer, and the suffixing of a ‘security’ tag onto the ends of any commodified nouns that might be an American interest).

    The big challenge was how to get the banks lending — the biggest problem was the lack of availability of debt for infrastructure companies, he said, suggesting the Government could help “package up” debt for infrastructure.

    I was wondering how that might work; it seemed a minor flaw in Fred Argy’s piece, given the effective market interest rate for extending credit/acquiring debt seems paradoxically to approach infinity when nobody is lending and nobody is borrowing for productivity investment, even as the nominal central bank interest rates approach (sub-) zero in a ZIRP-y shock environment of perfect anti-information and perfect anti-competition…Thanks, Guru. Still, it leaves the government ‘agency’ crowding-in private sector activity into finite, command channels without saying much about what will happen to other pre-existing, really real economy, private sector infrastructures necessarily left disintegrating as an opportunity cost outside that core programme of ‘social capitalism’.

    Anyways, methinks that ‘egalitarian economists like Joe Stiglitz have more than enough to say about prosperity with integrity on a global scale, and also the w(h)itheringness of social(capital)ism taken too far for too long, and its effects on that thing called development in a commonwealth where the GINI coefficient was well and truly out of the bottle.

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