Obama Vs McCain, down to the wire…

Despite the polls, Republican John McCain remains confident of a win in the forthcoming US presidential elections – declaring that “Mac is Back” at a recent rally in Pennsylvania.

“I’ve been in a lot of campaigns, I know when momentum is there. We’re going to win Pennsylvania, we’re going to win this election,” Senator McCain said.

“I sense it, I feel it, I know it.

“I say again my friends, we’re going to win here. We’ve got two days, knock on doors, with your help we can win. We need you to volunteer, we need a new direction and we have to fight for it.

“My friends – the Mac is Back.”

The Mac may well be back, but does he have what it takes to get over the line?

This election is significant because it is the first time in U.S. history that two sitting senators will run against each other for president, and because it is the first time an African American is a presidential nominee for a major party.

This is probably the most important US election since the 1960’s and the outcome will undoubtedly shape America’s standing in the global community, for better or worse, for many decades to come.

Pundits are divided, with some declaring that Obama’s ratings indicating a landslide win for Obama, while others argue that the “race issue” will become apparent at the polls at believe that McCain shouldn’t be shrugged off just yet.

With less than forty-eight hours to go, it’s going to be interesting!

Who do you think will win?

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55 Responses

  1. I reckon it’ll be an Obamaslide!

  2. McCain is franticly pulling his defunct, flacid todger if he reckons he’s back…not to mention stubbornly ignoring a weight of data against him.
    Still, it wouldn’t be a good look if he was to concede 2 days before the election so I guess he’s doing what little he can to put some sauce on the shitsandwich he’s about to gormandise.

    I expect an Obamaslide but am too superstitious about the power of the simpleton vote in the US to be too cocky & rule out any chance of a GOP victory.
    It will be a relief if/when Obama gets over the line; then I can get on with criticising him as I don’t really see the US fundamentally changing its arrogant approach to international relations.

  3. HD:

    “I don’t really see the US fundamentally changing its arrogant approach to international relations”

    I’m not no sure. Obama has made noises about how the US’s standing in the global community has taken a pounding, and that their ways of strutting the world stage like the world’s sheriff while ignoring the conerns of other nations has affected its reputation badly.

    McCain on the other hand, would represent a continuation of the Bush Administration and would commence bombing Iran as soon as possible.

  4. “I’m not no sure. Obama has made noises about how the US’s standing in the global community has taken a pounding”reb

    I agree that the “noises” Obama has been making are very much along the lines of what I’d like to hear from the US. To even recognise, as he appears to, the folly of recent (& not so recent) US foreign policy attrocities is a welcome revelation in itself.
    However, I think the “God’s own country” mentality runs deep & the money & power invested in the dangerous status quo in the US will be nigh on impossible to budge.
    I fear despite the best of intentions his hands are tied; the actual differences between the Dem’s & the GOP (aside from the moral red herrings) are cosmetic.
    That said, I hope I’m wrong. The “do as we say not as we do” approach of the US & its’ tendency to instigate diplomacy through a “we’ve got the biggest stick” mindset must end.

    I hope Obama craps all over the GOP, if only to enforce the electoral repudiation of the last 8 years of the vacuous Village Idiot & his sinister neo-con puppet masters.

  5. My friends, the Mac has got an empty sack.

  6. I am tentatively pencilling in an Obama win. But then I’m the sort of person who 2 minutes before the final siren and 40 points ahead nudged hubby and asked, Do you think that we’ll win?

    From my own point of view, I have some admiration for McCain and the race that he has run with the exception of chosing Palin, or should I say allowing Palin to be chosen for him by the far right faction of GOP. It’s an equivalent of a Howard- moment, allowing someone to talk Howard into running on a joint-ticket with Costello. Bad choice, reeks of desperation.

    I am predicting New Mexico to go to Obama likewise Georgia. I never feel confident about Florida.

  7. But then I’m the sort of person who 2 minutes before the final siren and 40 points ahead nudged hubby and asked, Do you think that we’ll win?

    With confidence like that Min, you must be a St George supporter 😉 (where is IATW BTW?)

  8. “I have some admiration for McCain and the race that he has run with the exception of chosing Palin,”min

    I can certainly empathise with McCain too. I think he is the best of a horrible lot & has demonstrated his integrity in the past. Alas, as you’ve noted, the choice of Palin to me infers that the less desirable fundie elements of the party would have at least “behind the scenes” influence on any McCain presidency & calls into question (again) who really runs the show.

  9. Thanks Dave. I am doing nicely with Collingwood.

  10. HD. Very true. If McCain can’t chose his own VP then in spite of his constant references to his heroic efforts during the Vietnam War (ie he was caught and became a POW) that this reinforces the idea that McCain will be/would have been a weak president.

    I hope that everyone has had a quick listen to the Palin talk with the Canadian version of the Chasers. She thought that she was talking to the President of France Sarkozy. You know, up until this I was thinking that people were being too harsh (irrespective of my own opinion). But, sadly..it would seem that people were being far too generous. Good grief, the woman was gasping and gushing!!

  11. From an outsider’s perspective, Obama seems the best choice for the rest of the World but Americans should vote for who they see is best for them – that’s what democracy and sovereignty is all about.

    I’d like to think that enough Americans can get over their racial and anti-muslim (not that Obama is a Muslim but that doesn’t stop ignorance and prejudice getting in the way) sentiments and vote for the person that think will govern the country the best.I’m not saying that doing this will mean Obama would be a clear winner but it would remove irrelevant and incorrect factors from the equation.

    I used to think that perspectives on gun control, abortion etc are irrelevant considerations for a Presidential campaign; I now have a different view it’s just that I disagree with the weight that these factors play on much of middle America’s (and I suspect a fair chunk of middle Australia’s) voting patterns – still, I guess people prefer to have someone governing them who is like minded. Unfortunately, the dumb shit that they voted in in the last two elections is representative of that 😉 .

    Anyway, I guess I’m hoping for an Obabma win. I’d have preferred if it was Hillary on the ticket with Obama as Veep but Obama is still a mile better than the Republican alternative and especially his Veep.

  12. Min

    If McCain can’t chose his own VP then in spite of his constant references to his heroic efforts during the Vietnam War (ie he was caught and became a POW)

    Did McCain actually do anything heroic (serious question, I don’t know his war record)? It always amuses me that people who survive capture in war and spend time as a POW, or survive a mine collapse for that matter, are called heroes – what is so heroic about simply surviving? I’m sure that he had a hard time and for that I have compassion but it is hardly heroic. John Kerry on the other hand did show heroism and the Republicans in their gutter politics cast doubt on this (in favour of a President who was pretty much a draft dodger!)

  13. Dave55

    I’m always sceptical of politicians that like to be photographed wearing leather bomber jackets.

    Remember how ridiculous the rodent looked when he wore one to visit the troops..

    All this “nam vet” macho rambo stuff is for hollywood only, not a quality to be valued in a future world leader me thinks..

  14. McCain’s record is anything but good and he was a very poor pilot by any standard.

    1 – Student pilot McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while practicing landings.
    2 – Pilot McCain III lost another plane two years later while he was deployed in the Mediterranean. ”Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral.
    3 – Pilot McCain III lost number three in 1965 when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. McCain III radioed, ”I’ve got a flameout” and ejected at one thousand feet. The plane crashed to the ground and McCain III floated to a deserted beach.
    4 – Combat pilot McCain III lost his fourth on July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk combat pilot. While waiting his turn for takeoff, an
    accidently fired rocket slammed into McCain Jr’s. plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft,
    and threatened to sink the ship.
    5 – Combat pilot McCain III lost a fifth plane three months later (Oct. 26, 1967) during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam when he failed to avoid a surface-to-air missile. McCain III ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi. After being pulled from the lake by the North
    Vietnamese, McCain III was bayoneted in his left foot and shoulder and struck by a rifle butt. He was then transported to the Hoa Lo Prison, also known as the Hanoi Hilton.

    In the Hanoi Hilton after being slapped and denied medical treatment McCain III brokedown and told his interrogators he would give them any information they wanted.

    It was then that the communist learned that McCain III’s father was Admiral John S. McCain, the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific. The Vietnamese rushed McCain III to Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable for U.S. POWs.
    By Nov. 9, 1967 (U.S. government documents) Hanoi press was quoting McCain III describing his mission including the number of aircraft in his flight, information about rescue ships, and the order of which U.S. attacks would take place.
    While in still in North Vietnam’s military hospital, McCain III gave an interview to prominent French television reporter Francois Chalais for a series titled Life in Hanoi. Chalais’ interview with McCain III was aired in Europe.
    Vietnamese doctors operated on McCain’s Leg in early December, 1967. Six weeks after he was shot down, McCain was taken from the hospital and delivered to a U.S. POW camp,

    All this is on the record and a lot more.

    Others that were in the same prison as McCain didn’t breakdown for weeks, some died through the injuries they received through torture for not cooperating.

    And do you reckon there aren’t a whole bunch of ex-Vietnam Vets out there that are really really pissed at McCain, and this shows it:

    McCain III, the son of famous admirals, a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals.
    “McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat,” explains Bill Bell, a veteran of Vietnam and former chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs — the first official U.S. representative in Vietnam since the 1973 fall of Saigon.
    “Since McCain got 28 medals,” Bell continued, “that equals to about a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys — grunts on the ground — who had more than 7,000 hours in combat and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I’m sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down.”

    No matter which way you look at it, McCain’s was not a distinguished military career.

  15. Just me..and in a nut shell. If Obama is elected then he will be one of the best Presidents that the USA has ever had, if for the only reason that unless he does it well then it will be at least another 50 years before another African-American is elected President. This responsibility will all be on Obama’s skinny little shoulders (suffer Schwarzenegger).

  16. McCain a war hero? Lol! Time has left him behind.

  17. I don’t know whether McCain was heroic or not. To me, heroism is a bit the same as religion, it’s what is in one’s heart and soul.

    To his credit McCain as a POW did not go home when he had the opportunity to do so but chose to follow the criteria last in, last released even though he could have got priority being an Admiral’s son.

    But that’s a long time ago. Who is the current hero? For example the likelihood of threat of assassination.

    McCain – maybe 12%
    Obama – say 45%+

    That is one should not underestimate the courage shown by Obama plus that of his wife Michelle.

  18. “Did McCain actually do anything heroic (serious question, I don’t know his war record)?”Dave55

    McCain’s father & grandfather were both admirals. Smells more like an offset of the establishment than heroism from where I sit.

  19. Even if he was (or wasn’t) a “war hero” what sort of relevance does that have in terms of being a contendor for the US Presidency, other than indicating a propensity for “war mongering?”

    Personally, I’d rather see a President, that has diplomacy skills rather than a “war hero”.

  20. I reckon Obama, but I’m not counting out middle-american racism and/or religion-based prejudice…

    McCain is one of the better Republican Senators I have researched. Admittedly he is pretty damn gun-ho in the area of foreign policy, but in other areas (those pushed by “social conservatives” a.k.a. the “religious right”) he is alot more level-headed. Probably would have had a decent run for his money had he not caved into said religious right and selected Palin as his VP candidate. Joe Lieberman would have been bad news for the “moral base” the Republican’s usually shoot for but would have made a much better candidate over Palin once the economic “fit hit the shan”.

    Obama on the other hand is pretty damn good for America, but America is centre-right to rabid-right in political leaning, so without the economic death-spiral would have gone down in flames had the media lacked another politician to rip to shreds. Not through fault of his own, simply through what sells papers/news-cycles. McCain & Lieberman = old & boring. Palin on the other hand invited the hounds…

  21. reb @ 2:39

    My sentiments exactly.

  22. If Barack Obama is elected President of the United States on Wednesday 5th October, 2008 (Oz time), I promise that, after 30 years, I will give up smoking.

    Seriously.

    I will.

  23. After 30 years of smoking, giving up, might just be the thing that kills you!!

  24. Ross: It can be done. I am now 5 months quit. Mind you there is not a day where I wouldn’t love for someone to say…here it is, it is a Longbeach and it won’t hurt you one little bit.

    Nope after smoking for a total of 40 years, am not prepared to give up giving up.

    Dave55 re Hillary. Am thinking that Hillary’s health program, that is the program that she thinks is very very important to the country’s future will be the pay-off for her and old Bill’s support of Obama. I was 1/2 expecting this announcement to happen during the campaign but maybe old Bill especially was sent to the naughty corner and no announcements until after the election.

  25. BT @ 20

    I reckon Obama, but I’m not counting out middle-american racism and/or religion-based prejudice…

    I second that!

  26. Agree absolutely lekhni and BT. This is of course the unknown factor. But them I am hopeful..that Americans are now far more used to seeing a brown face as representative of authority.

    Compare this with 20 years ago when a black American had to speak slowly, keep his/her head bowed and repeat often Yes Massa..and these were the movie stars with just a couple of rare exceptions.

    But since then we have had Will Smith, Oprah (most popular woman), Colin Powell, Morgan Freeman. [the progression from slave, servant, sidekick through to president is far more complicated but the above are the examples of ‘strong’ African Americans are the ones that comes immediately to mind].

  27. HD, I now know of two people you despise: John McCain and Chad Cornes.

    McCain I can agree on.

  28. Miglo.

    I would muck out McCain, with a radiant smile, long before I’d lower myself to tolerate lithper.
    So I have to take McCain off of the list of despised, perhaps add Warren in his stead?
    Now if it were between lithper & Cheney or Rumsfeld then I would be approaching a moral dilemma.

  29. HD, your dilemna will come in a few years when an old and dilapidated Chad is delisted by Port and picked up by the fruit-tingles in the pre-season draft.

    They have a history of doing that.

  30. Just checked pollster.com on the electoral college votes.

    They have:
    – Obama with 264 strong and 47 lean
    – McCain with 129 strong and 13 lean.

    So according to them, it’s gonna be a Democrat president.

  31. “HD, your dilemna will come in a few years when an old and dilapidated Chad is delisted by Port and picked up by the fruit-tingles in the pre-season draft.
    They have a history of doing that.”miglo

    LOL, I hate to say it but you may have a good point there. At the moment they are probably engaged in shady deals to sign Wayne “felon” Carey (again) & Ben “cocaine” Cousins or initiating talks with Alan “witness to murder” Didak.
    Still, they’d rather finish bottom than absorb lithper into the team.
    Alan Scott will haunt Choco & Port for years to come from beyond the grave with ghostly admonitions of …”I toooold you sooooo”.

    Fruit Tingles, hehe.

  32. joni@7:27am

    Any large late shift back to McCain doesn’t seem to be materialising thus far. Pretty close to endgame now!

  33. Hi joni and re:

    Just checked pollster.com on the electoral college votes.

    They have:
    – Obama with 264 strong and 47 lean
    – McCain with 129 strong and 13 lean.

    Any chance of a best-bet blog? I am a bit of a pessimist and thinking around the early 300’s.

  34. FFS Ross, can you please provide a warning before directing us sensitive types over to Bolt’s blog…!

    I have to don the garlic necklace and crucifix first before heading over there!!

  35. I found you lurking over there Mr. Stunt. I’ll be interested to see whether or not they’ll allow my reply to you through.

  36. OK that’s it.

    Joni, stuntreb you must make a rule that nobody is allowed to make a link to Bolt, Ackerman, Shanahan or Blair without an explicit warning in capitals and coloured red. E.g.

    WARNING

    The following link goes to a site that maybe dangerous to your sanity or any food you may have eaten in the last six hours.

  37. I read this on guitar forum this morning:

    “I was watching a news program and playing at the same time and this song was the results. Why the title? It’s in the story behind the song Prayin’ For Healing For My Country at
    http://………

    If you don’t want to listen – the story is;

    I was playing while watching a news program about the election.(USA) A politician being interviewed was lying about his parties candidate to try and sway those voters that don’t check on things to vote for his parties candidate. It made me think how much the country needs Christian politicians, and how much the country needs prayer and Gods intervention in our government. This song was the results of that agonizing over our government, and the need for Godly representatives.”

    To me, it’s that kind of thinking which is one of America’s biggest problems.

  38. HD, I confess.

    I don’t think Bolt picked up the obsequious sarcasm that was dripping from my post.

  39. Someone commented on Larvatus Prodeo the other day that left-leaning blogs such as LP seem to favour linking to stories and articles in The Australian.

    I get the same feeling and wonder why we give oxygen to NEWS Ltd publications (I shudder at calling them newspapers) and their patently obvious bias.

  40. Human Dividend | November 4, 2008 at 1:57 pm..just as a support I tried a little non-offensive thingy on Bolt’s blog and as of 2.24pm haven’t been able to get through. But perhaps it’s a half day holiday.

    Admitted..this was scarey.

  41. “I get the same feeling and wonder why we give oxygen to NEWS Ltd publications (I shudder at calling them newspapers) and their patently obvious bias”sans

    While I largely agree sans, especially re giving them oxygen, for me it’s important to try & understand the mindset of my “ideological opposites” (for want of a better term).
    I usually come away thinking “holy shit, they really do have that backwards” or “fuck me, they’re truly deranged!” but generally I only link to them as an example of “this is so ridiculous I can’t believe they’re even saying it”.
    If you were to just read here (or similar sites) you could mistakenly feel that there aren’t that many unhinged conservative blogophiles wallowing in their own ideological filth in much greater numbers than you will see here where they are a total rarity.

    min. They’ve actually been letting some of my stuff through today so there’s every chance that someone as non-offensive as your charming self will get through eventually. If not then I really am confused as to how their moderators function!

  42. Has anyone tried to make sense of Gerard “I’m not biased but everyone else is” Henderson opinion piece in the SMH today?

    He is trying so hard to say that it is just so unfair, and ahy doesn’t anyone like the conservatives anymore.

  43. “ahy doesn’t anyone like the conservatives anymore.”joni

    WTF? Do you mean to say that someone liked ’em to begin with?

  44. Now, Joni, don’t tempt me! I haven’t clicked on a Henderson piece in the SMH of aeons (or is that eons?).

  45. Well, if it’s a fact that people start voting at midnight in a small town in New Hampshire according to an episode of ‘The West Wing’ (I’ve now watched TWW three times on DVD), then the first votes are about to be cast.

  46. I’ve just come back from the company’s Cup lunch, and I’m a bit pissed … but … for the record, may I say, in all seriousness, that Andrew Bolt is one of the lowest lumps of worthless sh*t-sucking scum that has ever crawled from the primordial swamp of single-celled organisms to drag it’s hairy knuckles across the tar-pits of the earth.

    Apparently, the “left” (whatever that means), according to Bolt and his garbage ilk are great “haters”.

    To loathe Bolt and his clusterf*ck of banjo-pluckin’ cretins is not be a “hater”. It’s to be a human being possessed of a brain. (And look, even half-tanked, I can spell and punctuate proper. Which is more than one can say of Bolt and his fawning fart of freaks*)

    *A “fart of freaks” – a collective of conservative denialists, cf. a “murder of crows”, et al.

  47. You don’t like Bolt do you, Ross? 😉

    “A Murder of Crows” was a second rate movie.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0133985/

    (Yeah, I know ‘murder of crows’ is the equivalent of ‘mob of sheep’.)

    Geez … I wish I was pissed at the moment but but 25″ to go before the Merlot soothes my dry, dry throat.

  48. A McCain supporter Ten news a few minutes ago:

    “Germany wanted a change and they got Hitler.”

    The US education system forgot to teach her about right-wing totalitarianism based on race and religion.

  49. You don’t like Bolt do you, Ross? – Sans Blog

    Au contraire, Sans, I’m buying the dear fellow a box of chocs for Christmas – A delightful selection of crunchy frog and larks vomit clusters.

  50. Ross@51

    LOL, if you’re after donations I’d be happy to oblige.

    BTW, enjoy your last cigarettes mate!

  51. I think you should include a generous quantity of spring surprise as well, Ross.

  52. Temptation is hard to resist. It’s human nature. At school many years past some comedian put a Do Not Open sign on a box, and we hid and watched everybody who gazed upon the box sneak over to peek inside.

    Posters here are playing with us: I dare you to have a look at Bolt’s site. It’s like the box with nothing in it.

    Dare me as much as you want, but this little black duck aint taking a look.

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