Peter Costello and Friends and Family in Christ

Fellow blogocrat Adrian of Nowra, has drawn our attention to this recent speech by Liberal backbencher Peter Costello.  

“Good morning to everybody that is meeting together in the Melbourne Town Hall on this Australia day.  I can’t think of a more important thing to be doing than to Unite in Prayer on this, our National day for our nation.  And I bring you special greetings to each and every one of you that is there today and is praying for our nation standing in prayer on its behalf for it and for all of our people.

Many Australians don’t know that shortly after the 1st Australia day January the 26th, the first sermon was ever preached on Australian soil by the chaplain that came out with the first fleet. The chaplain took as his text a verse from the Psalms, and he preached a sermon on these words.  “What shall I render to the lord for all his benefits to me?”  Course the benefits that he was preaching about was the coming of the First fleet to Australia, the landing and the establishment of the new country. 

As we look back over hundreds of years of Australian history, we can still see the benefits of God to us in this country. A wonderful country, wonderful people that’s given a home to those that have come from all over the world, a country that has had a peaceful history and a prosperous history, a country that is now respected around the world.  Of course the following verse of that psalm goes on to say, “what shall I render to the Lord for all of his benefits to me” goes on to say “I will take the cup of salvation and call upon the name of the Lord.” 

And of course, what greater gift is there than the gift that God has given us in Jesus Christ. The cup of salvation, and what more can we do than to take hold of it and call upon the name of the Lord, which is what you are doing today in the Melbourne Town Hall.

One of the things that has been absolutely central to the development of Australia and the foundation of our society is that Biblical heritage, the heritage that we have through the Scriptures, and through the Ten Commandments, respect for our Maker, respect for our fellow citizens, respect for property, respect for the laws that God has laid down. 

That’s been the foundation of our society. It’s been the basis of our peaceful tolerance of each other and of order. It has been the basis of creating opportunity for so many Australian’s. If we forget that tradition, if we walk away from those God given commandments, then we as a society will be threatened with the breakdown of that order, will be threatened with losing our heritage and loosing opportunity. 

So I want to say to you, those that are praying for Australia today, to pray that this nation will always remember its foundations, and always be true to them, and always live according to those laws.
 
There are many people today that are telling us that religion is all a lot of superstition, that the laws that have been laid down, of respect for individuals, property and for our creator are all a load of nonsense, that don’t respect life. 

If we fall for that trap, if Australia falls for that trap then the very basis of our society and its order will be threatened. That’s why we need Christian people to pray for our country, we will never understand the way in which God moves.  But we know that if his people pray, he will hear that they will be a light to the nation and the nation will be covered and protected by Godly people who are giving direction and standing for it in prayer. And I thank you for what you are doing today and can I encourage you to continue in it.

May God bless you and may God bless our country in this year 2009.”

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102 Responses

  1. Faster than a speeding bullet.

  2. Hang on there Pete. Why would we need to pray when we have politicians?

  3. Well you see this is where the whole thing falls down and proves it’s nothing more than mysticism;

    …we will never understand the way in which God moves. But we know that if his people pray, he will hear that they will be a light to the nation and the nation will be covered and protected by Godly people who are giving direction and standing for it in prayer.

    So he states that noone will understand the way in which God moves, first he should tell the thousands of evangelists and other Christian leaders who profess to do exactly that, understand the way in which God moves.

    Then he goes on to say with exact certainty that we do know that God will absolutely hear the prayers of “his” people and because of that the nation will be predicted.

    In one paragraph he encapsulates all that is absolute bunkum with religion, and it was this type of mumbo jumbo thinking that led us into the folly of Iraq as Howard came out of church and said we were going to fight a “just” war.

    Rudd is also deeply religious but so far has not shown any of this nut job side of his belief yet and I hope it stays that way. I don’t care if he saves the nation from ruin during this crisis, if he starts coming out with guff like that above he has lost my vote for good. As bad as the NSW government was there was noway I could vote for Debnam and the Libs at the time as it was these same religious nut jobs who had taken over the party and could never be allowed anywhere near power. The people of NSW realised this as well.

    There should only ever be one rule world wide, religion and politics should never mix.

  4. Actually Stephan, the only thing that makes me want to pray is BECAUSE we have politicians.

  5. That’s nation will be “protected”, not “predicted”. Though I guess Pete has divine insight so can predict the nation.

  6. “There should only ever be one rule world wide, religion and politics should never mix.”

    A good rule.

  7. It’s common knowledge here that Peter Costello was the evil right-hand man of the diabolical John Howard, and second-in-charge but never leader of that totally discredited and void-of-all-worthwhile-achievements regime, the four-term Liberal Government. Therefore, anything he says or does will see buckets of scorn ‘tipped’ on him from the Blogocrats balcony.

    Personally, I have no problem with the man, or the speech he gave to the Catch the Fire congregation. The fact that his brother Tim is a preacher is a clue that he comes from a religious family, so such a speech should not come as a great surprise.

    Whether religion in general, or Christianity in particular, is a worthwhile philosophy is another matter, but one which will no doubt be touched on in this thread.

  8. Please! You must understand that God is all powerful. That ‘HE’ (almost exclusively the masculine pronoun) not only has a grand plan for the World but detailed plans for each individual as well. Simply puppets on a string.

    Accordingly, why pray to end drought when HE caused the drought in the first place? Why pray to cure sickness when HE caused same? Unless of course, HE is a very sick individual who has a very, very poor self-concept who constantly needs praise from those HE created.

    Unbelievable! Except of course by those who operate on the basis of ‘faith’.

  9. Actually Tony of South Yarra, it was his ascertion that we are where we are because of ‘Gods laws that really got my goat up.

    We are where we are because we follow laws of common decency. Many are based on the ten commandments, many are not.

    a country that has had a peaceful history

    I am guessing he forgot about invading a sovereign nation (In the NAME OF GOD)

    a country that is now respected around the world

    Except of course by those HEATHEN Iraqis we were so happy to be shootin’

    Sorry, but religion should keep its place, in peoples hearts, not in telling me how I got where I am, cos, I know how I got where I am, and that is in spite of religion, not because of it.

  10. “There should only ever be one rule world wide, religion and politics should never mix.
    Adrian of Nowra, on January 29th, 2009 at 9:09 pm Said:”

    Hay Adrian- just to be a little difficult i found this at the beginning of our constitution

    “WHEREAS the people of New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia,
    Queensland, and Tasmania, humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God,
    have agreed to unite in one indissoluble Federal Commonwealth under the
    Crown of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, and under the
    Constitution hereby established: ”

    As we all know the Americans claim to be religious and in fact you cannot be elected an American President if you do not claim to be a Christian. However there is no reference to God in the US Constitution. It is a completely secular document. No religious references at all. But we have a reference in ours.

    I find that really strange.

  11. Sorry, but religion should keep its place, in peoples hearts, not in telling me how I got where I am, cos, I know how I got where I am, and that is in spite of religion, not because of it.

    Tom, I don’t believe he was telling you anything. Sure, the video’s publicly available on youTube now, but this was recorded as an address to a religious group, in terms they would easily understand.

  12. Sorry TOSY, but he is a public speaker, speaking at a public venue, and generalising about how we got here.

    He is wrong!

  13. He is wrong!

    😆

    http://www.xkcd.com/386/

  14. It’s a pity that jelly belly didn’t live the Gospel values when he had the power to do so. Talk is cheap TIP. Reading and living the mission of Jesus certainly doesnt include screwing the poor to promote the wealth of the rich, it doesn’t include screwing the ordinary worker at the alter of serfchoices, it doesn’t include stewing and saying nothing when you have a despot leader out of control. Words are empty Costello, try living the values you are espousing.

  15. Tony of South Yarra, on January 29th, 2009 at 10:14 pm Said:

    Touche lol

  16. and a feeble riposte

    🙂

  17. “Reading and living the mission of Jesus certainly doesnt include screwing the poor to promote the wealth of the rich, it doesn’t include screwing the ordinary worker at the alter of serfchoices,
    dave, on January 29th, 2009 at 10:18 pm Said:”

    Where i worked Serfchoices offered me $1,500/year extra in income. I must admit i was very suspicious. An extra $1,500/year for nothing in return.

    The fact is Workchoices was not in long enough for any analysis to whether it was good or bad. You may be correct- it could have been bad policy but Australians were suspicious and voted against it.

    There is no evidence that it was bad policy. there is no evidence that Unfair Work Australia is any better.

    Furthermore the poor unemployed had a better chance of getting a job than when Keating was in power. Unemployment at 4%- give me them figures any day

  18. Peter must have picked up one of his brother Tim’s sermons by mistake.

    ‘Liberal backbencher Peter Costello’ – say it again, I love hearing that!

    Neil of Sydney,
    However there is no reference to God in the US Constitution. It is a completely secular document. No religious references at all. But we have a reference in ours.

    I find that really strange.

    I find it really offensive.

  19. “I find it really offensive.
    kittylitter, on January 29th, 2009 at 11:59 pm Said:”

    Kittypoo- please explain??? What do you find offensive.??? That our ancestors made a reference to God in our Constitution??? I do find it strange since we don’t claim to be religious but we made a religious reference in our Constitution.

    However the Americans who do claim to be religious did not make any reference to a divine being in their Constitution.

    Furthermore I still think even at the level of local govt they still open the sessions with the Lords Prayer. i think Federal parliament does this also. i could not imagine the Americans opening congress with the lords Prayer.

  20. So he’s a religious crank too. Along with being an Industrial Relation extremist, a hater of workers’ unions, and one of the laziest (and most gutless) politicians around. A real class act … not.

    Here’s an interesting 5-page read from the Rationalist Society of Australia. (.pdf document)

    Peter Costello and the undeserving poor
    http://www.rationalist.com.au/archive/77/p2-7_AR77_web.pdf

  21. Dave wrote:

    living the mission of Jesus certainly doesnt include screwing the poor to promote the wealth of the rich, it doesn’t include screwing the ordinary worker at the alter of serfchoices

    The Bible does, in one or two places, does say you should treat your slaves kindly.

    Perhaps that’s as far as Jelly Belly is wont to take it: Slavery is fine, I don’t believe there are Biblical admonishments against it. It’s how you treat your slaves that’s important.

  22. “A real class act … not.
    Caney, on January 30th, 2009 at 12:23 am Said:”

    Hay Caney- I see your hero paul keating is back and is giving advice to prime Minister SuperDudd. What has your hero got in store for us this time???

    Keating created the highest unemployment rate since the great depression (11%). What is his plan this time- perhaps 20% unemployment is a place to aim for???

    Budget deficit- $11 billion dollars. Heck that is easy. Let us see if we can produce a $40 billion dollars budget deficit. it is what the ALP does. Produce debt and unemployment.

    As for Unfair Work Australia- I think people regard it as a joke

  23. You’ve just gotta love it when a spineless hypocrite like Tip uses the word tolerance.
    Some research (albeit selective, to a point) on (tolerance’) shows thus:

    tolerance – the capacity for or the practice of recognsing and respecting the beliefs or practices of others

    the capacity to endure hardship or pain

    the ability of an organism to resist or survive infection by a parasitic or pathogenic organism

    ‘that’s why we need Christian people to pray for our country’ – Tip

  24. Hey Neil

    Industrial Relations extremist
    Hater of workers’ unions
    Religious crank
    One of the laziest (and most gutless) politicians in the country. As I said, a real class act … not.

    And while Liberals are, as ever, trying to find economic excuses for piggish people, some more milestones under the Class Costello:

    Second highest-interest rates in the developed world

    Ten interest rate rises in a row

    Highest inflation in 16 years

    Record Current Account deficit

    World’s ourth highest CAD in dollar terms (behind mammoth economies such as US,

    The longest run of monthly trade shortfalls ever recorded (during peak of mining boom)

    Record household, business and foreign debt – among the highest per capita in the world

    Highest bankruptcy levels in 20 years

    On unemployment: Remember that Costalotello brought Australia the highest rate of workforce casualisation of any advanced economy (2005). With that naturally comes record job insecurity and underemployment.

  25. “Industrial Relations extremist”

    Hey Caney- what is an extremist??? From what i have seen an extremist is someone who does not agree with your opinions

  26. Hey Caney- what is an extremist???

    Don’t you have a dictionary or a functional sense of vocabulary? Can’t google a word?

    Extremism is a term used to describe the actions or ideologies of individuals or groups outside the perceived political center of a society; or otherwise claimed to violate common moral standards.

    That would define Costello and the Liberal Party on Industrial Relations.

  27. “outside the perceived political center of a society”
    Caney, on January 30th, 2009 at 1:01 am Said:

    hay caney- please tell me what the hell is the center??? i am old enough to remember that for a labor party member- selling off the Commonwealth Bank was a shooting offense. But labor sold the Peoples Bank. The old ALP members would not believe you if you told them.

    We were paid $1,500/years more with AWA’s where I work under Workchoices. I do not call this extremism.

    I do call extreme 11% unemployment under Keating.

    I think you call something extreme you do not understand.

  28. hay caney- please tell me what the hell is the center???

    You’ve already imposed on me for a definition that you could have easily found yourself. I’m not here at your beck and call. There will be no slavery around blogocrats (or Australia), thank you very much, Liberal Party fanatics notwithstanding.

    Either find your own answers to your questions, find someone who’s willing to give you the time, or stay in Liberal ignorance. I couldn’t care less, OK.

    PS: Neither do I care not that you allege you were better off under SerfChoices. Just as you probably don’t give a stuff about those who lost out (by Liberal design) under SerfChoices.

    For all I know you could be lying anyway. You have often been rudely quick to accuse people here of lies and systemic dishonesty, so I will reserve the right to hold your claims in that suspicion likewise.

  29. “Just as you probably don’t give a stuff about those who lost out (by Liberal design) under SerfChoices.
    Caney, on January 30th, 2009 at 1:28 am Said:”

    I would care about people who lost out under Workchoices. i just don’t think it was in long enough to make a decision.

    Furthermore I don’t think you care whether Workchoices was good or bad for Australia. It was just something to bash Howard over the head with. If some mud stuck well that would be nice.

    As for Costello being lazy-how would you know. Do you spend time following him around or are you telling lies. Someone who pays off all the Federal debt created by Keating is not lazy. In fact i would never say any politician is lazy. They may be stupid or dishonest but i don’t think i know of a lazy politician on any side of politics.

    i think you are telling lies.

  30. While on the subject of Costello (though you’d never know it by Neil’s many distractions), I couldn’t let this red herring go by unanswered:

    I see your hero paul keating is back and is giving advice to prime Minister SuperDudd. What has your hero got in store for us this time???

    All I can say is, thank goodness he does not have a loser like Costello advising him. Here’s a pity quote from Ross Gittins about the Liberals’ man of quiche:

    “… he couldn’t hold down a job as a teacher of high school economics. Ask him how fiscal policy works and he confidently gives you the wrong answer”

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/Ross-Gittins/Will-Costellos-budget-force-Reserves-hand/2005/05/13/1115843370320.html

  31. “Here’s a pity quote from Ross Gittins about the Liberals’ man of quiche:”
    Caney, on January 30th, 2009 at 1:43 am Said:

    And please tell me what has Ross Gittins actually achieved in his life other than give his opinion about various issues??? Has he run a business?? Has he employed people???

    When Costello was in power unemployment went from 8% to 4%. Give me a so-called loser any day over a man like Keating who only created debt and unemployment.

    It took years to pay off Federal govt debt and we voted back into power the poeple who can only create debt and unemployment

  32. As for Costello being lazy-how would you know. … i think you are telling lies.

    Thank you very much NEIL. I’ll take that (from a Liberal) as a compliment. Coming from someone whose hero is known – by Liberals as well as others – as the Lying Rodent, that would be an accusation of high Liberal honour, wouldn’t it? .. (Or should that be Lieberal? Fiberal??)

    Don’t you remember the man you love to hate, Mr Keating, who described him as:

    “the laziest, most indolent, unimaginative treasurer in our post-war history”

    It’s also the Herald-Sun:

    Peter Costello has become the invisible man of federal politics.

    The former treasurer, moonlighting this week as a World Bank adviser, will have been absent for 13 sitting days when Parliament rises tomorrow.

    He has also failed to make a parliamentary speech, ask a question of a minister, or serve on a committee since finding himself in Opposition.

    His only contributions to the parliamentary debate were nine interjections from the back bench, picked up by Hansard reporters.

    Despite claiming his heart is still in the job, the one-time Liberal leadership aspirant has done little this year other than write his memoirs.

    […]

    Mr Costello has taken more days off from Parliament this year than almost every other MP, including Prime Minister Kevin “747” Rudd and globe-trotting Trade Minister Simon Crean.

    He is only beaten by Foreign Affairs Minister Stephen Smith, Liberal MP Joanna Gash – who is seconded to the United Nations – and several MPs who’ve had babies or illnesses.

    […]

    But even when in the House, the nation’s longest-serving treasurer rarely contributes these days.

    […]

    According to Hansard, Mr Costello asked only two questions in 2008, both of Speaker Harry Jenkins, making trivial political points.

    http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24742899-662,00.html

    From the other side of the newspaper stable coin, it’s also the Sydney Morning Herald, 3 August 2008:

    some of Costello’s colleagues were never impressed with his work ethic

    […]

    The former treasurer adroitly wove a story that his work output was up there with the diligent John Howard, slaving over treasury books with abacus and sharpened pencil 24/7. Nonsense.

    He did what he had to, no more or less. You couldn’t blast the bloke out of Melbourne: trips overseas were a novelty endured as infrequently as possible. And one reason he never generated enough momentum to snatch the leadership from Howard was he didn’t work the back bench.

    […]

    Some MPs were left wondering at the bruising week’s end whether they truly wanted as their leader a bloke who opted to lie under a Fijian palm tree rather than turn up to last week’s party room meeting, the most important this year.

    There are other references in the media to his poor work ethic, maybe you could look them up, though doing so might inform you, so maybe not.

    It does reveal something ugly about the “You Work We Choose” ethos of the born-to-rule Libera,l who, notoriously lazy himself, is passionate about harsh draconian work laws and pay cuts for others.

  33. When Costello was in power unemployment went from 8% to 4%

    Many advanced economies around the world had generationally-low levels of unemployment in recent years. Australia is not unique, unless you’re saying that Costello “managed the economies” of the western world?

    Where Australia did differ though was in casualisation. Costalotello brought Australia the highest rate of workforce casualisation of any advanced economy (2005). With that naturally comes record job insecurity and underemployment. I’ll credit Costello for that one.

  34. “There are other references in the media to his poor work ethic, maybe you could look them up, though doing so might inform you, so maybe not.
    Caney, on January 30th, 2009 at 2:01 am Said:”

    Most of your references are about his current work. He is a back bencher. His job is to represent his constituents. He is not on the front bench and therefore would not ask as many questions as someone on the front bench. I am sure he is very busy looking after the people in his electorate. How many questions has your local member asked????

    Perhaps you could give me some relevant information that this is not true.

    In case you do not know you current hero Prime Minister SuperDudd ran his own consulting business while a backbencher in opposition making many thousands of dollars in extra money and missed many days of parliament but since Showponey is your hero you do not care.

  35. And please tell me what has Ross Gittins actually achieved in his life other than give his opinion about various issues??? Has he run a business?? Has he employed people???

    More questions. Gees, you’re wilfully ignorant I reckon.

    Ross Gittins (recently retired I believe) was for 30 years economic editor of his newspaper. That’s a long time to have spent observing, analysing and writing about economics and treasurers. I will give more credence to his informed opinions than I would a belligerent and likely dishonest Liberal crank such as yourself who seems unable to move on from the era of a Prime Minister (Keating) of last century.

    But, while you’ve raised the topic of experience, here’s what another commentator, Jason Koutsoukis, said of Costello in The Age, 6 May 2007 :

    … Costello keeps bragging about is his stewardship of the Australian economy, declaring that Rudd has no place putting his hand up to run what is now a $1 trillion show.

    What was Costello’s economic experience before he entered Parliament? Zero.

    Formal economic training? Zilch. Ever run a business? No. Has a department full of economic gurus behind him, all at his beck and call? Yes.

    This has hardly been the forging of an Australian lion.

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/a-masters-stroke/2007/05/05/1177788462755.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

  36. “Ross Gittins (recently retired I believe) was for 30 years economic editor of his newspaper. That’s a long time to have spent observing, analysing and writing about economics and treasurers.
    Caney, on January 30th, 2009 at 2:21 am Said:”

    So what. Has he done anything useful with his life other than give his opinions. Do you want me to show you some of the predictions of some of the so-called economics experts in recent times???

    A monkey could make a better predicition than some economics experts. What was the name of the previous US guy who was in charge of the US treasury???

    “likely dishonest Liberal crank”

    I notice you didn’t come right out and say it but I would be really interested to find out where i have been dishonest.

  37. Peter Costello: empty vessels make the most sound:

    “What Costello definitely was, however, was Treasurer for the entirety of the Howard era, and accordingly widely disliked by the electorate. Remember the Howard-Rudd debate? When Howard talked about his fantastic and experienced team, and mentioned Costello, the worm went down like it had been shot. That about summed up Australians’ view of Costello,…”

  38. I wasn’t referring to Gittins’ predictions, but his description, based on previous observation, of Costello.

    I recall an article he wrote to mark his 30-year milestone. In it he did a thumbnail sketch of those 30 years in Australian economic developments and influences. He talked about Howard’s recession of the early 1980s (the worst since the Great Depression). He talked about the long list of reforms put in place by Hawke-Keating. He also talked about the rise of Asia and its incalculable stimulus on Australia’s economic growth.

    But you know something? In all the article, there was not a word about the economic “team” of Howard-Costello. In fact, Costello’s name was not mentioned at all, not once.

    One might have thought that Australia’s longest-serving treasurer, someone the silly Liberals put on a pedestal as an economic demigod (or something), might have been considered worthy of even a tiny mention. Even a token dropping in of the name. But nothing.

    He’s a Mister Nobody. LOL. The world’s greatest hypothetical.

  39. ” He talked about Howard’s recession of the early 1980s (the worst since the Great Depression).”

    Actually it was a nasty recession lasting 2 years caused by the stupid US. Sound familar??? Also keating produced the record high unemployment

    “He talked about the long list of reforms put in place by Hawke-Keating. ”

    Well they were totally useless when Hawke/keating were in power. If these reforms were so good how come they didn’t stop unemployment reaching 11% in 1992?? Oh thats right they only started to work in 1996 and stopped working in 2007.

    “He also talked about the rise of Asia and its incalculable stimulus on Australia’s economic growth.”

    O.K. but we have always had these things. We used to ride on the sheeps back.

    “In all the article, there was not a word about the economic “team” of Howard-Costello”

    Good- all this shows is that Gittins is an idiot.

    And finally “I wasn’t referring to Gittins’ predictions, but his description, based on previous observation, of Costello.”

    Anybody can make an observation. it takes wisdom to make an accurate prediction.

  40. A monkey could make a better predicition than some economics experts. What was the name of the previous Australian guy who was the Australian treasurer???

    🙄

  41. ohoo ohoo ahaa ahaa(monkey language decoded:)

    Peter costello
    ——————-
    god it the subject from which people who have nothing left choose to talk about.

    Tony Abbott often talks about god then behind closed doors eats a baby or two.

    ———————-

    I heard T-boss goes to church and has found god 8)

  42. Aquanut

    Did anyone ever tell you you look like a camel? (wink)

  43. I admit i have some hairy features and i do spit.

    You just want to ride me, dont ya!

  44. Just don’t get the hump, aqua.

  45. Lol Joni, it always depends, if one hump or two.

    ——————-

    Nature,
    You did say well and that would hurt there belief unless they used the sinner excuse.

  46. There should only ever be one rule world wide, religion and politics should never mix.

    I’d tend to disagree, for reason that the social is always political. What I would agree to as a grundnorm, however, is that the State should have a political role which is insulated from religion in ensuring freedoms to and from religion(s), among a host of other basic freedoms. As I’ve said elsewhere, the object of a secular State, in my opinion, is to facilitate its citizenry partaking of the widest possible freedoms of choice and opportunities for expression according to the dictates of personal conscience; that is quite different from advocating for a secular society per se.

    It is at the level of the making of religious claims for and over others that I object, no matter what context is given for the doing that. To that extent, in that Pete is not happy just to witness for himself or among a particular private community of like spirit, he oversteps the mark, imho. And the ‘trap’ for Pete, if there is one, is forgetting that the liberal part of liberal democracy is not synonymous with an assertion of thin theocracy.

    And that’s all I have to say about that.

  47. Peter Costello said
    “One of the things that has been absolutely central to the development of Australia and the foundation of our society is that Biblical heritage, the heritage that we have through the Scriptures, and through the Ten Commandments, respect for our Maker, respect for our fellow citizens, respect for property, respect for the laws that God has laid down. ”

    Let me see, the Ten Commandments.

    1) Thou shalt not have any other idols or false gods.

    That wen’t out the window with the partys worship of money.

    2) Thou shalt not use the Lord’s name in vain.

    I would love $1 for every Liberal politician that used the Lord’s name in vain as there would be no recession for me.

    3) Thou shalt observe the Sabbath

    Well that died with the introduction of work choices and the ability for businesses to open 24 hours a day requiring people to work on the Sabbath or lose their job.

    4) Honour thy Father and thy Mother.

    If they did this we would not need every family has to need both parents working to survive while to top get mega wealthy.

    5) Thou shalt not kill.

    Out the window as we wen’t to war in Iraq without UN approval for the fake WMD and havs resulted in the loss of innocent lives.

    6) Thou shalt not commit adultery.

    They have F***ed up the place by skewing the wealth of the country to a very select portion of the population and permitted the disgraceful salary perks of the rich.

    7) Thou shall not steal.

    The legislated and stole the rights of EVERY worker in Australia through their disgraceful WorkChoices legislation and did it by stealth.

    8) Thou shall not bear false witness against your neighbour. ( This also forbids the misrepresentation of the truth and lying)

    Well that died with WMD and the Children Overboard, there are just far too many to select for Commandment No 8.

    9) Thou shall not covet thy neighbours wife.

    This one I give the benefit of the doubt as it seems hard to prove they took someones wife.

    10) Thou shalt not covet thy neighbours goods.

    A massive fail on this one. They have sold off and privatised all of the assets our forefathers built with their taxes and sold them to those rich enough to buy shares and allowed them to screw the population with higher prices, charges and interest rates. This was done without a referendum on the sale of those assets.

    So all in all the party gets a 1 out of 10 and thats if no one else can find something for Commandment 9.

    Amazing to see how the party, which claims to live by the Christian Religion, with high moral ground truly upholds the Tem Commandments.

    Its a wonder that God hasn’t struck them all down with lightning.

  48. Are you saying that religion is the social or part of the social? There can be social without religion, it is only that religion has made social their catch cry or in other words their raison d’être to justify their existence as more than just somewhere you go to pray and make your presence known to some invisible deity.

    Much of what religion alleges would collapse into anarchy and debauchery without their existence would continue on regardless, but like the scare of terrorism, the scare of anarchy without the existence of religion is just that, a scare.

  49. Reminds me I must also remind Tony Abbott ( he of such amazing faith) that he should refresh his memory of the 8 Beatitudes of Our Lord as he seems to have forgotten most of them in his quest for politics.

  50. Shane,

    What about:

    Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

    or,

    Judge not, lest ye be judged.

    😉

  51. By the way, Shane:

    Flemington tomorrow (should the meeting go ahead – it’s in some doubt because of the heat ):

    Race 7 The Vanity 3YO Fillies Group 3

    No 13 Reverberates, each-way (it is currently $8.50 on IAS Darwin).

  52. Tosy

    I did not throw the first stone, they threw the first stone by entering politics, and making decision which effects my life.

    If we did not judge the politicians what on earth would all the blog sites and media talk about. Not judging politicians would create a depression not a recession. I am also judging their political actions in government not their personal actions or private lives.

    Thanks for the tip mate lets hope she gives us a run for our money. Will let you know if I get any myself, I do sometimes.

  53. Shane, good post on their breaking of the Commandments. Hypocritical Sunday morning Christians I’d bet.

    Tony, careful when accusing others of casting the first stone. By definition such accusation is likely to be doing just that. (oops, have I cast a stone myself?)

  54. Shane

    5) Thou shalt not kill.

    Just popped in – about to go out again but I can’t let this pass by.

    Shane the commandment is actually – Thou shalt not murder – can make a difference when interpreting some “actions” by some people

  55. TB

    The 5th Commandment is interpreted differently by different religions.

    Here is the link.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments

    Being a catholic my interpretation is Thou shalt not Kill.

    If you wish to use the term murder then I still maintain that innocent civilians were murdered rather than killed as a result of our politicians actions, with of course absolutely no reflection on our armed forces.

  56. Interesting too Shane & TB, the ESV quote has a footnote:

    “20:13 The Hebrew word also covers causing human death through carelessness or negligence”

    http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Exodus+20%3A2-17#f3

    Different factions of this religion have argued about such things for millennia – don’t like what a particular passage says – just get another translator who says it as you want. Just ask any good JW.

  57. bacchus

    So true, your last sentence is what has caused so much misery and suffering through the centuries.

  58. First impression:

    “What shall I render to the lord for all his benefits to me?” And it’s all about me, me, me (only white/English ‘mes’ of course). And lo the sin of Ham shall be visited upon the black man.

    And Costello is quoting selectively. If he says that he is a Christian, what about Render Unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.. That is, JC recommended separation of Church and State. Plus surely for a Christian this is an over-rider from something from pre-Christian Psalms.

  59. Kittylitter,

    Let me say it again….

    Liberal Backbenchers Peter Costello AND Tony Abbott

    🙂

  60. “I would care about people who lost out under Workchoices.” (Neil).

    Thank you for caring about me Neil. You will be pleased to know that I am now $9k a year better off thanks to the scrapping of my AWA.

  61. “Liberal Backbenchers Peter Costello AND Tony Abbott”

    Even better is being able to say ‘Former PM John Howard” who lost his seat at the last election.

    Aaaaaaaaaaah, that feels good. 🙂

  62. “As for Costello being lazy-how would you know. Do you spend time following him around or are you telling lies. ” (Neil).

    You’ve called me a pervert more than once. How would you know? Do you spend time following me around or were you telling lies?

  63. And hasn’t Ruddock been quiet….(thankfully)…

  64. Hi Min

    Was wondering where you were and going to start asking the guys if you didn’t pop up before I finish early today. Finishing in 15 mins so everyone have a wonderful weekend. I may be online at home this weekend as I now have wireless internet at home rather than dial up , yee haa 🙂

  65. Hi Min,

    Rumour has it that Philip “the living dead” Ruddock is leaving politics to take up the role of Davros in the next series of Doctor Who.

    (no makeup required)

  66. Hello Shane..was finally able to get out of the house as J’s mate picked him up for work this morning. And so I was able to ‘borrow’ back my geriatric Nissan for a couple of hours. Stilllll waiting for the ye olde Ford to come back from the mechanics re that rort called a Pink Slip.

    Likewise, hope that you have a wonderful weekend.

  67. Reb, nothing would surprise me given that Costello via the latest is obviously aiming at a position within the Catch The Fire organisation. Poor bloke, obviously not wanted for his ‘skills’ re economic creditials, so has to aim for a church position.

  68. The intolerance expressed in this blog for the beliefs and practices of others is absolutely mindblowing especially when viewed alongside the equality and understanding sought in other topics for other belief systems and practices which are equally or more bereft of logic. Let me see who I can eliminate from public office were I to apply my own thought processes to what I see as the shortcomings of other people’s beliefs.

    Christians one and all…….it’s not so much the traditional things here, but this concept of guilt for “original sin”. They’ve gotta be mad. Out.
    Aboriginals…….Dreamtime?? WTF is that? Out!
    Muslims……the list is endless. Out!
    Gays……who would want to do that???? They must be sick!!! Out!!!
    Women………come on, does anyone here really understand how a woman’s mind works? Seriously? They talk about feelings and stuff. Out!!
    Artists……..I just don’t get it. And they’re probably gay too. Out!!
    Jews……have you seen the way they dress all in black on these 40 degree days? And they keep to themselves. They’re up to something. Out!!
    Queenslanders…..they’re weird, probably because of the heat. Out!!
    Atheists…….Well we can’t take the risk of an atheist being in power after what happened in Cambodia! Out!!
    Greenies….well some of them are gay and some of them are atheists. Plus I don’t buy this Global Warming shit. Out!!!
    Unionists……lazy, good for nothing obstacles to doing good business! Out!!
    Employers……Bunch of bloody rip-off merchants, all put profit before the social wellbeing of their staff and customers. Out.
    Teachers…….I blame them for messing with my head and stuff. If it wasn’t for them I’d rule the world by now, and they made me stay back after class all the time. Out!!
    Sportsmen and women…….too stupid! Out.
    Which leaves me and Dad. Dad is too old so I guess it’s up to me to rule the world really isn’t it? Oh, except for one thing.

    I believe that all people are different in their own ways and are entitled to live and express themselves in their own ways despite my personal little prejudices. Those religious “nut jobs”……what’s their crime really? It’s seeking to influence others to their way of thinking. Well woe betide any participant to this blog!

    I cannot recall, in 11 years of power, Peter Costello ever applying religious thought or reasoning to his political decisions. Indeed, as others have gleefully pointed out, his application of the separation of religious belief and political practice has in many cases bordered on hypocrisy!

    So is this merely a case of finding an excuse to sink the boots into Peter Costello because of his politics, or is it more about reinforcing that all are created equal, except those that are more equal than others?

  69. ” is this merely a case of finding an excuse to sink the boots into Peter Costello because of his politics, or is it more about reinforcing that all are created equal, except those that are more equal than others?”

    Probably. I think.

  70. To James of North Melbourne,

    You said last week that you will be studying law. I think you’ll make a good lawyer.

    And I don’t say that as a compliment.

    Better start preparing your defense.

  71. As a Christian, artist, greenie, unionist teacher I have no problems with sinking the boot into Costello.

  72. Peter Costello:

    “what greater gift is there than the gift that God has given us in Jesus Christ. The cup of salvation, and what more can we do than to take hold of it and call upon the name of the Lord”

    James,

    It seems that God left me off the gift list for “the cup of salvation”.

    Do you think I’d be able to get one on ebay, or would you have a spare one lying around…?

  73. Reb..this is what makes me think that Costello is aiming for a placement with Catch The Fire. Good grief..’the cup of salvation’. Maybe Costello meant the cup of salivation.

  74. Miglo, a lawyer needs to be able to understand the message from the other side in order to contradict it. I don’t understand yours. I guess I will fail.
    Min, it appears you get the concept of irony,

    Reb, if you find one on Ebay can you grab one for me too? I’ll bid up to $10 after I collect on Tony’s tip. Lucky Secret was very good to me last Friday so I’ll be loading up this time.

  75. Min,

    I think Tip would be perfect as a pentecostal preacher. Let’s face it. Tip and Tony Abbott have been speaking “in tongues” since their election defeat, so they’re already partially qualified.

    I imagine Tip would relish the glory and adulation too…

    “Our father, Mister Speaker, Who Art in Heaven…”

  76. shaneinqld, on January 30th, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    Yep, according to Wikipedia you’re right, Shane.

    My information is from the Gideons bible I once borrowed out of my motel room (I didn’t think they would mind) 😉

    Exodus, Chapter 20, verse 13 Thou Shalt Not Murder.

    It’s The New King James’ Bible (and therefore Protestant – I was brought up Church of England, so wouldn’t have seen your Catholic blasphemy! 😀

  77. Miglo, a lawyer needs to be able to understand the message from the other side in order to contradict it. I don’t understand yours. I guess I will fail. (James).

    Well I guess you will.

  78. Just had another look at Obama’s inauguration speech….

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=tX-8j0WaXiI&feature=dir

    Can you believe that religious nut job is leader of the free world?

  79. However, James the Americans have something called separation of church and state hence the reason that there is no mention of church in the American constitution.

    Our Consitution is but a legal document much like any contract of law.

    I think that someone said that you were studying law..how goes it with Constitutional Law? [Apologies if I mis-read].

    Anyway..about time for a real Constitution in my opinion, something a little better than just a statement of contract between the states/colonies.

  80. You read correctly. I start in a few weeks, the day after I get hitched. Don’t worry, I’ll wag the first week.

    Agree on the new Constitution, though god help us trying to get agreement on the wording!!!

  81. Oh and can I get that email address again? I keep losing it. 😦

  82. James if you are going to wag the 1st week, make sure that you contact the lecturers to obtain the notes. Plus make sure that you have yourself slotted into tutorial sessions.

  83. Moi? I am at min underscore kelpie at yahoo dot com dot au.

  84. James of North Melbourne, on January 30th, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    That was a pun, James? “though god help us”? 🙂

    On the matter of marriage (with due respect to our resident counsellor {spelling correct, pun intended}, Min 😉 )

    The Minister and I have been married for 40 years, couldn’t live without her and love her dearly – but she can drive me up the wall (very pedantic – a book-keeper by trade – and disposition),,,

    …however, her attention to detail has contributed massively our marriage and to me personally… 😉

    … James, its all about mutual respect – good passion may turn to good love…but respect maintains relationships…

    …when I was at work, we always gave, “about to be marrieds”, a jar and a bag of peas…

    …and told ’em…

    …in the first year of marriage – every time you “jig a jig” put a pea in the jar – after the first year take a pea out – no matter how long you are married, you’ll never empty the jar… 😆

    As for “wagging” the first week of college – I just told my 17 yo g/son (who had the same plan!), the first week in any training course is like the first ten minutes in a good movie – miss the beginning and you spend the rest of the time trying to figure out what’s going on – go to the orientation! That’s an order! Granda!

    BTW good luck – law is a favourite subject of mine – it will definitely improve your posts – 😆

  85. Reminds me of the couple at the restaurant studying the menu. Says one to the other,

    “Darling, which of us doesn’t like anchovies?”

  86. The proferred argument concerned the elements of genocide, one being the intent and the other being the act(s); and a selection of a degree and location for intent being specific degree of intent and subjective location of intent versus other degrees (with other thresholds) of intent and other locations (objective or imputed) for intent. That strategy was chosen to forestall revealing that, subjectively, there was an intention, as a matter of policy, only to accept certain overt physical acts as evidence of both intent and act of genocide, and a willingness to accept the evidence of those accused of other acts, which might also be genocide or evidence of a genocidal pattern, that their motivations (and hence intentions) for other acts were as described by them unchallenged. Quadrant wars, gotta love em.

  87. The US has interpreted their First Amendment to the constitution as meaning a separation between church and state, which is why their private schools receive no public funding.

    The High Court in Australia in 1981, ruled that Australia has no separation of church and state, and enormous amounts of taxpayer funding continues to be poured into private, religious schools and tax exemptions for charitable institutions.

    Liberal and Labor are both pretty quiet on the whole issue, it’s almost never publicly acknowledged, govts seem to want the public to believe (and many do) that we exist as a secular society.

    Come on the republic and hopefully a change in the constitution to enable a true separation.

    I think that religious belief should be a private matter for the home or place of worship and does not belong in the public domain.

  88. James;

    Obama:
    “God given promise that all are equal.”
    “God calls us to face an uncertain destiny.”
    “God’s grace upon us.”
    “God bless you and God bless the United States of America.”

    Costello:
    “I can’t think of a more important thing to be doing than to Unite in Prayer on this,”
    “And I bring you special greetings to each and every one of you that is there today and is praying for our nation standing in prayer on its behalf for it and for all of our people.”

    “the first sermon was ever preached on Australian soil by the chaplain that came out with the first fleet. The chaplain took as his text a verse from the Psalms, and he preached a sermon on these words. “What shall I render to the lord for all his benefits to me?” Course the benefits that he was preaching about was the coming of the First fleet to Australia, the landing and the establishment of the new country.”

    Obama briefly mentioned the founding of America in the revolution and the words that were spoken at that time, not one mention of God or religion, yet Costello emphasises the religious aspect of the taking of Australia with no mention of the Aboriginals or their spirituality.

    .”..we can still see the benefits of God to us in this country.”
    “what shall I render to the Lord for all of his benefits to me” goes on to say “I will take the cup of salvation and call upon the name of the Lord.”

    …and on and on, steeping the Christian religious dogmatic into just about every sentence and going as far as to say the whole of society would collapse into anarchy if the Christian religion were to be curbed in this country and only the Godly (Christian) people of this country have direction.

    There is no comparison to what Costello said (even if it was in a public forum to a fundamentalist Christian group) and the mentions of God in Obama’s speech.

    ————————
    James, on January 30th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    Talk about throwing in as many strawmen as possible in one post?

    What we are talking about here is leaders or potential leaders bringing extreme religious beliefs to their leadership. Absolutely none of those things you mention are to be banned or bar anyone from those positions as long as their religion or beliefs are not foisted onto others or exclude others.

    What is scary about Costello, and it is in his speech, is that his belief does exclude others yet he was one step from becoming the leader of this country. He is also closely tied to Christian groups that want political power so as to change the laws and constitution of this country to become more strictly Christian. This is what the religious right in NSW attempted to do and quite openly stated their intention was to change the constitution to bring in strict Christian tenets and to outlaw things like homosexuality and abortion.

    That goes beyond “God bless you and the USA.”

  89. Adrian, Obama was addressing the nation (and I guess the world), Costello was addressing a prayer group.

    Costello was in power for 11 years and no-one has proffered any evidence that his religious beliefs dictated his political decisions. In fact, the “evidence” given in this blog suggests the opposite.

  90. …….and my strawmen post was to illustrate that to seek to deny someone the opportunity to represent constituents in parliament based on their religious beliefs is utterly undemocratic, racist, and most of all contemptuous. He believes in God. Good luck to him. He has articulated some religious beliefs in addressing a prayer group. So effing what. Justin Madden was a footballer and is now a Cabinet Minister in Victoria. Can you imagine some of the ra ra he would have gone on with in the footy change rooms? Imagine the language! You do know that we are all equal and that equality does actually extend to Christians?

  91. That last argument is just another strawman James, sorry.

    If Justin Madden were to carry on tomorrow in a public meeting as he MAY HAVE (have no idea how he actually behaved) carried on in a locker room I suggest that he would very quickly no longer be sports ministers or in any other government position.

    Costello on the other hand has revealed he has strong links to some of the more extreme religious groups who make no secret of the fact they want to influence the Australian political landscape by any means possible, which includes recruiting politicians to their cause or using them for their cause. Costello as Treasurer had little say in those areas that are influenced by religion, whereas Howard did (as did Abbott), and he did allow his religion to influence not only his decision on Iraq but in other areas as well.

    As Costello never became PM because Howard stymied him, we will never know how far Costello would have taken his deep religious belief and link to some of the more radical Christian groups in this country, but going on what he has been saying since losing office, I gather as the leader of this country it is more probable than not his belief and ties to these groups would have influenced his leadership.

    Is Steve Fielding not allowing religion to influence his support or opposition to government bills, and if he ever became leader of the country would he eschew his deep religious beliefs to make the necessary secular decisions for the country? Of course he wouldn’t.

  92. Is it me, or does there seem to be a (admittedly tenuous) link between Liberal voters and church goers, while ALP types seem to question religious beliefs?

    In other words neo-libs are religious and don’t like “state” intervention ’cause the Deity rules.

    While the left side of politics believe more in a state run society and religion is a personal belief…

    …or something like that?

  93. I voted Liberal three out of the last four elections and I’m far from religious!

    I haven’t a clue who I will vote for next time as they have not settled on a name yet.

  94. Must be the “circles” I move in…and some people are coy about discussing religion and politics…

    …I reckon I could see you conducting the odd sacrifice or two… 😀

  95. Adrian et al. It was always a worry to me that Costello seemed to have no problems with prayers for himself aka ‘The Annointed One’ prior to the last election and then more recently more prayers.

    To me this indicates a fair amount of egotism, that he accepted being ‘annointed’.

  96. I can tell you in the last NSW State election I desperately wanted to vote the Labor government out, but when I saw the Four Corners piece on the radical religious right element of the opposition and then researched into how they had by hook and crook taken over that party, there was no way I could ever vote for them. This became even more entrenched when I read what they quite openly wanted to change in the NSW constitution and how they would get this past the people in plebiscites/referendums.

    Some of these people are the ones Costello is associating with and one of their up and rising young guns (Alex Hawke) moved to the federal Liberal party after screwing the NSW Liberal party.

  97. Min, on January 31st, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    Yes, Custard seems to believe in the concept of The Divine Right of Kings – and yet he’s a Republican – mixed, messages, metaphors?

    He is a lawyer, maybe he’s confused? He was as the Treasurer – once found $10 billion, amazing! :wow:

  98. “god it the subject from which people who have nothing left choose to talk about.
    Tony Abbott often talks about god then behind closed doors eats a baby or two.I heard T-boss goes to church and has found god.”aqua

    This is my favourite ever comment of yours aqua.

    FYI, I haven’t set foot in a church, or interestingly worn a tie, since I left Catholic boarding school 17 years ago. It may seem a detrimental self-imposition, but I never intend to do either again if I can help it.

    For all of my anti-religious “zeal” I echo Legion’s sentiment; each to their own. I have no wish to impose my views on others (perhaps contrary to what you may think james). This is an open forum for expression (IMHO), I don’t walk around spruiking hostile anti-religious spite in public, I’m not even tempted to, but bring spirituality to my front door (uninvited) & I may air my personal preferences.

    Kids are way too maleable to indoctrinate with the supernatural. FFS I still have every word from Andrew Lloyd Weber’s “Cats” imprinted meticulously in the dank (dank & dark) recesses of my rotten brainbox.

  99. Tboss I’ll swap you TS Elliot’s Cats for the Phantom of the Opera.

    And TB yep..most lawyers are confused.

    Must choof as hubby has that look..I need to be fed.

  100. Starlight Express?…(hides).

  101. Thanks T-boss

    ——–
    Lol Min
    # Must choof as hubby has that look..I need to be fed.

    your comment (cracks me up, visually)

  102. James

    My interpretation of the Ten Commandments was a synical exercise to show what a hypocrite Mr Costello is.

    He claims to be a Christian ( of which I am one) and rejoices in the ability to live a Christian life with all of its values and beliefs.

    Yet in his political life where he is paid handsomely for the rest of his life, his actions were in complete contradiction to his preaching at this gathering and the laws handed down by the religion he is apprently so eager to embrace when it suits his needs.

    That is the point of hypocrisy I was trying to make. You either live by the religiong you eblieve in or you do not. A typical Sunday church goer with the nasty streak for the rest of the week.

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