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		<title>By: I Am The Walrus</title>
		<link>http://blogocrats.wordpress.com/2009/06/07/celebrities-in-the-closet/#comment-44424</link>
		<dc:creator>I Am The Walrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 07:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh…………!

When I logged on this morning and I saw the title of this thread “Celebrities in the Closet”  I didn’t bother wandering in as I thought it had something to do with David Carradine being found in a broom closet. 

Now I see that it’s just another “Gay” thread

Of course it turns out that he was not practicing a bizarre sex act, involving strangulation, at all .........according to his family................. but was actually in the midst of uncovering a secretive kung fu society. Because of this they murdered him.

Although..................I do wonder how they knew he was hiding in the broom closet........!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh…………!</p>
<p>When I logged on this morning and I saw the title of this thread “Celebrities in the Closet”  I didn’t bother wandering in as I thought it had something to do with David Carradine being found in a broom closet. </p>
<p>Now I see that it’s just another “Gay” thread</p>
<p>Of course it turns out that he was not practicing a bizarre sex act, involving strangulation, at all &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;according to his family&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. but was actually in the midst of uncovering a secretive kung fu society. Because of this they murdered him.</p>
<p>Although&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;I do wonder how they knew he was hiding in the broom closet&#8230;&#8230;..!</p>
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		<title>By: reb</title>
		<link>http://blogocrats.wordpress.com/2009/06/07/celebrities-in-the-closet/#comment-44359</link>
		<dc:creator>reb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that link Loth.

I couldn&#039;t agree more with this extract:

&lt;blockquote&gt;

The hatred fomented by the Right against LGBT people translates into legislation that harms individuals, covertly sanctions hate crimes and denies a section of the population civil rights. 

Closeted elected officials who vote against LGBT causes deserve to be outed as traitors to themselves and to their party, as hypocrites, as thieves who steal seats by hiding a side of themselves for expediency and their own future, not caring they throw a segment of the population–and a portion of their souls–under the bus.

Our sexuality should be the least remarkable part of ourselves. 

So what about who you bang as long as they are of age and consenting? Instead politicians should be concerned with legislating not a false sense of “traditional values,” but laws that support and uphold the words of the Constitution, rather than the pseudo-Judeo-Christian opaque icing conservatives have slathered over the words of our Founding Fathers.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that link Loth.</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more with this extract:</p>
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<p>The hatred fomented by the Right against LGBT people translates into legislation that harms individuals, covertly sanctions hate crimes and denies a section of the population civil rights. </p>
<p>Closeted elected officials who vote against LGBT causes deserve to be outed as traitors to themselves and to their party, as hypocrites, as thieves who steal seats by hiding a side of themselves for expediency and their own future, not caring they throw a segment of the population–and a portion of their souls–under the bus.</p>
<p>Our sexuality should be the least remarkable part of ourselves. </p>
<p>So what about who you bang as long as they are of age and consenting? Instead politicians should be concerned with legislating not a false sense of “traditional values,” but laws that support and uphold the words of the Constitution, rather than the pseudo-Judeo-Christian opaque icing conservatives have slathered over the words of our Founding Fathers.</p>
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		<title>By: Daphon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daphon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting link, Lotharsson.  Thanks for the heads-up, mate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting link, Lotharsson.  Thanks for the heads-up, mate.</p>
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		<title>By: Lotharsson</title>
		<link>http://blogocrats.wordpress.com/2009/06/07/celebrities-in-the-closet/#comment-44354</link>
		<dc:creator>Lotharsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about &lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/08/fdl-movie-night-outrage-with-mike-rogers/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;closeted gay politicians who garner support through anti-gay stances&lt;/a&gt;?  Seems like a somewhat different case...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about <a href="http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/08/fdl-movie-night-outrage-with-mike-rogers/" rel="nofollow">closeted gay politicians who garner support through anti-gay stances</a>?  Seems like a somewhat different case&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: joni</title>
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		<dc:creator>joni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do not call her reb - the poor lady has been through enough (BTW - I updated the Tuesday thread with a real photo of me!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do not call her reb &#8211; the poor lady has been through enough (BTW &#8211; I updated the Tuesday thread with a real photo of me!)</p>
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		<title>By: reb</title>
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		<dc:creator>reb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a difference a day makes..

Gordon Ramsay si now denying that he called Tracy Grimshaw a lesbian and is having his lawyers examine the recordings from the Food &amp; Wine Show.

Meanwhile Tracy Grimshaw has denied that she is a lesbian through gritted teeth at the beginning of &quot;A Current Affair&quot; last night.

Poor Trace is apparently seething over Ramsay&#039;s attack.

She called him &quot;narcissistic&quot; and &quot;a bully&quot;

He did or didn&#039;t call her a &quot;lesbian&quot; and make aspersions about her appearance resembling pig like features.

Personally, I think the &quot;pig thing&quot; is a bit much. Who wouldn&#039;t be offended by something like that?

I feel a bit sorry for Tracy. She&#039;s been shoved from pillar to post on Channel Nine, and used to have such a natural beauty.

Now she just seems to harbour a whole lot of bitterness and resentment.

Maybe I should give her a call and see how she&#039;s doing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a difference a day makes..</p>
<p>Gordon Ramsay si now denying that he called Tracy Grimshaw a lesbian and is having his lawyers examine the recordings from the Food &amp; Wine Show.</p>
<p>Meanwhile Tracy Grimshaw has denied that she is a lesbian through gritted teeth at the beginning of &#8220;A Current Affair&#8221; last night.</p>
<p>Poor Trace is apparently seething over Ramsay&#8217;s attack.</p>
<p>She called him &#8220;narcissistic&#8221; and &#8220;a bully&#8221;</p>
<p>He did or didn&#8217;t call her a &#8220;lesbian&#8221; and make aspersions about her appearance resembling pig like features.</p>
<p>Personally, I think the &#8220;pig thing&#8221; is a bit much. Who wouldn&#8217;t be offended by something like that?</p>
<p>I feel a bit sorry for Tracy. She&#8217;s been shoved from pillar to post on Channel Nine, and used to have such a natural beauty.</p>
<p>Now she just seems to harbour a whole lot of bitterness and resentment.</p>
<p>Maybe I should give her a call and see how she&#8217;s doing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TB Queensland</title>
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		<dc:creator>TB Queensland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 08:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just come back to this thread.

...and confess not reading &quot;all&quot; posts...

...I do hope that my remark was taken in the vein expressed ...

I think by  now most people posting on Blogocrats  know that I believe personal issues (beliefs, sexual orientation, politics etc.) are just that - personal - if you wish to make them known, so be it ... but it should not be forced ... 

... my original post was made as a ... well ... star ... simple  .. just to help my gay mates, sreb and joni ...

KL - top post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just come back to this thread.</p>
<p>&#8230;and confess not reading &#8220;all&#8221; posts&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;I do hope that my remark was taken in the vein expressed &#8230;</p>
<p>I think by  now most people posting on Blogocrats  know that I believe personal issues (beliefs, sexual orientation, politics etc.) are just that &#8211; personal &#8211; if you wish to make them known, so be it &#8230; but it should not be forced &#8230; </p>
<p>&#8230; my original post was made as a &#8230; well &#8230; star &#8230; simple  .. just to help my gay mates, sreb and joni &#8230;</p>
<p>KL &#8211; top post!</p>
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		<title>By: reb</title>
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		<dc:creator>reb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 07:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

The &quot;pearl necklace&quot; remark was a throw away attempt at humour that has (obviously) gone completely over your head.

As far as:

&lt;em&gt;If you weren’t making a direct connection between AIDS &amp; gay men – why bring it up?&lt;/em&gt;


As Dave55 mentions, in 1987, AIDS was like 99.9% a homosexual related disease. That&#039;s just a simple historical fact. It was also common knowledge that Liberace had a &quot;live-in&quot; male lover for some five years in the lead up to his death, but if you want to insist that he was heterosexual I&#039;m not going to argue.

&lt;em&gt;I answered your question (which was valid) it was your justifications for suspecting / insinuating certain people were gay that was bad.
&lt;/em&gt;

Where did I insinuate that certain gay people were bad?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>The &#8220;pearl necklace&#8221; remark was a throw away attempt at humour that has (obviously) gone completely over your head.</p>
<p>As far as:</p>
<p><em>If you weren’t making a direct connection between AIDS &amp; gay men – why bring it up?</em></p>
<p>As Dave55 mentions, in 1987, AIDS was like 99.9% a homosexual related disease. That&#8217;s just a simple historical fact. It was also common knowledge that Liberace had a &#8220;live-in&#8221; male lover for some five years in the lead up to his death, but if you want to insist that he was heterosexual I&#8217;m not going to argue.</p>
<p><em>I answered your question (which was valid) it was your justifications for suspecting / insinuating certain people were gay that was bad.<br />
</em></p>
<p>Where did I insinuate that certain gay people were bad?</p>
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		<title>By: B.Tolputt</title>
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		<dc:creator>B.Tolputt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 04:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@reb:&lt;/b&gt;
You are correct - &lt;i&gt;prissy&lt;/i&gt; was my word for you insinuating that because Ian Thorpe wears pearls and other &quot;metro-sexual&quot; accessories on occasion - any denial of his sexuality is suspect. Whatever you want to call it - you are applying your own negative stereotype onto someone to justify your desire to have them &quot;come out of the closet&quot;.

And you know exactly what I am getting at in regards to HIV/AIDS but want to play semantics. If you weren&#039;t making a direct connection between AIDS &amp; gay men - why bring it up?

I answered your question (which was valid) it was your justifications for suspecting / insinuating certain people were gay that was bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@reb:</b><br />
You are correct &#8211; <i>prissy</i> was my word for you insinuating that because Ian Thorpe wears pearls and other &#8220;metro-sexual&#8221; accessories on occasion &#8211; any denial of his sexuality is suspect. Whatever you want to call it &#8211; you are applying your own negative stereotype onto someone to justify your desire to have them &#8220;come out of the closet&#8221;.</p>
<p>And you know exactly what I am getting at in regards to HIV/AIDS but want to play semantics. If you weren&#8217;t making a direct connection between AIDS &amp; gay men &#8211; why bring it up?</p>
<p>I answered your question (which was valid) it was your justifications for suspecting / insinuating certain people were gay that was bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Min</title>
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		<dc:creator>Min</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tol re:  I’m not homosexual and yet the implication that being gay makes you effeminate or that AIDS/HIV is a gay disease is something that riles me up.

I agree..this is an example of what I meant by stereotypes.  

I am thinking of 3 kids who my eldest went to school with.  S* was a very good looking young bloke, school captain, champion basketballer and extremely popular with both boys and girls (especially).  W*, equally athletic was a little more quiet but still one of the popular kids.  B*&#039;s mum was very concerned about him as he preferred playing dressups with the girls (true).

You&#039;ve probably guessed it, S* and W* came out in their early 20&#039;s and B* is hetero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tol re:  I’m not homosexual and yet the implication that being gay makes you effeminate or that AIDS/HIV is a gay disease is something that riles me up.</p>
<p>I agree..this is an example of what I meant by stereotypes.  </p>
<p>I am thinking of 3 kids who my eldest went to school with.  S* was a very good looking young bloke, school captain, champion basketballer and extremely popular with both boys and girls (especially).  W*, equally athletic was a little more quiet but still one of the popular kids.  B*&#8217;s mum was very concerned about him as he preferred playing dressups with the girls (true).</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve probably guessed it, S* and W* came out in their early 20&#8217;s and B* is hetero.</p>
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