GAY! (General Assembly, Yay!)

Last week the General Assembly of the UN had a declaration that called for full equality regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity. 66 nations – led by European and South American countries – supported the declaration.

There was an opposing declaration which was supported by the Organisation of the Islamic Conference and the Vatican which gained the support of around 60 nations.

And have a guess which was the only western country to not support the equality decaration? That’s right – the USA.

Just another example I guess of how I hate all americans.

joni (thanks to Lavatus Prodeo for the details)

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43 Responses

  1. I note that Ireland and Italy (predominately Catholic populations)voted for the declaration. What would the Joseph Ratzinger say?

    On the other hand, China is nowhere to be found. Seems as though China still adheres to the “three nos”: no approval, no disapproval, and no promotion.

    Not surprised that the Islamic nations voted the way they did. The current, dominant interpretations of the Koran see homosexuality in a poor light. That’s not to say there are some verses which can be seen as sympathetic.

  2. “Just another example I guess of how I hate all americans.”

    Joni

    You’re obviously angry and frustrated by the American stance yet, I doubt very much that ‘hate ‘extends to all Americans. They’d also have to have a large gay population.

    Just out of curiosity, how many blogocrats are gay? It would be interesting to know and exactly what their take is on ‘gay rights’. Also, it would be interesting to find out the issues that gay people face, especially throughout their formative years, home life etc. I can’t imagine just how hard it must be for many.

  3. John Mc,

    I was being cheeky – because sparta always says that we hate all Americans when we criticise the Bush Admin.

  4. I should have known, it seemed too extreme for something you’d usually post. LOL Baiting Sparta! I should have known.

    Bloody septic tanks!

  5. John McP:

    “Also, it would be interesting to find out the issues that gay people face, especially throughout their formative years, home life etc. I can’t imagine just how hard it must be for many.”

    I’ve written about my own personal experience in the past.

    It wasn’t pleasant.

    Today, I am what would be considered “straight-acting” and “straight-looking”. Quite cute too if I don’t mind sayng so myself.

    However it always amuses when people assume that I’m hetrosexual. I was in Myers the other day looking at watches and explained to the girl at the counter that I was looking at buying one for my partner. “Maybe your wife would like something like this…” she suggested.

    “I don’t think he would somehow” I replied.

    They’re even more PC in the USA where American companies no longer use the term “partner” but instead “significant other”

    which personally I think is really admirable. It illustrates that relationships are not just based on gender or sexuality, but there are other types of dependent relationships like a “carer”.

    What does give me the shits is the term “sexual preference”.

    I’m pleased to see that the UN use the more accurate term “sexual orientation”.

    Sexuality is not “a preference!”

    “Preference” is something I get offered when flying overseas “would you prefer chicken or beef?”

    – Preference is the process of making a selection based on one’s taste for something over another thing.

    -Sexuality (and thus sexual orientation) is considerably more innate, is something that many people don;t have control over, which is precisely why suicide rates and depression are considerably higher amongst gays and lesbians.

    If it was a simple matter of “choice” or “preference” they (and people like me) would simply choose to be straight.

    Life would be so much easier that way.

    In conclusion, why would someone choose to be treated as a second class citizen in a world which predominantly caters for hetrosexuals?

  6. The only problem that I have with gays is when certain persons are tardy in answering my emails.

    My experience is limited and I hope not to cause offence but a friend of mine’s son is the way he was born. My youngest daughter was ‘born’ a vegetarian. Am thinking that is similar.

    Is this right?

  7. min

    I am duly admonished – again!

    I love the email christmas card, I just have to get around to sending my reply.

    😦

  8. And what’s wrong with me sending a Chrissy snow scene with the accompanying music being Judy Garland’s Come on let’s get happy. Was thinking that the music was only semi-religious plus non-denominational.

  9. Min, I’ve been a bit slow with our response also…will send you a picture of the girls with the metre long bon bon or cracker…or balistic missile…LOL!

  10. John @ 2.

    There are a couple of gay “activists’ here in tasmania, one being Rodney Croome wh has achieved a lot to end discrimination agains gays and lesbians and create a more tolerant and accepting societies.

    And contrary to popular belief tasmania is actually one of (if not the) most gay-friendly places I’ve ever lived. Violence against gays and lesbians si unheard of – in comparison to say Sydney where it is rife.

    However my only criticism of “gay activists” is that they can tend to become “career gay activists” constantly blathering on about how we’re all downtrodden and discriminated against.

    Frankly, it’s bollocks. Aside from some areas of government discrimination (which are in the process of being addressed) I don’t think I’ve ever been discriminated in a personal situation, but certainly at a government level under Howard and the Liberals most definitely “yes” latrgely due to their pandering to the religious “right”

    I suppose…

  11. “a metre long bon-bon?”

    Now that would bring tears to your eyes….

  12. I mentioned on another thread (where I was a bit touchy about a possible gay slur) that the boyf and myself had a bit of abuse last week for walking hand in hand across Pyrmont Bridge.

    I do not get it frequently – but it happens a lot more to the more “flamboyant” of my friends.

  13. If someone wants to hold hands with their beloved why should one cop abuse. Maybe jealousy, maybe these people should spend more time holding hands with their own partners. My Mum and Dad always held hands into their 80’s.

    And also in certain sections of our society one cops abuse for having another race partner (my grandie is 1/4 Torres Strait Islander).

  14. I meant the thing that two people pull until it explodes…oh boy another opening.

  15. I actually took some teens to task on the train the other day for saying “That is so gay’ (as in stupid, dumb etc) and told them I found it offensive.

    They looked a little bemused until I suggested they wouldn’t like me to refer to something as “that is so teen” in the same manner. Not sure it will stop them doing it but hopefully it made them think a little bit.

  16. They looked a little bemused

    You’re lucky they didn’t tell you to f**k off and mind your own business. Seriously.

  17. Reb

    “-Sexuality (and thus sexual orientation) is considerably more innate, is something that many people don;t have control over, which is precisely why suicide rates and depression are considerably higher amongst gays and lesbians.”

    I think this is an important point to address. Maybe someone can enlighten me in the area of mental health amongst gays and lesbians?

    Societal factors are often ignored or overlooked in cases of suicide for example. I’m sure a gay or lesbian teenager who’s parents, relatives and friends are to some degree homo-phobic would feel immense pressure and confusion.

    Gay and lesbian people, it should be remembered factor into suicide rates for sure.

    Depression, suicide link ‘simplistic’

    http://news.smh.com.au/national/depression-suicide-link-simplistic-20081202-6ozu.html

    Blaming male suicide on mental health issues and depression is “too simplistic”, says one of the nation’s new men’s health ambassadors.

    Societal factors such as job loss or relationship failure also play a major role and should not be overlooked in efforts to curb the nation’s suicide rate, says Sydney-based Professor John Macdonald.”

  18. This is interesting, is there any medical or scientific basis that supports ‘gender theory’?, I’m under the impression there is.

    Pope denounces ‘gender theory’
    http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24836472-5006003,00.html
    “POPE Benedict XVI has denounced gender theory, warning that it blurs the distinction between male and female and could thus lead to the “self-destruction” of the human race.

    When the Roman Catholic Church defends God’s Creation, “it does not only defend the earth, water and the air … but (it) also protects man from his own destruction”, the Pope said in his end-of-year speech to the Vatican hierarchy today.

    Gender theory, which originated in the United States, explores sexual orientation, the roles assigned by society to individuals according to their gender and how people perceive their biological identity.

    The Catholic Church has repeatedly spoken out against gender theory, which gay and transgender advocacy groups promote as a key to understanding and tolerance. “

  19. Good grief John McP..what on earth does that mean.

    ~Gender theory, which originated in the United States, explores sexual orientation, the roles assigned by society to individuals according to their gender and how people perceive their biological identity.

    #The roles assigned by society..according to their gender. Yes..boy babies are played with more often and girl babies have more verbal input.

    #Gender identity. It seems to me that gay males are blokes and gay ladies are girls. I believe that ‘gender confusion’ is an issue aside from being gay.

    The above written with a great deal of trepidation, for fear of boring the pants off gay friends who have been listening to endless repeats of theories for decades nay centuries.

  20. Polly @ 15.

    Thanks PTO for sticking up for “our team.” I once heard a guy use that term “that is so gay” in the boardroom having drinks after work one day, and it just made me feel like a lesser human being and just cringe.

    I’ve also chastised the CEO of my present empoyer for allowing other employees to make comparable statements by email go unchecked.

    I explained to him, that if you don’t condemn it, then by implication you endorse it. He was simply too busy and preoccupied with business issues to comprehend the implications, and was subseuqtently very understanding of my concerns.

    Fortunately he is very gay friendly and issued a company-wide statement accordingly.

    As they say, “the only thing necessary for evil to prevail is for good men (and women) to do nothing.

    Sometimes we have to take a stand.

  21. …never had a problem with gays, sreb, my Dad was a thailor… 😉

    Just testing your thenthivityevydgdf Gawd that’s hard to type…I
    reckon its like race, or religion or colour – if your nice your nice if your not – yer like sreb, 😆 just jokin’ ol
    ‘ mate!

    F’rinstance we live opposite a houseful of Catholic nuns…and we have always been friends (theycome and go in the service) our particular friend is called Gemma and at 70yo she is a human dynamo and a lovely person…we are agnostics and it bothers some of the nuns but most are fine…

  22. Firstly, just so no pc police misconstrue the motive for what I am about to say, it may help if you know that among the close family and friends who I will be sharing Christmas dinner with will be my sister and her girlfriend of about a year – and I am very happy about it.

    The word gay used to mean something completely different. Once, of course, if you were gay, you were happy. Now, while you may or may not be happy, you are certainly homosexual. This is justmerely an example of the natural evolution of our language.

    Now the word is taking on another meaning again. If something is described as gay by a certain demographic – teens usually – it is bad or stupid. Those teens on the train were not behaving insultingly to homosexuals – they were merely using a new version of an old word.

  23. *justmerely*

  24. From what my nephew tells me the way his peers use the word is a derogatory form of gay as homosexual, not an opposite or new slant that is often used by youth in language manipulation.

  25. Those kids on the train weren’t the first to be lambasted for using gay in this way. Nelson Muntz was accused of being ‘hurtful’ for the same thing. (Have a look at some of the comments while you’re there.)

  26. Tony and Adrian:

    I believe that the modern use of the term “oh, that’s so gay” is both derogatory and maligning gay people.

    It’s disappointing. But like other terms of phrase in popular culture they will just pass over time.

    On my way home from work, I see many teenagers of either gender embrace each other without any form of self-concious that would’ve encountered responses of ‘fag’ “homo” or whatever, when I was a teenager.

    The fact that this type of compassionate behaviour towards one another amongst teenagers today irrespective of gender, without scorn or abuse, gives me a great sense of joy and hope for the future.

  27. …and your point is?

    Just proves the word is a derogatory against homosexuals and not just as new version of the word as you averred. That homosexuals in the comments found it funny in that Simpsons episode should not be surprising considering what The Simpsons is all about.

  28. TB @ 21

    was that a tailor? Or a sailor with a lisp?

    I once met a very obliging young talior in Chiang Mai once… but that’s another story….

  29. I am regularly privy to use of the word in both contexts, more often than not with a derogatory overtone though. I definitely recognise a parallel with Tony’s comment & an evolution of the language.

    I also agree that you’re lucky (PTO) that they didn’t tell you to f@ck off; not that I endorse that for a second, just that we inhabit the real world, not the ideal world, & “teenagers” often don’t take kindly to their sensibilities being pricked. Of course this shouldn’t stop you from venting your spleen & I applaud your obdurate nature for doing so.

    I don’t really comprehend how anyone can be so aghast at the choice of partner that others make. A choice which has no bearing upon anyone but themselves & poses no threat…except to established religious doctrine.

  30. No Adrian. It proves some people will say it’s derogatory, and some won’t. Nothing more, nothing less. It’s a matter of opinion.

  31. Then it’s in the context.

  32. 28.

    Oh shit reb, I spent quite a bit of time in Chiang Mai when in the Navy, and some time in Chiang Rai when I got the opportunity of more than two days off.

    OT and going to sound weird and the story is too long to repeat here now, but we once saw Jesus floating down the street in Chiang Rai.

  33. reb@33

    Bwahahahahahaha…you will pay dearly for your irreverence in the long run. The inferno beckons my friend.

  34. “OT and going to sound weird and the story is too long to repeat here now, but we once saw Jesus floating down the street in Chiang Rai”

    Did it come with sound effects?

    As I recall Chiand Rai is very close to the Golden Triangle. Who would have thought Jesus ‘floating down a street’ when his best trick was ‘walking on water’. Now that’s versatile!

  35. “Who would have thought Jesus ‘floating down a street’ when his best trick was ‘walking on water’.”N5

    Open to personal interpretation, but I’ve always thought that his best trick was duping millions of people for thousands of years into believing that he was “immaculately(impossibly) conceived” & had in fact “risen from the dead” so that they could lead a life of innocent debauchery & then recant upon their deathbeds to ascend to Teh Sky Kingdom.

    Having said that, the acid in Chiang Rai must be superior to what we could get in Adelaide through the 90’s.

  36. “I’ve always thought that his best trick was duping millions of people for thousands of years ”

    Actually, that particular trick isn’t down to Jesus but to those who use his name ‘in vain’. If only he knew about pyramid selling and the resulting commissions.

    Then again, being the Son of God, one would have thought he would know everything. Now and in the Future.

    Does anyone smell a rat?

  37. “Then again, being the Son of God, one would have thought he would know everything. Now and in the Future.”N5

    I think it’s called “Selective Omnipotence” with a human penchant for self aggrandisement & the added bonus of cattle control through the Ages.

  38. Very astute N5. Yes the ‘Jesus’ we saw in long white flowing robes apparently floating down the street did indeed have a link to the produce of the Golden Triangle, which Chiang Rai is next to.

  39. Min@19 My interpretation was in relation to trans-gender. Many believe that people , for example, who claim to be a female trapped in a male body and vice versa is simply a lifestyle choice.

    I’m sure that there are a number of studies that indicate that sexual orientation isn’t always a matter of choice and in some cases neither is gender identity.

    Here’s an interesting story, back in the 1990’s an Army recruit who had real trouble in raising his aggression for training purposes went for a medical and they discovered he had the internal apparatus of a female, ovaries etc. He also had elevated levels of estrogen.

  40. Hello John. It’s the good old nature versus nurture argument. I should imagine that there is the same variety in the gay community as there is in all communities. Some gays may indeed believe that they are born in the body of the wrong sex. However, from studies these people do not consider themselves gay.

    I am thinking of 3 young people who were school friends of my children. Two of the young blokes were typical male, basketball playing types..typical popular kids. They came out in their early 20’s. The other young bloke never identified with other males and to his mother’s concern would rather be playing dress ups with the girls.

    Studies seem to indicate that there is a strong element of hereditary, for example twin studies, that most gay people can identify a blood relative who is gay or one that is likely to have been gay. Of course the anti-gay movement puts forward the argument that this is nurture rather than nature. I myself have a gay cousin who the family has sadly lost contact with and it is highly likely that his great uncle was gay..no nurture there as great uncle passed prior to my cousin’s birth, but a good indication that it is nature.

  41. “Thanks PTO for sticking up for “our team.” I once heard a guy use that term “that is so gay” in the boardroom having drinks after work one day, and it just made me feel like a lesser human being and just cringe.”

    I’m not even on ‘the team’ but I still find it offensive and derogatory.

    “You’re lucky they didn’t tell you to f**k off and mind your own business. Seriously.”

    Quite possibly Tony, but I hardly see that as reason to ignore something that is highly offensive. It is also quite amazing what teens will accept (even from a stranger) if it is said in a manner that is reasonable, friendly and non-abusive.

  42. I’m a (non-practicing) Catholic and hetero-sexual and I can’t swallow this.
    Okay, so the Pope is acknowledging the gay community this X-Mas, what I really don’t is the hypocrisy. For years they covered for pedophile priests who preyed on mostly young boys – and this has been rife for years. And in no way do I compare homo-sexuals with sexual predators.

    Sexual deviants such as rapists,child molesters/pedophiles, people smugglers in the sex industry etc pose the real threat.

    http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24841087-5001021,00.html

    OPENLY gay Australian Greens leader Bob Brown has joined the world-wide chorus of condemnation directed at Pope Benedict XVI, after the Catholic leader suggested homosexuality was as much a threat to the survival of the human race as climate change.

    In his end-of-year speech at the Vatican on Monday, the Pope said gender theory blurred the distinction between male and female, and he called for “an ecology of the human being” to protect mankind “from self-destruction”.

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